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Helen Meadors's avatar

NYT has lost its credibility. Cancellations abound.

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Linda Weide's avatar

Apparently oligarch owner does not need money. Losing all readers would be the best thing to happen, because it would make the paper totally irrelevant. That is what needs to happen. I love that the Harris campaign is circumventing the MSM and showing them that if they are going to act like this they can be replaced by her campaign with more democratic means. A democracy needs a free press, not the toys of obscenely wealthy people used as vehicles to protect their tax status, focused on clicks and likes to maintain their relevance. Waiting for any good journalists left to leave their publications and form their own press. That would be a big statement. Meantime, Kamala and the Coach press on. Viva la Kamala!

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Barbara Rengstorff's avatar

My personal opinion is that the Harris/Walz campaign is going after the younger voters. I belong to a Democratic club but almost all of us are retired. We briefly had a new member in her 30’s who said that our communications by email weren’t good for the younger people. They communicate through Instagram, Twitter (whatever it is now), and other electronic ways. We’re still behind the times but we have excelled at writing postcards. Vote Blue!

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Ann Anderson's avatar

Younger ppl don't read the NYT, WashPo, Politico etc. The Harris campaign knows that, reaches out via the other ways. Low-tech has its place, tho. We're postcard writing like crazy at our house.

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Linda Weide's avatar

That is why they invited influencers to the DNC and set them up near the floor, in comfort, instead of MSM. MSM is not happy about that, but their behavior is making them irrelevant on the good end, and dangerous on the bad end to this campaign. One of my friends here in Germany, is writing cards to mail to the US from here for the election, even though it costs a lot and mail from here is slow. She is also working our events to recruit voters, and is part of our Democrats Abroad Project 2025 book club and all of this while working full time and fighting cancer. She amazes me.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

❤️What a remarkable freedom-fighter. Give her a hug for me if it is appropriate.

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A.J. Madison's avatar

Good for Kamala reaching out to influencers, who have large audiences who actually care about what is said. I've completely given up on the Lamestream media as any credible source of political information. Maybe some hard news , like the odd tornado in Texas, or a Hurricane in the Bahamas. Everything else, I get my news from uncorrupted sources. Cancelled my NYT sub when the Sulzbergie temper tantrum news broke. And WaPo let me subscribe for a year for next to nothing, but the Post also went off the deep end. Their editorial board was all fascist reactionaries anyway. And Hugh Hewitt is an *sshole.

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Bill Lawrence's avatar

That's why I gave up emailing my granddaughters. I text them. That is why it is smart to give interviews to influencers who have creditability with millions of followers .

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Linda Weide's avatar

My 19-year-old rarely checks her email, that is, she does not read her messages except for those that have to do with offers from Depop, a "vintage" clothing site, where people offer clothing for sale, and sell clothing that they don't want any more. If she sees something from me she will generally ignore it. However, if I send her something through Signal, which is the main way our family communicates since we live across continents, she will perhaps check it out. Perhaps not. It is all about the sender. You can bet her boyfriend does not get this disregard at all. My daughter does have some Whats App groups, because even though she knows her dad and I do not feel it is a good idea to use anything Meta, to the point that her former sitter, who now works for Meta is not allowed to know anything about her online habits, per my husband. In any case, I know she also uses Telegraph. She has a very European set of friends, because she is at University in Europe, and that influences what she uses. I know she does not use Instagram, but most of her friends do. I think the Democrats should be advertising on the dating sites like Hinge, Tinder, Bumble, Match and start talking about Project 2025 and college loans, birth control, abortion, and environment.

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Katy Griffith's avatar

tRump has been using social media since 2016! We all thought it was crazy that someone would actually campaign via Twitter. When he was President he made some of the most crude statements any president had ever made & the MSM just used it for clicks & never questioned his irrational behavior. Now they say “Well he’s an entertainer “- WTF? I just laugh when the right wing media goes after the MSM saying that MSM ignores them & the evangelical GOP

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Donnie Dump is good for clicks. Apparently a brilliant prosecutor and politician who speaks in complete sentences is giving them the vapors. The relentless pursuit of money and faux relevance is not good for society. I like the idea of some of the sensible columnists and reporters finding a way to create a new form of press in this country.

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Koko in AZ's avatar

I love "Viva la Kamala"!

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Runfastandwin's avatar

I made some bumper stickers, !Quiero Kamala!

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

I only keep the digi rag so I can sign "A Paid Subscriber" to my angry and pointed letters to the fuckwad "journalists" .

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Linda Weide's avatar

My life quality has improved greatly since the only time I know what they are saying as a non-paying, non-subscriber is when one of my Substack writers references them. Otherwise I don't have the stress of their idiocy, and the idiotic responses that I was getting back from the worst of toxic millennial males known as NYT know-nothing editors.

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Patrick Daniels aka Cromulent1's avatar

Excellent Linda, Sla’inte!!

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

They follow Ross Douchehat, and so many are "sock puppet" accounts, (all one guy posting, on multiple accounts,) backing up his venom, agreeing with himself. The NYT could block that behavior but they don't hire tech-savvy people, on purpose, I suspect.

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Kate's avatar

They let them do it to pad the comment section and activity metrics too.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Oh that figures, well observed.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Omg, Douchehat!!!! My first introduction to him was an opinion piece he wrote making the case against abortion. It was awful, made me want to scream at him.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

^^^^ if they do not fulfil their purpose, that is to say, performing honest journalism, to factually inform us of reality, not just twisting the truth to pretend "both sides are the same!" They do not deserve to exist. We have enough yellow press in the Murdoch stable of tabloid blood-suckers. There is no need to sink to that level. It breaks my heart to see my personal favorite, the paper that bravely gve us the "Pentagon Papers" at great risk to themselves, decend into right-wing stenographers for the deplorable Magaites.

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Eileen's avatar

When I canceled my online subscription to the New York Times, I put in the comments explicit reasons why I was leaving. It was due to their flagrant negative coverage of Dems and normalizing Trump every day. That’s not reporting reality.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

I wrote a real flamer when I ditched them in 2016. Didn’t do any good except saving me money. I was down to only reading Paul Krugman.

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Donna Kazo's avatar

although I miss their Games, I do not regret cancelling them and WaPo. In every box where I could write a comment, I used the word "disgusting" as often as possible. This was long before Joe gracefully and strategically stepped aside. Oddly, it was because of the dumpster fire in a cheap suit I subscribed to both rags! To support them!

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Barb Z.'s avatar

You can still play lots of the games, they just don't save your stats.

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

You can subscribe to just the games for like $40 a year. And you get access to almost 80 years of Crossword archives.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

And they are counting on that.There have been reports that is why the news side has slipped into excrement. They make money on their games, and anyway, you are still supporting their bad behavior.

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Debbie Shapiro's avatar

I’ve never subscribed to NYT and so far I play their games daily without subscribing.

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Linda Weide's avatar

We did too.

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DAVID ALAMEDA's avatar

I cancelled mine Eileen style, also!

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Lynn Van Haren's avatar

I said as much to the woman who answered the phone. I apologized by saying that I knew she wasn’t responsible for my ire towards The Times, but she said the phone calls are recorded & the powers that be listen to them, so they would hear my message

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Anna Bolique's avatar

I did the same thing. Colorfully and thoroughly.

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Mary Virginia Hughes's avatar

The same here. Now I could get that expensuve subscription fot $1 a week but it's not even worth that.

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Kathy J's avatar

I get a free subscription to the NYT because a friend in NYC has subscribed for decades, maybe since the 1970s. The funny part is that I still don't read it. I play the games and hear most of what they post from Jeff and other Substacks. I don't have time for that nonsense. So, yes, it's free. I do not support them, and I ignore most of them.

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Gently, Jack Jones's avatar

I just finally did the same. I hope they are hearing it from the majority of those who have cancelled!

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

The irony. In the aftermath of January 6, 2021, there was a surge of subscribers to the post and the times. Hell the Times rode the Trump term and bragged about how they were growing their subscribers.

Now, they are fleeing in droves, and they want to get that Trumpian magic back to juice their subscriber numbers, but they can't figure out why it's not working.

Fucking clowns. Fire Douthat, Stephens, Klein, and French from their opeds, and shitcan MAGA Haberman and it might return to decency, but I doubt it.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 You speak the truth. If they covered the news, accurately, instead of running the "Joe is old! pure propaganda, and rarely informing the public of his many accomplishments, placing them "under the fold" which is to say burying them. One reader on WaPo commented "Where is the economic report, the numbers came out today?" She reported back she had to seach for them, and even then, they were hard to find..

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JOE P's avatar

Boycott the NY Times and their fence sitting bullshit. I used to think it was good for wrapping fish but no longer, its a cancer factory that can only spew bullshit and call it ‘media’. What happens when theres no ‘news fit to print’ ? (not that you would be able to recognize it) You become an empty building…hey isn’t that where the ‘times’ used to be ? Now it’s a Chipotle.

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Barbara Rengstorff's avatar

Haha - not a Chipotle - a Halloween store. 🤪

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

That makes sense, as it is full of clowns!

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HI2thDoc's avatar

We know NYT and CNN are in the tank, but geez, the AP? politifact? The Daily Beast? I won't say anything about TMZ. Gossip is not fact. Bunch of liars gonna lie, I guess

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Carrie Duncan's avatar

Didn't MSM become that way because a majority trusted them to have top of mind the good of the country? Every new outrageous headline in a stream of headlines that are in themselves lies (the AP "Fact Check" sweet baby jebus) hammers home that the "free and fair press" continues to favor just one candidate, one party. They blithely legitimize and boost in myriad ways an ongoing existential threat to democracy, then lie that they don't, to an audience sick unto death of lies. They have enabled and unleashed a monster and are ludicrous enough to whine when readers show a preference to not willingly attend their paid rage-stoking engine masquerading as legitimate journalism. Lord, the baiting, the trolling, the gaslighting. How masochistic do they think readers are? Their reach depends on us, we make them mainstream, and though I've cancelled to make the point, it's not enough. Their reach depends on readers and access. We could just not comply. Subjects such as Madame President could not comply. That we should support in any way their reach or not laugh outright at the term "paper of record" given their betrayal of country is peak hubris. I'm delighted the Harris campaign is so creatively circumventing them.

Really no words for how much I love this Substack, and this day's in particular. Thank you, Jeff.

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DR Darke's avatar

I'm just too pissed off at the NY TIMES and WASHINGTON POST to want anything other than to tear them away from their corporate masters.

Of course, the NY TIMES also cut *Hitler* a lot of slack, so maybe they're nostalgic for Fascism?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yes, and their Moscow corespondent lied about Stalin and the Holodomor.They rarely have balanced coverage giving the right-wing far too much slack.

"Duranty was The New York Times' man in Moscow, as the line went, with a cushy apartment in which to entertain expatriates and a reputation as a leading authority on the Soviet Union. Duranty had staked his name on the idea that Josef Stalin was the strong leader the communist country needed. He is often credited with coining the term "Stalinism."

He wrote glowing reports of an autocrat's harsh plans for UkraineIn return, Duranty won rare interviews with Stalin and wrote glowingly about Stalin and his plans. The Pulitzer board cited his "dispassionate interpretive reporting" in awarding him a prize in 1932 for a series of reports the previous year. The first was a front-page article that started with the line: "Russia today cannot be judged by Western standards or interpreted in Western terms."It is worth being clear on what Stalin's plans, called "collectivization," led to: the deaths of millions of Ukrainians and more than a million Russians, according to credible estimates.

"Activists from the Communist Party locally and nationally went house to house in Ukrainian towns and villages, confiscating food," says the journalist and scholar Anne Applebaum, who has written extensively on the period. "They took wheat, they took grain, they took vegetables, they took livestock. They took everything that people had."She says Stalin used collectivization to crush any nationalist stirrings in Ukraine and to pay for his efforts to industrialize the Soviet Union. Communist Party officials had possible dissidents arrested, exiled and killed, especially professionals.

"It's thought that between 3 and 4 million people died" in Ukraine, she says.

By toeing the line, Duranty aided his careerDespite lingering suspicions over Duranty's motivations, Applebaum says she found no evidence the reporter was bribed or blackmailed by Russian agents. She also says he did not appear to be swayed by communism, though he was reportedly threatened against reflecting unwelcome truths.

Instead, Appelbaum says, Duranty simply toed the line because it was good for his career — excusing and rejecting the deadliness of Stalin's rule well past any moment of possible denial.

In 1933, the Welsh writer Gareth Jones reported and spoke publicly about the famine after interviewing ordinary Ukrainians while he wandered by foot for 40 miles. Jones, a former aide to former British Prime Minister David Lloyd George, had previously scored an interview with Adolf Hitler.

In March 1933, Duranty wrote in a Times story on page 13 that Jones possessed a "keen and active mind," but that the Welsh writer's interviews with people near Kharkiv represented "a rather inadequate cross-section of a big country." Duranty added he had sought to convince Jones otherwise but that "nothing could shake his conviction of impending doom." (Jones was killed under murky circumstances in Mongolia in 1935. His clash with Duranty inspired the 2019 movie Mr. Jones.)"

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/08/1097097620/new-york-times-pulitzer-ukraine-walter-duranty

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Excellent history lesson Natalie. Poor Ukraine has suffered mightily at the hands of Russia.

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Lori Marr's avatar

I cancelled my subscription back in the spring when they started piling on President Biden. I have no idea what happened at the New York Times, but I refuse to give them my money.

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Teresa's avatar

Absolutely. I cancelled mine a few months ago. Who needs 'em?

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Karen Barrett's avatar

That happened weeks ago. At least.

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Lynn Van Haren's avatar

Please call or email them to let them know why you are canceling

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Don A in Pennsultucky's avatar

Including mine.

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