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Geoff Anderson's avatar

Honestly, I do not. I think the debate isn't going to change a single mind, no matter how hard the orange tinged fuck-face face-plants, and that Biden could have a performance for the ages, any motion in the polls will be purely in the noise.

I am thoroughly depressed, and the (predictable) SCOTUS decisions are making me even more shabby than usual.

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Dee Whitman's avatar

One thing I try to remember (tho I too am depressed about this country's political landscape almost every waking hour): The nutcases account for less than 50% of the voting population -- some estimate them at 35% -- but they seem to be about 50%, in part bc (1) they're so loud; (2) social media + podcasts + hate radio + rightwing TV are ubiquitous, and (3) they have disproportionate power in the House.

I believe that Biden will win, ALTHOUGH WE MUST NOT BE OR BECOME COMPLACENT, and that we will then have a 25-year project of rebuilding and strengthening democratic norms.

I encourage everyone to do the following (and if anyone has other ideas, please add 'em): *****Join your local Dem chapter and do whatever they need you to do -- canvassing for down-ballot Dem candidates, voter-reg drives, rides on Election Day, whatever. *****Join MoveOn and Indivisible, and ask what you can do. *****Work with Postcards to Voters (or similar initiatives). And ask everyone you know to do all of the above.

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Lisa59's avatar

The Heritage Foundation created the Southern Economic Development Model during the Reagan Administration. They ran his Administration. The #1 goal is to keep Americans functionally illiterate. They have succeeded. Except it back fired on their own party. Dandy Andy there took 20 years to finish his degree. Project 2025 is SEDM. Check out www.epi.org. We are dealing with the functionally illiterate. Over 51% of American's education ends at the 6th grade level. They're winning in this department by underfunding our education system. Chattel America is on the ballot.

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Monnina's avatar

Grim but true. Needs to be more publicly acknowledged, then politically ameliorated. How about a new civilian version of the G.I.Bill ? Could be named the Joe B Bill.

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Lisa59's avatar

Standardized testing doesn't teach critical thinking skills. It's lazy. Schools are always chasing dollars instead of focusing on the task at hand. It's not their fault. It's decades of conditioning. The teachers I know hate it.

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Mary Hall's avatar

Hell, I am product of Catholic education in the 1960s and even the nuns taught us critical thinking, which frankly, kind of backfired on them when I began asking serious questions about the religious BS they were teaching for which there were no answers other than their default, "There are things you're not supposed to understand."

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Lisa59's avatar

I love that! ЁЯдг My husband said the same thing about his Catholic education.

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Monnina's avatar

Absolutely. Not so much an education as a by and for тАШnumbersтАЩ game. Family in education do what they can to mitigate where and when they can but they also hate it.

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Lisa59's avatar

I brought books to my niece's classroom about a teenage Holocaust survivor's story. That was in Florida. When I asked my niece what she learned on the subject, the answer was, not much. They read the books.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Yes, the teachers I know despise it

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Katy Griffith's avatar

The Christofascist party is pushing for тАЬschool vouchersтАЭ to provide some of the money it takes to send your kid to private (and mostly religious) schools. Supposedly they use a formula that takes what the school district spends on each child per year & then parents can apply for a voucher to help send their kid to a school in the district that your kid wants you to go to instead of the crappy public school that heтАЩs тАЬhaving crammed down his throatтАЭ ( a favorite saying of the dumb effers). Meanwhile the school then can decide whether or not your kid meets their standards before excepting your kid in their school. So basically itтАЩs helping the upper middle class & rich pay for their kids tuition with taxpayer money & the kids from poor public schools get less money & less education. This helps keep the elite in power by keeping the lower middle class & poor uneducated-just the way Donny ef-face says he likes. The GOP wants just white, rich men to be the only ones who have power & make all decisions

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Carrie Duncan's avatar

GREAT action list, thank you. тАФ I think Biden will win, too, but I also expect SO much fuckery around certifying and expect J6 was nothing to what's upcoming. If I'm wrong (please let me be wrong) and it is a trifecta WH/Senate/House blowout that makes the GOP more ridiculous with their every challenge, civic action will still have to be as daily as hygiene, or back asleep we fall like it's been for the last hundred years.

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Mike Hammer's avatar

To our horror it appears that most Americans feel the cost of groceries is more important than saving our democratic way of life.

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Nancy Potter's avatar

And meanwhile, their orange god proposes to increase tariffs either 10% or even more in order to replace income taxes. But I suppose when groceries costs 75% more under Trump in a couple of years, it will be Biden's fault.

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EFS's avatar

That is how they roll.

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Bonnie's avatar

Wait till the mass deportation fantasy translates into not just expensive food, but NO FOOD

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Robert R's avatar

No shit ,brother wait and see their reaction if Dolt 45 gets to run them around !Whoa ! I tried my best to stop that asshole fascist!BULLSHIT !you did nothing but bitch and moan now you get the rewards of your inaction ! ENJOY !ЁЯЦХЁЯШ╡тАНЁЯТл

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HI2thDoc's avatar

Commentators have said that there is still a small undecided group of voters who will be influenced by the debate. I sure hope people see for themselves that all the right wing media lying about Biden's age and acuity are all BS

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Cathy Carrozza's avatar

How can anyone paying attention be undecided? They must be deciding to vote or not!! I canтАЩt watch because I am more than sick to death of that orange face and voice!!

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HI2thDoc's avatar

Yes, his image and voice are aggravating, let alone his stupid mannerisms. I ask myself the same question, but have seen people who for some reason just cannot see the difference between the two candidates. Some go for the "I don't like either of them" and it makes me furious. The Founders probably did not anticipate this level of low information, low interest myopia when they set up the idea of choosing our own leaders.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Actually they did because only the rich, white, landowners could vote originally, because they didn't rust the ignorant rabble.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

You're right. They limited voting, and presumably those inalienable rights, to white males only. Women, enslaved people, Native Americans, were not given the privilege.

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

I have met some people who are in the тАЬhate both" crowd. They don't seem to understand that one of these two guys is gonna be president.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

The "hate both" folks are just not paying enough attention, have a serious cognition problem, or are playing with half a brain/deck, or all of the above. It shouldn't even be close in a sane population. It should be like 90%-10% Biden

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

The people I am aware of are snooty and arrogant types who think it's all way beneath them. I want to say to them: тАЬGuess what, I totally agree with you. With the exception of Washington and Lincoln, there has never been a politician worthy of being president of the United States.тАЭ

People who fit into this category include Trump's former aides and cabinet members who proclaim him unworthy to be president but will not endorse Biden either.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

People I've encountered who cannot seem to choose tend to be single-issue types and often susceptible to sound bite stuff like "the border" and "inflation."

For those Republicans, former Trump admin people, anyone who knows how bad he really is for our nation and have renounced him but cannot go the next step and endorse Biden, I say grow a spine and do what's best for America and the world. Sheesh.

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Robert R's avatar

TheyтАЩll proclaim I HAD A STATEMENT TO MAKE ! Well you made it howтАЩs it taste ЁЯСЕ youтАЩll be eating it for quite a while !ЁЯШ░not that fat fuuckfecesface freak show is gonna win ,but if he did тАж

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Bonnie's avatar

Yeah well wave bye bye then kids because guess whose lives are about to become generationally DISFIGURED and nobody will come to help.

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

Sheesh, indeed. As I said they are superior to the real world consequences of their behavior.

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Bonnie's avatar

ALL OF THEM WITCHES

ok, a bit dramatic but ALL OF THEM MUTHERFUCKERS

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Bonnie's avatar

THIS THIS THIS

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Mike Hammer's avatar

TheyтАЩre working with only half a brain.

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Cathy Carrozza's avatar

My Dad would have said тАШplaying with half a deck! Have a great afternoon!

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Bonnie's avatar

Is it the drugs?

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Bonnie's avatar

I'm serious.

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

Because they aren't really undecided. They know who they are going to vote for, and they are either coy about it, or they are lying.

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Bonnie's avatar

They had better be acting coy and not really that stupid

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Doc Blase''s avatar

If I had a dollar for every day I wondered about this, we could buy Tesla and fire Elbow Mush.

There can't be that many folks who have lived in a cave since 1945 and came out yesterday.

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Bonnie's avatar

I absolved myself of observing this debacle for revulsion of that orange Mangina and the sound of his narcissist rants. Can't do it! But Jesus is this fucker going to win? WTAF

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I agree, it you are sane and empathetic, it shouldn't be close. "Mangina" is great by the way.

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Geoff Anderson's avatar

If trump being duly convicted of 34 felonies moved the needle *maybe* 1/2 %, I think that no debate is going to matter

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HI2thDoc's avatar

True, if the polls are correct. But I am forever haunted by 2016, which showed Hilary ahead nationally by 4+ points, so in this case, it's the opposite effect for me. I am cautiously optimistic

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

We all have PTSD from that.

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Robert R's avatar

2016 is still the biggest fucken horror show morning of my 68 years of seeing horror shows ! It fucked my head up more than 9/11 in that I thought 9/11 was an old movie I woke up to ! ARRGHH!!ЁЯШдЁЯШаЁЯШаЁЯдпЁЯдм

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Lynn Van Haren's avatar

I agree. If President Biden wipes the floor with tRump, every conservative screech monkey will just yell тАЬRIGGED!тАЭ & Joe was тАЬjuicedтАЭ. WonтАЩt make one bit of difference ЁЯШЮ

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James Starr's avatar

they're already accusing biden of being hopped up on major drugs...Geeesh, they will assume things as true before it even starts

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Robert R's avatar

Hopefully Joe walks in and says sup fuckface then jams 5 Drs sworn drug test result in Shitheads mouth and says eat this motherfucker !ЁЯШЕЁЯШВЁЯдм

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Offense is their best defense.

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Nancy Potter's avatar

If Joe stumbles on even one word, it will be "proof" that he's completely lost it and is incapable of even making it to November.

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Martha's avatar

Right any gaffe made by frump will be denied, remember the perfect phone call, they don't care if it's on tape

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Robert R's avatar

ThatтАЩs why we must go on an all out blitz ,pull no punches ,kick them square in the balls and be unapologetic about it,make them wish they never heard of whatтАЩs that orange shitheads name ?OH yeah Fuckfacefeuherfakerfreakfoulfecesfraudster !ЁЯШд

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Patricia Williamson's avatar

It is all very depressing. We looked to the Supreme Court to save us, but instead they are leading us to the slaughter.

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