People in the heartland have real economic problems that the federal government has ignored. "People are putting their groceries on their credit card. No one is listening to anything else you say if you try to talk them out of their lived experiences with data points from some economists." Marie Glue…
People in the heartland have real economic problems that the federal government has ignored. "People are putting their groceries on their credit card. No one is listening to anything else you say if you try to talk them out of their lived experiences with data points from some economists." Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. Democratic congresswoman
So… they’re struggling to make ends meet and the answer is to elect a hate-mongering, racist, traitorous felon who tried to overthrow the government? Sorry, plenty of people who voted AGAINST giving our country over to a bunch of evil goons are also struggling to make ends meet. I watched with my own eyes how Trumpers laughed and shouted with glee the more vulgar and vengeful their Dear Leader got. They were salivating to hear him talk about people getting beaten, or to hear him talk about immigrants like they are sub-human. These “hard up” people smiled and cheered for the grossest, most disgusting rhetoric as they happily waved “Mass Deportation Now” signs. This idea that these either venomous or willfully ignorant fucks voted the embodiment of the seven deadly sins into office knowing full well who he is because they’re stressed (as though we aren’t!) is another fucking con. Masks are off, folks. No more excuses. And let me add- all of the Trumpers I know personally are well off and not struggling at all.
How many turd voters are charging groceries on credit cards bc of their truck pmt on a lifted F150 that cost $75,000+? The ins & gas must be a bitch. Make better financial decisions.
They did selective listening. When he said something unspeakably cruel, they said awww, he's not going to do that he's going to do this (slightly less cruel) thing. Stephen Miller was just announced as assistant policy director. The cruelty Trump promised has just been amped up to 15.
And you never did one stupid thing in your whole life? It's called trial and error and most of us have done it. Read the Robert Reich piece and see if most trump supporters are doing OK.
Is this snark? Because, yes, I’ve done so many stupid things in my life that I’ve lost count. However, I never did something stupid that would result in mass suffering, the destruction of democracy, the normalization of rape, theft, cruelty, greed, oppression, bigotry and the flouting of basic human decency. This was a choice between democracy and fascism, decency and amoral cruelty… are you excusing this? Are you excusing this as just a silly mistake? I really hope you’re joking.
no snark at all. I voted for Harris, knowing that there would be no guarantee that she would cease arms sales to Israel. It is highly probable that the genocide in Gaza will continue. And I voted for that. So that makes ME voting for probable genocide with complete deliberation. That's worse than voting for genocide by mistake.
It is very hard to be completely pure and avoid every single mistake in this world. Some people think since Trump is such a big liar, he's lying about his plans. I don't know if they're right. I hope he'll deport just a few thousand very dramatically and be done with it. After all, he can't deport them unless the country is willing to take them back. Mexico can send troops to the border and simply block deportation busses from mentoring. If an airplane full of deportees lands in a country in Central America, that government can simply order it to fly back where it came from. Trump's power is not unlimited.
It is not only highly probable that the genocide in Gaze will continue, it is guaranteed. In fact, with Netanyahu and his Kahanist thugs in charge the chance that there will be ANY Palestinians in Gaza left soon is slim to none. And the West Bank will be annexed very quickly. Your argument that you willingly voted for genocide by voting for Harris is absurd. She was the only chance that there might be some actual pushback against the Israelis. As a Jew, I say without hesitation that the current government of Israel is the greatest threat to the safety of Jews worldwide.
You can speculate all you want about what will or will not happen under Trump. Expect the worst. The original topic of our exchange was whether Trump voters voted for him because they were economically stressed or not, I said my piece. At this point, I can truly say that I forgive the Germans more than I will ever forgive American Trumpers for embracing evil, at least the Germans in the 30’s were experiencing real, crushing economic horrors and hardships. Americans during an economic upturn and the promise of real reforms offered by Harris willingly embraced the worst villainous waste of human flesh to ever darken the Oval Office. You want to make excuses for that? Have at it. It’s called “enabling”.
BTW, did you look at any of the three links I recommended? Or do you want to maintain your mind in the closed and shut position? Maybe a few atomic bombs would take out enough Trump voters so that we would never need to worry about them again.
I agree that she is the best chance for some pushback against Netanyahu, but I am not counting on it at all. The only thing I'm trying to enable is the Democrats being able to elect a president. Our college educated elites are just not going to attract enough votes.
I find your arguments and mindset so at odds with mine that I don’t really have anything more to say to you. You have used talking points such as -“elites” when Trump and Musk are the elites and Harris and Walz were not - in the sense you mean. You have refused to acknowledge that Trump voters have justified their repellent choice and that is THEIR responsibility. You are parroting a blame narrative from the media that always expects the Dems to satisfy these people who are at fault for their own ignorance and hate. Nothing I’m saying is getting through to you. I’m done with this
Do you plan to regain a majority by scolding people or by satisfying them? I just think that scolding will never work Most people don't think you have to be a billionaire to be an elite. I think about 10% of the country would qualify as elites and I think a majority of that 10% would vote Democratic. By definition, anyone who has been a governor or a state attorney general or a senator is in fact an elite person.
BTW, did you know that blue counties have a 70% of the national income and red counties have 30%? If you were lagging that far behind the elite blue counties, wouldn't you feel a bit deprived? Actually if the blue counties were willing to surrender 20% to the red counties to even things up, I think it would make a difference in how people felt.
We already "surrender" to the red states with our tax dollars. For what blue states send to the feds, we get back an average of about 70%. Red states get 100-120 percent. Haven't looked at those stats recently for actual percentages, but it's in the ball park. How the states use those funds is up to them. In AL, they built a new HS football stadium. That really feeds children, doesn't it! Most of the red states continue to block Medicaid expansion which could be a big help for the poor.
Tully, you are SO RIGHT! The poorest of the poor red states refuse federal funded poverty programs, feeding hungry people & kids. The refuse federally funded Medicaid programs to help people with medical care. But their stubborn shit-for-brains Congress reps & state officials want to "show the libs" by denying funded, fully. paid for programs. And their Congress people & state officials get reelected decade after decades.
Federal money is not returned to the states to use however they want. Every federal program is specifically regulated by Congress to be spent just the way Congress dictates. If federal funds built that football stadium, there should be a local news report that says that. If you give me a link proving that that is true, I'll be surprised. BTW, more and more red states are accepting the Medicare money.
Please read at least one of the three articles that I suggested. If you only want to read one, read the second one by Robert Reich, and you will understand the point of view that I share with Secretary Reich. Jeff keeps telling us how dumb trumps followers are, and now you want to say they perfectly understand everything about Trump.
It’s a curious thing considering, dairy and farm products have immigrants to thank for seeing these products in their stores and on their tables.
Most of construction companies that built the homes they live in have immigrants to thank… our labor force is comprised of legal and illegal immigrants, period!!! Wake the fuck up you fucking immigrant hating morons!!Did any of the miasma of MAGA morons, ever use the scrambled grey matter between their ears to justify getting rid of 1/3 to 1/2 of the labor in America? Or who’s going to pick up the slack?
Having just had appendicitis (yes you don’t need to be under 30 to get it) I waited 18 hours for surgery. I was in a very upscale suburban hospital. The membrane sack had opened so I had contamination. So I was on a drip of antibiotics an hour for four of them four hours between each one.
If frump’s wet dreams come true, I would have been dead. I was in pain terribly sick.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS DERANGED IDIOT DO THIS TO OUR COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO FIGHT HIM TOOTH AND NAIL. WE CANNOT LOSE TIME
WE NEED TO MAKE OUR PLAN.
HIS FOLLOWERS ARE LOSERS. THEIR POOR SND STUPID LIVES ARE THEIR OWN DOING. GROW UP SHIT HEADS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. EVEN IF STUPID HEAD DIES OF HIS OWN BAD HEALTH SECOND STUPID HEAD IS WORSE.
Terry, sorry to hear you had a health crisis. Strangely enough, I had an attack of an infected gallbladder in October and was in the hospital for two days on an IV antibiotic.
I truly believe that if Trump tries to fuck up healthcare more than it is already, he'll have 80% of the country on his back. If you are on Medicare, consider moving to Houston TX because we have some of the best Medicare hospitals in the country. I'm on Memorial Hermann Medicare advantage. For reasons that are way too long to describe I have been in the hospital six times since March 2023. No serious complaints.
The MAGA map and the opioid addiction map are pretty much the same. Billionaires have ruined the lives of many in rural America but between their churches, Sinclair Broadcasting stations and Fox News, and a 5th rate state education system, they have no clue. We really need to start an EDUCATION campaign, somehow, once the economy starts crashing under Trump.
That’s already been done Kathleen. The Dems also had a great solution for immigrants that RescumliCons rejected because it would look good for Joe. They refuse to be educated, they don’t accept fact. Jesus, you should be on to that by now!
No!!! There is no comprehensive economic plan for the flyover states. Obamacare gave everyone half-assed health care that is still unaffordable for most people, but there is no guarantee of job retraining for every single adult in the United States.
I agree that there was a good immigration plan that Trump torpedoed, but neither Biden nor Obama guaranteed job training to every American adult.
Turd wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. We already rank in a bad place as far as literacy, math, etc. At least we won't have a wealthy person to lead it. Last admin he had Betsy DeVos trying for four years to undermine education. BTW, Betsy De Vos's brother is Eric Prince.
For a year I had to live in strong maga territory. "Home schooling" was big. Both parents worked, so the kids rode their expensive dirt bikes all day. Half the kids who I'd say hi to at the mailbox, were bright, nice kids. The older kids, middle school aged, were rude and surely, and seemed dumb as a box of rocks.
I also use a cash back credit card for groceries. However, I don't think that's what the Democratic congresswoman meant. I think these people are paying interest on their groceries.
But “ the govt” was trying to pass anti-price gouging legislation that every GOP objected to. But they lied to their voters. And now the voters will continue to suffer. Just WAIT until medicare and veterans checks stop coming bc he puts in some incompetent hater or his billionaire says so.
🧨🧨🧨🧨 DON'T MISS THIS!!! 💥💥💥💥💥
People in the heartland have real economic problems that the federal government has ignored. "People are putting their groceries on their credit card. No one is listening to anything else you say if you try to talk them out of their lived experiences with data points from some economists." Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. Democratic congresswoman
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/08/us/politics/marie-gluesenkamp-perez-interview.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Robert Reich did a tour in 2015 where he saw Trumpism growing before his eyes.
https://robertreich.substack.com/p/the-root-of-trumpism
https://kathleenweber.substack.com/p/vanished-into-thin-air-where-did
So… they’re struggling to make ends meet and the answer is to elect a hate-mongering, racist, traitorous felon who tried to overthrow the government? Sorry, plenty of people who voted AGAINST giving our country over to a bunch of evil goons are also struggling to make ends meet. I watched with my own eyes how Trumpers laughed and shouted with glee the more vulgar and vengeful their Dear Leader got. They were salivating to hear him talk about people getting beaten, or to hear him talk about immigrants like they are sub-human. These “hard up” people smiled and cheered for the grossest, most disgusting rhetoric as they happily waved “Mass Deportation Now” signs. This idea that these either venomous or willfully ignorant fucks voted the embodiment of the seven deadly sins into office knowing full well who he is because they’re stressed (as though we aren’t!) is another fucking con. Masks are off, folks. No more excuses. And let me add- all of the Trumpers I know personally are well off and not struggling at all.
How many turd voters are charging groceries on credit cards bc of their truck pmt on a lifted F150 that cost $75,000+? The ins & gas must be a bitch. Make better financial decisions.
Yeah exactly this..😵💫
They did selective listening. When he said something unspeakably cruel, they said awww, he's not going to do that he's going to do this (slightly less cruel) thing. Stephen Miller was just announced as assistant policy director. The cruelty Trump promised has just been amped up to 15.
Here's an existential question: Is Stephen Miller the reincarnation of Heydrich or Goebbels? Or maybe Eichmann?
Hmmm.... all the worst slime parts of their essences crawled together and became Miller.
👍👍
Ugh. What a disgusting thought, but right on the money.
Goebbels.
I'm torn between Goebbels and Heydrich.
Goebbels preached the hate and Heydrich instituted the “Final Solution.”
Yes. I think Miller is capable of doing both.
I’m going with Eichmann.
Amen Jane!! 🙌🏽
Jane John Jones, ABSOLUTELY!!! They’re fucking sick!!
And you never did one stupid thing in your whole life? It's called trial and error and most of us have done it. Read the Robert Reich piece and see if most trump supporters are doing OK.
Is this snark? Because, yes, I’ve done so many stupid things in my life that I’ve lost count. However, I never did something stupid that would result in mass suffering, the destruction of democracy, the normalization of rape, theft, cruelty, greed, oppression, bigotry and the flouting of basic human decency. This was a choice between democracy and fascism, decency and amoral cruelty… are you excusing this? Are you excusing this as just a silly mistake? I really hope you’re joking.
no snark at all. I voted for Harris, knowing that there would be no guarantee that she would cease arms sales to Israel. It is highly probable that the genocide in Gaza will continue. And I voted for that. So that makes ME voting for probable genocide with complete deliberation. That's worse than voting for genocide by mistake.
It is very hard to be completely pure and avoid every single mistake in this world. Some people think since Trump is such a big liar, he's lying about his plans. I don't know if they're right. I hope he'll deport just a few thousand very dramatically and be done with it. After all, he can't deport them unless the country is willing to take them back. Mexico can send troops to the border and simply block deportation busses from mentoring. If an airplane full of deportees lands in a country in Central America, that government can simply order it to fly back where it came from. Trump's power is not unlimited.
It is not only highly probable that the genocide in Gaze will continue, it is guaranteed. In fact, with Netanyahu and his Kahanist thugs in charge the chance that there will be ANY Palestinians in Gaza left soon is slim to none. And the West Bank will be annexed very quickly. Your argument that you willingly voted for genocide by voting for Harris is absurd. She was the only chance that there might be some actual pushback against the Israelis. As a Jew, I say without hesitation that the current government of Israel is the greatest threat to the safety of Jews worldwide.
You can speculate all you want about what will or will not happen under Trump. Expect the worst. The original topic of our exchange was whether Trump voters voted for him because they were economically stressed or not, I said my piece. At this point, I can truly say that I forgive the Germans more than I will ever forgive American Trumpers for embracing evil, at least the Germans in the 30’s were experiencing real, crushing economic horrors and hardships. Americans during an economic upturn and the promise of real reforms offered by Harris willingly embraced the worst villainous waste of human flesh to ever darken the Oval Office. You want to make excuses for that? Have at it. It’s called “enabling”.
Jane John This is Kathleen’s specialty..only she can be correct. We all see it all the time.
BTW, did you look at any of the three links I recommended? Or do you want to maintain your mind in the closed and shut position? Maybe a few atomic bombs would take out enough Trump voters so that we would never need to worry about them again.
I just wish "Blocks" here actually blocked posts like this one.
I agree that she is the best chance for some pushback against Netanyahu, but I am not counting on it at all. The only thing I'm trying to enable is the Democrats being able to elect a president. Our college educated elites are just not going to attract enough votes.
I find your arguments and mindset so at odds with mine that I don’t really have anything more to say to you. You have used talking points such as -“elites” when Trump and Musk are the elites and Harris and Walz were not - in the sense you mean. You have refused to acknowledge that Trump voters have justified their repellent choice and that is THEIR responsibility. You are parroting a blame narrative from the media that always expects the Dems to satisfy these people who are at fault for their own ignorance and hate. Nothing I’m saying is getting through to you. I’m done with this
time-wasting back and forth,
Do you plan to regain a majority by scolding people or by satisfying them? I just think that scolding will never work Most people don't think you have to be a billionaire to be an elite. I think about 10% of the country would qualify as elites and I think a majority of that 10% would vote Democratic. By definition, anyone who has been a governor or a state attorney general or a senator is in fact an elite person.
I went through this on Saturday night. I'm to the point where I don't give a fuck about these people! They wish me ill, I wish them ill.
Hey Charlie. Hoping you had a peaceful weekend my friend.. I’m just praying for a full nights sleep..
BTW, did you know that blue counties have a 70% of the national income and red counties have 30%? If you were lagging that far behind the elite blue counties, wouldn't you feel a bit deprived? Actually if the blue counties were willing to surrender 20% to the red counties to even things up, I think it would make a difference in how people felt.
Ok… now I really suspect that you’re just trolling. Have a good day.
Absolutely not. My goal is to regain a Democratic majority by meeting the needs of people in fly over country.
I see from Kathleen's bio she is a "Christian," so this closed-minded preachiness of hers tracks.
We already "surrender" to the red states with our tax dollars. For what blue states send to the feds, we get back an average of about 70%. Red states get 100-120 percent. Haven't looked at those stats recently for actual percentages, but it's in the ball park. How the states use those funds is up to them. In AL, they built a new HS football stadium. That really feeds children, doesn't it! Most of the red states continue to block Medicaid expansion which could be a big help for the poor.
Tully, you are SO RIGHT! The poorest of the poor red states refuse federal funded poverty programs, feeding hungry people & kids. The refuse federally funded Medicaid programs to help people with medical care. But their stubborn shit-for-brains Congress reps & state officials want to "show the libs" by denying funded, fully. paid for programs. And their Congress people & state officials get reelected decade after decades.
Federal money is not returned to the states to use however they want. Every federal program is specifically regulated by Congress to be spent just the way Congress dictates. If federal funds built that football stadium, there should be a local news report that says that. If you give me a link proving that that is true, I'll be surprised. BTW, more and more red states are accepting the Medicare money.
Jane John 🎯
Kathleen, what exactly are you trying to say? What is your point? I don’t consider voting for frump
A mistake! It was done with all of its deplorable intentions.
Please read at least one of the three articles that I suggested. If you only want to read one, read the second one by Robert Reich, and you will understand the point of view that I share with Secretary Reich. Jeff keeps telling us how dumb trumps followers are, and now you want to say they perfectly understand everything about Trump.
Excellent post Jane!!
It’s a curious thing considering, dairy and farm products have immigrants to thank for seeing these products in their stores and on their tables.
Most of construction companies that built the homes they live in have immigrants to thank… our labor force is comprised of legal and illegal immigrants, period!!! Wake the fuck up you fucking immigrant hating morons!!Did any of the miasma of MAGA morons, ever use the scrambled grey matter between their ears to justify getting rid of 1/3 to 1/2 of the labor in America? Or who’s going to pick up the slack?
Having just had appendicitis (yes you don’t need to be under 30 to get it) I waited 18 hours for surgery. I was in a very upscale suburban hospital. The membrane sack had opened so I had contamination. So I was on a drip of antibiotics an hour for four of them four hours between each one.
If frump’s wet dreams come true, I would have been dead. I was in pain terribly sick.
WE WILL NOT LET THIS DERANGED IDIOT DO THIS TO OUR COUNTRY.
WE NEED TO FIGHT HIM TOOTH AND NAIL. WE CANNOT LOSE TIME
WE NEED TO MAKE OUR PLAN.
HIS FOLLOWERS ARE LOSERS. THEIR POOR SND STUPID LIVES ARE THEIR OWN DOING. GROW UP SHIT HEADS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. EVEN IF STUPID HEAD DIES OF HIS OWN BAD HEALTH SECOND STUPID HEAD IS WORSE.
Terry, sorry to hear you had a health crisis. Strangely enough, I had an attack of an infected gallbladder in October and was in the hospital for two days on an IV antibiotic.
I truly believe that if Trump tries to fuck up healthcare more than it is already, he'll have 80% of the country on his back. If you are on Medicare, consider moving to Houston TX because we have some of the best Medicare hospitals in the country. I'm on Memorial Hermann Medicare advantage. For reasons that are way too long to describe I have been in the hospital six times since March 2023. No serious complaints.
The MAGA map and the opioid addiction map are pretty much the same. Billionaires have ruined the lives of many in rural America but between their churches, Sinclair Broadcasting stations and Fox News, and a 5th rate state education system, they have no clue. We really need to start an EDUCATION campaign, somehow, once the economy starts crashing under Trump.
We need to come up with economic plans that will benefit the flyover states and then we need to educate them about how well these plans will work.
That’s already been done Kathleen. The Dems also had a great solution for immigrants that RescumliCons rejected because it would look good for Joe. They refuse to be educated, they don’t accept fact. Jesus, you should be on to that by now!
Geez, pls don't egg her on!
No!!! There is no comprehensive economic plan for the flyover states. Obamacare gave everyone half-assed health care that is still unaffordable for most people, but there is no guarantee of job retraining for every single adult in the United States.
I agree that there was a good immigration plan that Trump torpedoed, but neither Biden nor Obama guaranteed job training to every American adult.
Turd wants to eliminate the Dept of Education. We already rank in a bad place as far as literacy, math, etc. At least we won't have a wealthy person to lead it. Last admin he had Betsy DeVos trying for four years to undermine education. BTW, Betsy De Vos's brother is Eric Prince.
For a year I had to live in strong maga territory. "Home schooling" was big. Both parents worked, so the kids rode their expensive dirt bikes all day. Half the kids who I'd say hi to at the mailbox, were bright, nice kids. The older kids, middle school aged, were rude and surely, and seemed dumb as a box of rocks.
We always put everything on our credit card. We use Costco card and get money back end of year.
I also use a cash back credit card for groceries. However, I don't think that's what the Democratic congresswoman meant. I think these people are paying interest on their groceries.
I’ve been a fan of Robert for years, he’s incredibly talented, amusing and intelligent! Certainly a great voice for this country Kathleen!!
But “ the govt” was trying to pass anti-price gouging legislation that every GOP objected to. But they lied to their voters. And now the voters will continue to suffer. Just WAIT until medicare and veterans checks stop coming bc he puts in some incompetent hater or his billionaire says so.