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Jeff Tiedrich's avatar

props to Marisa Kabas at The Handbasket who read through the entire 900-page Project 2025 to find the line about windmills.

https://www.thehandbasket.co/p/trump-windmills-project-2025

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Cheryl from Maryland's avatar

I hope she is okay after reading over 900 pages of whacko garbage.

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Lisa59's avatar

I had to eat alot of gummies to get through it. The diaper rash and his misogynistic KKK buddies stated they didn't put everything in there. They just posted the stuff they wanted us to see. It's actually much worse. It's the Handmaid's Tale on crack.

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Jeanne Leduc's avatar

Fuuuccckkk.

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Lisa59's avatar

Pretty much. This stuff is making chest hurt. I can't read any media, other than here. It's too much. Everyone has lost their goddamn minds.

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Robert R's avatar

The poor girl might need counseling after that !

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Linda Weide's avatar

That is why I am reading Project 2025 with a group. Joyce Vance suggested doing it as a book club, so I suggested that to my Democrats Abroad group. We are just getting started. I have read the Dept of Education section which is in section 3 The General Welfare. That section lists a lot of Departments. Education they want to do away with. I don't just mean the department, but basically public education of American children. College students should be saving some of their Gaza protest spirit and working for Biden's campaign while informing everyone of the financial plans of Project 2025 for college payments as well as getting rid of accreditation. Think of taking a humongous loan from one of Trump's grifter friends and ending up in prison when you can't pay it or the military. Right now Congress should be drafting legislation that says you cannot be president if you are a criminal. We should not be going the way of Italy under Mussolini and Berlusconi, Libya under Gaddafi, Zaire under Mobutu, Germany under Hitler. As for the NYT, they don't get my money, and if anyone still subscribes to them stop. The same for WaPo. I have canceled both subscriptions, and except for the pieces Jeff and other Substacks share, I am clearing my brain of their taint. I don't choose Fox for a reason, and when the NYT becomes like my Scottish roommate in college's subscriptions to mags that have covers where headings say, "Aliens landed on my front lawn!" I know where they are headed. It is the same place all bodily wastes should go.

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Cheryl Mrusek's avatar

Joyce Vance is too cool!

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David (Dave) Jaspers's avatar

Truly a brave American. She read Project 2025 so we don't have to.

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

Page 319 is the start of The Education Section of Project 2025. There is no reference to windmills. I’ve read 3 sections so far. It’s a tough read and I can only take it in small doses. But one thing for sure, if what I’ve read so far is the future for America, now is the time to take action because if Trump is reelected, the US will become a one-party state for decades. Scary sh*t.

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Jeff Tiedrich's avatar

huh. it's possible that different PDF readers paginate differently. that's the first explanation that comes to mind

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Susan Linehan's avatar

just do a search on the PDF. It is actually rather more than windmills. The context is

"Under the next President, the Department of Energy should end the Biden Administration’s unprovoked war on fossil fuels, restore America’s energy independence, oppose eyesore windmills built at taxpayer expense, and respect the right of Americans to buy and drive cars of their own choosing, rather than trying to force them into electric vehicles and eventually out of the driver’s seat altogether in favor of self-driving robots."

I do trust the drafter of this section can continue to afford air conditioning and won't get storm coverage removed from his insurance, because the need for THAT is already happening--provoked by the fossil fuel industry.

And I have not seen ONE recommendation from anywhere but the tech bros that anyone be forced to use "self-driving robots."

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

No, I checked her version also. But I will find it, even though it may take me to the end of October to finish the effing document.

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

The version that I have was sent by Joyce Vance last Saturday. She included the link in that particular post where she speaks about her girls - her chickens.

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Chaiah's avatar

Can you do a search for “windmills?”

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

No as I’m reading from my IPad. But my task for the rest of the day is to work on my desktop, download it in a PDF as others have suggested. Thank you to all who’ve provided guidance on the process. It is appreciated.

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Keith E. Cooper's avatar

Page 286: The next Secretary of Energy will similarly have much work to do. Under the

next President, the Department of Energy should end the Biden Administration’s

unprovoked war on fossil fuels, restore America’s energy independence, oppose

eyesore windmills built at taxpayer expense, and respect the right of Americans

to buy and drive cars of their own choosing, rather than trying to force them

into electric vehicles and eventually out of the driver’s seat altogether in favor of

self-driving robots.

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Bill Lawrence's avatar

Where do these people get the "war on fossil fuels?" Production has increased under Biden (shouldn't be proud of that, either), and America has been energy independent for quite some time now. More nonsense from the Right.

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Mary Hall's avatar

Plus, ol' Handsome Joe made a fkton of $ for the gummint by selling our oil reserves high and buying them back low -- https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/us-crude-oil-profit-strategic-petroleum-reserve-releases-crude-joe-biden-2022-12

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Lisa59's avatar

He did this lower gas prices, correct?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

They mean cutting their subsidies, and making people aware of the fuckery they have been committing world-wide.

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Follow The Money - cui bono's avatar

When I get the dementia I want a self driving robot car. 🚙

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Chaiah's avatar

Sounds Hunter S Thompson-esque. 😂

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

Thank you for providing the page number. At least now I can take the rest of my life to read the Manifesto. 😉

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Tess's avatar

Please have a beer or glass of wine while you are reading it! ❤️

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

A little early in the day, but when I’m done reading it I will certain celebrate with my favorite Pinot noir. And I can guarantee you that I won’t stop at “one” glass unless of course if it’s big enough to take the whole bottle. 😄

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Sharon Senkiew's avatar

The 319 referenced is the pdf page counter in the top left corner. Actual page is 286.

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Chaiah's avatar

Thank you.

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

Actually it’s in the Table of Contents in each of the 2 documents that I checked. And both cite page 319 as the start of the Education Section. But thank you for providing the correct page #.

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P123Sunny's avatar

Love a Comment Section with a mission ;)

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Susan Linehan's avatar

the pdf I downloaded actually has a TOC that is clickable.

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

So did mine. But I clicked on the page # of TOC to access the section that I was first interested in - Education Section. Thank you nonetheless for your input.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

if you download the Manifesto (that's actually what they call it) and save it as a PDF you can then search on your PDF reader for terms that interest you. That's how I found the reference to HHS protecting "innocent" lives "from conception to natural death."

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Kay-El's avatar

That’s what I did

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Lisa59's avatar

Ditto.

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shee-rah's avatar

I’m assuming “innocent lives” does not include prisoners on death row. So this would mean that they still support capital punishment.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

But of course. Even if DNA proves innocence after the trial.

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Kay-El's avatar

My mom’s family was from the Netherlands. If windmills cause noise cancer, I wouldn’t be here. 🙄

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arne link's avatar

We should spread the word that windmills cause frantic sexual desire and extreme appeal. Doesn't everyone know that? Why isn't this fact shared everywhere? The Dutch are notoriously horney and I think it's cause of the windmills.

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Lynn Horsky's avatar

you'd certainly have swarms of people swimming out to the ones in oceans and sunbathing under them in the desert:)

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CAM from 🇨🇦's avatar

Lo, post of the day. 🏅

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Mary Hall's avatar

LDFF specifically said, "... noise cancer." WTF that is. I am so sick of this fkin' guy. Die already!

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Alicia Norman's avatar

Noise. Cancer. How do they even say that with a straight face?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Decades of practice...

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Kay-El's avatar

Beats the hell out of me!! Hope you’re feeling well and on the mend!!

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Barbara B's avatar

The Wikipedia article on Project 2025 is long (but not 920 pages) and enough to scare anyone into voting blue. It includes very troubling quotes from Roberts et al, that show the hateful, violent mindset of this crowd.

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Stranger Than Friction's avatar

I'm concerned the Heritage Foundation is going to whisk the plan away from their site as more people become Project 2025 curious. I hope somebody has a copy they can share if that happens.

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James Starr's avatar

Oh, Im sure it has been copied many times..and will become available and accessible to all from various sources.

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Keith E. Cooper's avatar

You or anyone else who wants a copy of the PDF, just ask me.

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Lisa59's avatar

They plan shutting it down.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Or just changing the name, that fools their people every time.

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SPW's avatar

It’s all over the place now. No worries on that point.

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TJTarheel's avatar

What is so un-aesthetic about windmills? They imply security and hope for a future. I love the sight of them.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Me too! There is a tour of a 'farm' of them you can take in Palm Springs. It is very interesting.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Also see Andra Watkins substack :"How project 2025 will fuck up your life." She's an escaped evangelical victim, who speaks wingnut and translates it into sane speech for the rest of us.

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Kathleen Weber's avatar

Adolf Hitler told the world that he was founding a 1000-year Reich. I think that sets the record for being forward looking.

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Cheryl Mrusek's avatar

She’s awesome!

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Cat Cafe's avatar

That is just so amazing. What a find. Hilarious.

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Chaiah's avatar

I’m printing out my copy, tomorrow. Excellent catch by Marisa!

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Alison Parker's avatar

Just gonna quote Desmond Tutu here for the FTFNYT:

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

And FYI to Kahn and Sulzberger and the rest of them: The mouse in this scenario is the very existence of the USA as we know it. You bottom-feeding fuckwagons.

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Jeanne Leduc's avatar

Yes!

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

🎯👏👏👏👏👏

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Ann Anderson's avatar

Cancelled our NYT subscription several days ago, and we've subscribed since 1990. Dead to us.

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

Every Substack that I read has hundreds of people canceling their subscriptions. I canceled mne a year ago and WAPO six months ago. I like to play Wordle and the NYT has been fucking with my account. Well fuck them. Wordle or standing up for Democracy and the millions of lives given to protect it? Duh. I get infuriated when I see commenters say, "but I like their recipes." Listen to yourselves, PLEASE!

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Ann Anderson's avatar

The only reason we're hanging on to WaPo is for Jennifer Rubin. When she goes, we go. And yeah, same here. Every other comment I read is about cancelling the NYT. Good!

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

I was tempted but having Rupert's lackeys involved was a bridge too far. I wish Jennifer would do her own Substack.

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PeggyStuart's avatar

I wish Substack would have a subscription for a large number of blogs or all of them, at a discount. I can't afford to subscribe to more than two or three, and I'm up to three now, paid. With a paper, I got lots of information, and I thought I was supporting journalism. Not anymore.

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

you can read most if not all for free, you just can't comment.

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PeggyStuart's avatar

True!

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Ann Anderson's avatar

That would be ideal. Gonna suggest it next time I comment on her column. (I don't have the sense that any of the columnists read the comments, but never mind.)

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arne link's avatar

I believe that Jeff reads the comments because he sometimes comments on them. As an aside, I think Jeff is awesome.

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Ann Anderson's avatar

I meant the NYT and WaPo columnists. Substack is different.

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Mary Hall's avatar

What you said.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

He is one of the better angels keeping us sane these days!

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

I bet they have a underling or two that scans them.

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DonP's avatar

They do, or at least they read the early ones. Megan McArdle actually responded to one of my comments, and we had an interesting back and forth.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

She reads them because she is a narcissist and can't believe we don't fall for her "glibertarian" trust fund baby bullshit.

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Ann Anderson's avatar

Cool! Good to know.

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Linda McCaughey's avatar

There is no reason good enough to give money to people like the ones at WaPo. Not one. Jennifer will move when she realizes that her followers have left.

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Susan Keefer's avatar

Even Jennifer Rubin was starting to question whether President Biden should stay in the race. 🙄

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Cheryl from Maryland's avatar

I couldn't finish her column today. Yes, Trump. is. a. stochastic threat. Yes, he must be defeated. But does this mean Biden cannot defeat him and must drop out? NO!

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Ann Anderson's avatar

I couldn't read it, either. If she keeps this up, we're outtie!

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Music Mama's avatar

I unfollowed her on Twitter yesterday.

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Ann Anderson's avatar

*sigh*

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Susan Travis's avatar

Yep, Ann, Jennifer Rubin is a good reason to stay with WaPo. I always liked Greg Sargent, but read him now at The New Republic.

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Ann Anderson's avatar

I used to read The Plum Line regularly. May look into New Republic.

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Dee Whitman's avatar

TNR has a great deal right now: two years (digital) for $15. If you can subscribe, pls do -- they do great, essential work. Thanks.

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Ann Anderson's avatar

Thx!

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

He mostly does podcasts there, though, sadly.

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Old Man's avatar

Sadly, I think she’s crossed over.

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DonP's avatar

She has a email newsletter that goes out every Wednesday and Friday. You can sign up for it under her column. I haven't canceled yet, but probably will once the election's over.

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Nancy Potter's avatar

Where will we get accurate news if Trump comes in? NYT will knuckle under so fast it'll make your head spin, WaPo will take a little longer, MSNBC might try to carry on but their corporate owner will muzzle them in the face of Trump threats. Do we go to The Guardian? Canadian papers? Will Project 2025 stifle the Internet in the guise of keeping us away from porn?

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Marlene Lerner-Bigley (CA)'s avatar

The Guardian is very reliable and so is New Republic

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

And Propublica.

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arne link's avatar

When will she start her own Substack so that I can cancel WAPO? I have a really cheap deal but I will cancel when that's finished.

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P123Sunny's avatar

She also has a podcast called The Green Room and is on Mary Trump’s Nerd Avenger panel, too. ✨

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SPW's avatar

Jennifer Rubin’s Green Room is on You Tube. https://youtu.be/LyHxG5LbX4Y?si=-9FV-KLYrgqZ1Gqx

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Sara Toye's avatar

I guess a 2nd Trump administration would cause journalism and law schools to shut down. No need for either in Trumerica.

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PeggyStuart's avatar

MAGANazis will tell everyone what to write.

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Karla's avatar

I bet a Google search would net those recipes both monetarily and bullshit free.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yep, it's just a poor excuse.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

As I've said elsewhere, I keep the subscription because then I can comment on the stories. It seems to me it is almost a DUTY to actively resist the NYT bias by commenting and/or writing letters to the editor. Also, on things not touching Biden they have some good reporting. And excellent story on Palestinians' treatment over the years by the Israeli government, for example.

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Linda McFee's avatar

I’ve found Quordle and Sequence on google more fun and challenging anyway, so fuck the NYT. I can live without Wordle, I cannot fathom life in a fascist Christotheocracy.

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SPW's avatar

As if one can’t get recipes out the wazoo from the internet 🙄. I suppose NYT readers have gotten so dumbed down they’ve forgotten that little fact?

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Jeanne Leduc's avatar

Exactly. There are very similar apps to wordle.

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Nancy Potter's avatar

Tell the recipe lover that there's an NYT Recipe a Day calendar so you don't have to support their execrable editorial dept. A lot of delicious recipes, it will take years to try them all, and less guilt, except for the desserts.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

As if there are no recipe sites on the internet!

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Linda McFee's avatar

Google Quordle and Sequence. More fun anyway. Same concept but a bit more challenging.

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P123Sunny's avatar

Oh good GRIEF… I think they were also embarrassed at the WHCD when they were pointed out as ‘sitting at the Wordle table’… omg!

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Stranger Than Friction's avatar

My partner and I thought we had canceled. Instead, we got a bill to continue the subscription! So we're canceling it again TODAY, and we're saying why: "The NYT is complicit in the rise of fascism in America, which is why we are canceling our subscription."

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

👏👏👏👏👏❤️👍

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PeggyStuart's avatar

I've been using the hashtag #ActuallyHonestNews on SM to solicit suggestions for where we could get, you know, actually honest news. The major networks and newspapers are not usually mentioned.

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

I recommend “The Guardian”, it has excellent coverage of U.S. and world news. It seems to be the least biased. When it posts opinion pieces, it tells you they are opinions.

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PeggyStuart's avatar

Thanks for the recommendation.

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Linda McCaughey's avatar

Thank you.

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Krista Allen's avatar

One key piece of information that's eluded "journalists" and talking heads regarding the Parkinson's expert is that President Biden signed the National Plan to End Parkinson’s Act on 7/2, which is a pretty compelling reason why a PARKINSON'S EXPERT visited the White House over the past few months. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2024/07/02/bill-signed-h-r-2365/

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

the WH needs to get out and SAY that. it infuriates me when they don't get ahead of this kind of shit. it only grows. fuck.

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BoomerAtLarge's avatar

I think they need to take more control in the WH press briefings. "Biden's annual physical confirms he's neurologically fine" or whatever. That's it. Move on to the next subject of his accomplishments or what he's working on today. Don't play into the ridiculousness.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Did you see the WH press briefing yesterday? They attacked KJP like the gang of shouty ugly bullies they’ve become. They won’t allow her to move on after she’s responded in good faith to their repetitive whiny insulting questions. She should just quietly tell them she’s not going to engage with their disrespectful behavior, fold up her briefings file, and leave the podium.

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Chet Brandt's avatar

Exactly— leave the podium and say,” I will be back when some of you can act like an adult?!” LDFF White House went 300+ days without a formal press briefing back in 2019?!! Stephanie Grishman never gave a press briefing!

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BoomerAtLarge's avatar

No, but I heard about it. Not sure she's got the right personality for this, so to speak, but what you recommend is EXACTLY how these things should be run from now on. We've got to be assertively moving on from the insanity in EVERYTHING we do from here on out!!

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

I like Karine, but she doesn’t seem to have the fire and humor of Psaki. I miss her making mincemeat of Peter Douchey.

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arne link's avatar

She's really not the right person. We need someone stronger and always have.

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Marlene Lerner-Bigley (CA)'s avatar

I disagree. I think Karine has a tremendous amount of patience and she demanded respect yesterday when things went awry.She asked for respect for her job and said it isn’t an easy task to come out daily to brief everyone. Let me tell you what happened to her yesterday was racist but she kept her cool. Jen Psaki was brilliant at being press sec’y but Karine just has a different demeanor and she is very intelligent. She isn’t a performer. She is an informer.

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Nancy Potter's avatar

I read the Neurologist reports -- Biden has a nerve issue in his foot and ankle -- might explain why he trips sometimes, but doesn't prove a problem with his brain. But since Trump's doctors lied like rugs, Republicans and the NYT assume all doctors are equally unethical.

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Tess's avatar

I read that yesterday, I believe on threads…..but yes——idiots need to report the truth!

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Douglas's avatar

Yes Lorraine....the admin doesn't communicate very well...has spokesperson Karinne Pierre said anything at pressers..as I didn't hear her say it.

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JOSEPH PEDALINO, JR.'s avatar

Needless to say there was zero coverage of THAT event…OMG they don’t report on things that might be ‘good’, not that there is actually any ‘reporting’ going on, too busy with right wing propaganda.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

THANK YOU

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Susan Niemann's avatar

Jeff would make a Great Fucking Swearing Coach! 🤣. The NYT… what else can be said? At this point it’s the super wealthy against the rest of us. Fuck that. Didn’t Bezos do some 5 Billion dollar stock thing yesterday? Grab your pitchfork. We ride at dawn.

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Terri Nighswonger's avatar

Yep. Jeff has really stepped up my use of colorful adjectives. Love it!!!! So much fun.

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P123Sunny's avatar

AKA Color Commentary

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Schnauzermom's avatar

I used “chucklefuck” in front of (not to!) my husband yesterday. I thought he was literally gonna die laughing 😀

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arne link's avatar

That sort of thing is what keeps marriages alive. I was married for 52 years and humor played it's part.

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P123Sunny's avatar

I DID NOT have Jeff replacing Dale Carnegie on my bingo card

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Charles Austin's avatar

Let's roll!!💪💪

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Mary Hall's avatar

Recommended reading to get in the mood is "A Tale of Two Cities" -- https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/98/pg98-images.html

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Susan Niemann's avatar

It's been ages since I read this...you're right. Time to get in the mood.

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P123Sunny's avatar

Check out Mary Trump Media on YouTube also..

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

He has been my swearing coach for quite a while now. I use LDFF regularly, and also several other “Jeffisms”.

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Susan Niemann's avatar

😂😂

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I forget some of the best ones we need a "Jeffictionary"

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

Good idea!

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P123Sunny's avatar

Resume update, Jeff!!!!

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P123Sunny's avatar

The Age of Weaponizing….Everything :/

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Aleksandra Wolska's avatar

Defending democracy is our ONLY job. That's the very core of this country's vision, it's very soul. Vote blue, vote for democracy, vote for the good of all.

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Suki Herr's avatar

I came of age during the 68 Democratic convention. In college during Watergate.

I thought good journalism was an act of rebellion. Woodward, Bernstein,Bradlee taking on Richard Nixon.

I don’t understand “it’s not our job to defend democracy”

What exactly is Times’ mission statement?

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

"To make money for our biggest shareowners, Vanguard Group Inc, BlackRock Inc., Farallon Capital Management Llc, T."

There you go folks. Blackrock inc are criminals in my opinion.

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BoomerAtLarge's avatar

Unfortunately, Woodward let us down by waiting until he wrote his book to confirm that Orange Turd knew COVID was going to be bad from the word go. I don't pay attention to him anymore.

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Mary Hall's avatar

Blood on his hands. Estimates are that 500,000 Americans died needlessly because of LDFF's bullshit about Covid-19. Hell, I blame him for ALL of the deaths because he dismantled the team in China that was watching for such events. My friend lost his mom, my cousin lost her husband, and our son's wife lost her cousin leaving three young children, and my brother is still suffering the effects of Long Covid.

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P123Sunny's avatar

I’m so sorry to hear.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

And threw out the "pandemic playbook" because it came through Obama, "W" Bush actually started it IIRC.

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

Money, it’s all about money for them.

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P123Sunny's avatar

Don’t forget Kathryn Graham (publisher)

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Suki Herr's avatar

ThankYou for adding her name.

I forgot the Pentagon Papers, too

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I never forget the Pentagon Papers. That was why the WaPo was always (to me) superior.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

"We write whatever right-wing garbage the Sulz tells us to."

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JOSEPH PEDALINO, JR.'s avatar

“All the propaganda we can print, we don’t care if its fit to print anymore when jockeying for position for ‘state media whores”

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Tess's avatar

I miss Walter Cronkite. I read Dan Rather’s stack-always truthful. Who the fuck are these journalists role models growing up? (don’t answer that-fucking no one!) It’s all about money. Your post is spot on Jeff! Trump is spoon fed bullshit and makes up more bullshit as he goes along. Sickening!

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

First of all, they are not journalists they were schooled by the movie "Network," It's all show, drama and ratings.

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Tess's avatar

Agree! Why the hell even call them that!

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

They are stenographers for republican effluent.

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Krista Allen's avatar

My 21 y/o son and I had that exact conversation last night!

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P123Sunny's avatar

Lawrence is doing admirably, btw

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

David Muir is a lot like Peter Jennings, another great newscaster.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

What has happened to journalism? Jeez, insanity has spread. NYT and others don't think our way of life is worth defending? They're too stupid to realize what would happen to them under authoritarian rule? First Amendment freedom of the press will be eliminated, idiot NYT and others. Get a clue and fast

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DonP's avatar

What's happened? Owners decided to stop losing money on media, and demanded newsrooms start making profits. That's when real journalism went out the window in favor of the shiny object of the day.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Can confirm. I’m old enough to remember when journalism had a wall between church & state (editorial/marketing depts.) It all seems so quaint now.

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Mary Hall's avatar

Plus, the 24-hour news cycle needs to be fed.

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HI2thDoc's avatar

Sad but true

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

NYT has always been the Vichy Times.

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Ellis Weiner's avatar

Kahn's "Defending democracy is a partisan act," and his paper's willingness to see it destroyed, somehow reminds me a line in The Cell Block Tango in the musical Chicago. One of the women in jail for having killed her partner says something like, "We had a difference of opinion. He saw himself as alive. I saw him as dead."

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Dee Whitman's avatar

Such a great show -- and your comment made me smile. Thanks for that.

I've been told that a then-angry Bob Fosse was inspired to write it in response (or at least partly in response) to all that Nixon was doing and getting away with. (It's based on a Maurine Dallas Watkins play from the 1920s, but Fosse + Kander + Ebb put their own spin on it.)

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Ellis Weiner's avatar

I thought the movie was brilliant in every way.

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arne link's avatar

The film Cabaret is a favorite of mine but Chicago is my second fave.

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Richard Von Busack's avatar

Wonderful original Roxie Hart (1942) is on YouTube

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Dee Whitman's avatar

Yes, I saw that! (When I was composing my post, I checked YT for a particular clip from that movie -- initially l wanted to share the clip, but it has some of the casual-but-horrible racism of the time, so I didn't. If anyone reading this is tempted to watch the movie, b prepared: All classic big-studio HW movies disparage Black people and women, though Black people are depicted far more insultingly).

Thanks, and best wishes.

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Patris's avatar

Great line. Dark.

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Charles Austin's avatar

😂😂

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

That and "he ran into my knife, ten times"

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Patris's avatar

Haberman’s been wearing a shock collar since being reborn as one of Trump’s asskisser- generals.

Im so glad I cancelled the NYT. It’s good for wrapping fish at this point.

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Rick Calegari's avatar

The fish deserve better than that. Might as well call these Trump- enabling assholes The Reich Nation Times. If they refuse to defend democracy then they serve no purpose at all except fuel to start the fireplace. I subscribe to only one on-line newspaper, The Sacramento Bee and although so much smaller in comparison, they won't be defending a lying, fascist, felonious pedophile who's entire horseshit agenda is to hurt and not help people.

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Patris's avatar

I’m a news addict so I have more BUT must give a shout out to blue collar Philadelphia Inquirer. They’re not stupid. (My highest compliment these days unfortunately)

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Linda Fulcher's avatar

They have a terrific political columnist, Will Bunch.

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Patris's avatar

Yes. Sane man.

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Deb's avatar

I just signed up for an online subscription: 6months for $1.00.

I like their editorials and have subscribed to Will Bunch.

Like many others, I cancelled WaPo (I cancelled NYT after 2016 election). Since I live in CA, I subscribe to Sacramento Bee as well and SF Chronicle. (I'm not sure I'll keep the Chronicle, but I live in the Bay Area). I think I may look into NPR as well..

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P123Sunny's avatar

Me too!

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Rick Calegari's avatar

I ended up dumping the Chronicle. Not nearly as good as the Bee although the Sactown subscription has gotten pricey these days.

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MzNicky in East Jesus, TN's avatar

Someone the other day called them the “Knee-Jerk Times,” and I’m going with that.

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Rick Calegari's avatar

Jerk could be used several ways here to describe another Kahn, the highly educated, Pulitzer prize winning journalist who's pushing this crap. Perhaps he's getting orders from someone higher in the pecking order to promote this twisted agenda.

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arne link's avatar

And maybe a sweet paycheck?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I like "Vichy Times" myself they are Nazi adjacent.

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P123Sunny's avatar

🌟🌟🌟

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Elaine the Mean Old Feminist's avatar

And don't forget its dandy bird cage lining possibilities.

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Patris's avatar

Definitely- the pile I have left will be on cat box duty …

(Though I just reread an interview I’d kept with Sean MacGowan from 2022 and will miss the real reporters).

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JOSEPH PEDALINO, JR.'s avatar

In our latest poll even fish find the nyt offensive.

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Patris's avatar

Now That’s a headline 🔥🔥🔥

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Her dad was a legend, she's always been a legacy hire, and her mom works for the company that does trumps PR.

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Patris's avatar

Her father must be gone or in shock then

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

He seems to be still among the living, interesting the wiki on him is very sparse, does not even tell how old he is, graduted HS in 1942, yet this interview claims he was 68 in 2014, https://observer.com/2014/01/clyde-habermans-last-bite/

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Patris's avatar

End results the same from searching too.

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Patris's avatar

It’s something that still leaves me amazed. Because it celebrates criminality.

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P123Sunny's avatar

We’re getting very close to a ‘nothing really matters any more’ world - & it’s scaring me:/

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David (Dave) Jaspers's avatar

Preach, Jeff. Tell those fucknuggets at the New York Times to fuck all the way off. They are completely missing the point. It's an objective fact that Democracy as we know it will be on the line in November. We have this Constitution, see? And one political party wants to flush it down a gold-plated, water-deprived toilet. I'd say that merits a line or two (maybe even three) in the paper.

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Dtss's avatar

Am I the only one who is getting pretty fucking damn tired of being told that golden rain shower is actually water?

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Dee Whitman's avatar

I was slightly comforted by Margaret Sullivan's column in The Guardian today: "The media has been breathlessly attacking Biden. What about Trump?"

But only slightly. The NYT's abdication of its mission -- its near-total giving over to journalistic malpractice -- is massively depressing.

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Chris Ortolano's avatar

Anyone want to tell the NYT that democracy allows them to report the news without "accidentally" falling off a balcony? I cancelled my subscription months ago, they are dead to me. BUT I did take the time to call each Congressional democrat who has turned their back on President Biden. I was as polite as I could manage to be with their staff.

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Patris's avatar

Any real answers?

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Chris Ortolano's avatar

No, they all just told me they would relay my "concerns" to the congressman (woman). Some said I would get a response, I rather doubt it.

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Patris's avatar

It’s worth the effort though. I appreciate that you’ve called.

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Chris Ortolano's avatar

I think they think the treason weasel will win, and he will let them survive. They are wrong.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

He called them "the failing NY Times" turns out out is because they kiss his ass.

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Renee Cibulka's avatar

Cancelled NYT last week. It is no longer worth reading, and has become a danger to democracy. If they get rid of their worthless publisher and editor, and return to their former, actual balanced, reporting, I’ll consider resubscribing…but I’m not holding my breath.

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Lorraine Parish's avatar

they are done and should stay done for their betrayal.

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