I'm sick and tired of everyone losing their shit and trying to replace Biden. He's fighting FOR us, not himself. Back him up, and work on getting those that didn't typically vote to go out and vote!
Ditto. A day after the debate, Biden had a hell of a strong comeback in North Carolina. He said he had been dealing a sore throat as the demented dipshit did what he always does and lied his ass off. One difficult debate performance isn't a legitimate reason to bail as Sen. Fetterman emphasized yesterday. Once again, the media has it's priorities back asswards and needs to focus on the real and present danger who continues with his hateful, destructive, no solutions to anything platform.
Obama, Reagan, GW Bush and Clinton all had disastrous early debates (& ALL bounced back and WON) - YET WE CONTINUE to help memory-hole those facts. Geezus we’re LAME 🤬
The fact that no one remembers shows how unimportant these ‘debates’ are in the big picture, really… Plus Hilary kicked 🍊ass multiple times and what did that get her?
1st Romney debate. Romney totally Gish-galloped him… I think it was in Denver & Obama had just flown in that day… so they blamed it on his being off-balance due to altitude… (fact- check, pls!)
This isn't the same ffs. Obama didn't look vacant-eyed, slack-jawed at all, let alone most of the debate like Joe did. He didn't talk gibberish several times like Joe did. People aren't going to forget this, it's going to be played ad nauseum for 4 months, they don't even need to include the audio, just the video is damning. I'll vote for Joe even if he's in a coma, but all we need are a few thousand independents and undecideds in a few states to stay home based on that performance. I already know of a couple of democratic acquaintances who were horrified and say they can't bring themselves to vote for that, even as they won't vote for Trump. I don't have the answers, but acting like the debate wasn't the huge dumpster fire that it was is delusional at best, gaslighting at worst. No debate in history was worse than this for one candidate. The worst part is that his horrific performance took away from the fact that Trump lied constantly and no one even noticed.
I completely agree, but the deluded people here just abused me like good MAGATs would have. I know what I’ve seen over the last year and the other night. BTW those are more than one data point geniuses. It wasn’t good and the MAGATs will exploit it for the next several months. Oh and changing the subject to Trump the dumpster fire is not addressing the elephant in the room. It is pure deflection. The MAGATs do that too.
The only place I saw that rally in full was on MSNBC, so it just played to the faithful. Plus, he had a teleprompter like at the State of the Union. Someone on The Weekend this morning said that a leader should be based on his worst performance. Do you really want to wonder if he's having an "off night" if a catastrophic emergency happens and he needs to make a quick decision? I'm not saying Trump would be better, he'd probably be in a Big Mac coma or jacked up on Adderall, but Wes Moore, or Gretchen Whitmer, or Gavin Newsom, or Kamala Harris (although she's widely disliked, which I don't get), or Josh Shapiro would.
He was using a teleprompter in NC and did just fine. Off script he, like Trump, actuallly, has problems if in a different way. I'd like to see him out there addressing crowds and, after his prepared talks, get down and interact with him. He's in his element with people.
The media’s priorities are their bottom line. Period. They make a lot more money by doing whatever they can to get that former guy elected, and because he has made it clear that fascism will be our new national religion, their bottom line will explode into the stratosphere.
The fact checkers went to work by the next day--too little, too late. No one could have coped with the gusher of lies and misrepresentations spewed by Trump. We needed an on the spot fact check. CNN was an epic fail.
Does this look like a criminal enterprise? A conspiracy to steal by Deception?
Why don't Jake and Dana and the CNN investigative reporters blow the lid on this bunch of crooks? Their own reporters have scratched the surface. Now it's time for every legit Press platform to call bullshit on the legitimacy of Trump World. Reveal that it is all a Money Scam.
Roger Stone--April,, 2016--Founds the money scam "Stop the Steal" and steals from the donors.
So. Why does the legit press ignore the wrong doing by the Trump World Crime Gang? Overlook their stealing by deception and lies. Since when in America are crooks granted deference and respect by the Press, especially while they are in the process of committing more crimes? This is an historic failure by the Fourth Estate.
Read Bill Browder. Donald could emulate Putin so a self-pardon would be unnecessary. If he controls the justice system and the courts (lots of high windows and balconies for disloyal judges and their families) he would never be prosecuted anyway. The RNC is already floating the idea that the Executive Branch should rule over the Judicial and Legislative branches. Gotta think in terms of a Mafia Boss in the Oval Office. Who needs a self pardon if you're the King? (Patrick Henry warned of this almost 250 years ago.)
He wants "immunity" to avoid prosecution for his Jan 6 conspiracy. But he can also use it for political cover if he gains the WH again. "The Supreme Court said I can break any law I want."
Yes, it was deliberately bad, so Orangina will come back on, because his insanity freak show is ratings gold. The MSM normalizing his candidacy are the reason we got stuck with that criminal squatting in our white house.
The orange sociopath has repeatedly told the same lies over and over and over again at his hate rallies, can spew them at a moments notice in response to any question or statement without regard to the veracity or logic. That is what we witnessed, a memorized and practiced spiel, not a person whose faculties were working better during the debate. I’m sick of the discussion of Biden’s age. The Sociopathic Hate Monger is an equally old man as Biden. Older people’s brains are not the same, one to the other! Biden’s brain has been doing cognitive exercise, problem solving, information sorting, etc. for all these years - while the Pathological Liar’s brain has been in decline intellectually since early adulthood. No arguments here about both of their terrible debate performance, but if I were up against a torrent of bullshit without any real moderator questions to interrupt or guide the truth, I would get foggy and lose my train of thought. Yet, the media hasn’t been talking about the terrible performance of a pathological, fascist, demento bullshitting every single word that comes out of his mouth. Why isn’t this seen as a humongous failure by all journalists and reported in that context daily? No ONE has successfully challenged Orange Vonshitzinpantz when he’s suffocating us with lies except twice with just one reporter and a single lie in the last 8 years. None of the moderators have successfully handled a pathological liar in the debate format. The horrible follow up has been the colluding media that ignores the main threat of a sociopath (supported by idiots) and spends hours and hours taking down anyone who tries to confront Donald the Menace. The talk about Biden’s age without saying that both of them are old is how you know that the media has lost its way. It’s complete neglect and stupidity that news organizations do not repeatedly and hourly emphasize the dangers of trump and his enablers with their pathological lies. They are destroying us too.
As an expert on fascism, which unfortunately we are all becoming, she already had predicted that Trump would do well in such a forum because it would play into what he wanted to accomplish before the debate. https://lucid.substack.com/p/trump-is-using-tonights-debate-to
I am reading her book Strongmen: How They Rise, How They Succeed, How They Fail. She wrote it while Trump was president. I cannot wait to read a later version that talks about how Trump and Putin fail. Speaking of Trump and Putin, why is it HCR who is talking about the symbiotic relationship between those two fascists instead of the NYT? https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-28-2024
Again I return to my moniker of Treacherous-treasonous-traitorous-Trump!
Gee, I sure hope all of you NYT readers cancel your subscriptions, perhaps for 4-5 months, and tell them why you canceled. Why not sacrifice a bit to send a clear message to Sulzberger? Hey NYT, you are complicit in the rise of fascism in these United States!
And no lame fucking excuses about liking their recipe, or puzzles section, the internet is full of those sites, don't pay the enemies of democracy for them.
I concluded early on that the old debate format was outmoded and ineffective. It encourages exactly the kind of gish-in that Trump was able to get away with. There is no way to get the participants to engage in a sensible, substantive back and forth. It's all performance and I'm surprised that the Biden team thought their rules would change that.
Jake Tapper (after 🍊 blatantly LIES): “Thank you, Mr. PRESIDENT”
WTaF??? Joe also entered FIRST - he’s the f’n President of the United States for crying out LOUD!? Where were his ppl??? Also - At least Kaitlin Collins pushed back! This was a complete surrender to Reality TV. FULL STOP… AND - why is he NEVER ASKED where his HEALTHCARE PLAN is?? F*k this guy and his infinite ‘passes’ 🤢‼️
Pres Biden is not a threat to make critical decisions on his own. The orange clown always does. So, how about the Biden administration vs the criminal administration? Isn't that the real choice?
Lawrence ODonnell points out that nothing in a president’s actual job requires him or her to explain policies or decisions in two minutes. Or to decide big questions without information and discussion with his staff of advisers.The only emergency a president experienced that called for immediate action in the moment was the one Trump faced on Jan. 6, 2021. He did nothing he had the power to do for 187 minutes. He should have been asked, “What were you doing in those 187 minutes and why?”
Responding unprovoked attacks on my comments is trolling? I never threw the first stone, Weber. What time is it in your time zone? It's getting late and you're sundowning again.
You mean by all the work he's done for America not only cleaning up Trump's disaster but also pushing forward with his own changes? Why don't you back your pointless comment up with something we can talk about, like what specifically he's doing or not doing that makes you feel that way
No I mean how he doesnt fight for us during debates and outside of debates. Calling trump out as breaking the record for most lies during a debate is low hanging fruit..and while true, I thought Biden could be better at verbal judo and kill Trump with heavier substance..call him out more on his corruption and how he misled America during Covid and how he tired to cover up and hide the classified documents and remind him how he was impeached twice and convicted of 34 felony counts and really remind viewers of who they were dealing with since the moderators were not doing their jobs and calling out all the lies. Now go back to your terranium and give yourself a pat on the back
You have a lot of helpful suggestions for a guy who has always been a poor debater. My suggestion is you go to a slaughter pen and suggest that the pigs fly.
Did you read any articles discussing Trump's using the Gish Galloping technique, which is particularly problematic for stutterers? And, he is not supposed to "fight" for us, he is supposed to run the country for us. Not the same thing. Treating the debates like watching a sports show where your team had a loss is totally inappropriate. So, perhaps you should just be loyal to the team, and understand that you win some and you lose some, especially with the press against you and allowing your opponent to get away with what they do not let you get away with. Your anger is misplaced. There was no moderating of the debate, as if they were in the area entertaining the Romans, and the people who were supposed to be moderating were letting it get bloody. Why would you allow this fickle, undemocratic press, which is not independent, manipulate you like the press has been manipulated under "Strong men" fascists and their henchmen in the last century?
Good point, Linda! Where is he supposed to ‘fight’ - riding into battle on horseback? Same with ‘we’re losing our country - it’s going straight to hell’… just scare tactics. Our economy is leading the world. PUSH BACK on this crazy talk - my g-d…
I never asked for you reply or comment. I simply made a comment without any open end questions...I dont need attention but I do respoond back to keyboard warriors like you . Are you sure you're not Qannon?
Who is "he"? In this format, unless you scroll back up it is dificult to tell, mind you, I do the same, and have had to retrain myself to make comments more clear.
They are!! To me it seems the pecking order is; Xi,Un and Putin bully Trump,Trump bullies the GOP,the GOP bullies the mainstream media. I'm an old coot,we knew how to deal with bullies....
Actually, I'm starting to think that people like us are the only ones who really count. Don't get caught up in the media hysteria, whoever brings it. And I'm hoping that there are a lot of voters who can cut through all the BS and see what really matters.
I am voting AGAINST Donnie Diaperstench and his MAGA/GQP and will encourage anyone and everyone to do the same. I don't care about debates; I care about democracy, women's reproductive rights, and the future of this country. That's the bottom line. Nothing else is important.
Lawrence being a Boston guy knows the deal never give in or give a friggen shit about phony part time friends.you stick to you’re guns and beliefs ☘️ how about them Celts !? Did they shit the bed after getting the shit kicked outa them in one game? NOWAY ! Came roaring back that’s how to be a champ !
Might be time to find an alternative, MSNBC looked like the Titanic on Thursday, Friday and probably today. They found the iceberg and jumped on it like it was free money, I myself can barely watch the blather. TV is genuinely a vast wasteland as predicted a half a century ago.
The 24 hour news cycle always requires content,so I believe most of it is filler...and crap. The network evening news casts were 15 minutes long for a while,execs at the time were worried 30 minutes of news were too much for Americans to handle. Ugh. Sometimes when I was kid I'd be up late for some reason,the 4 channels I got would shut down,and play the National Anthem,if I still wasn't sleepy, I'd read a book...OH THE HUMANITY!!
There’s plenty of alternatives ! Try reading, substack is like cable for readers or radio, NPR, BBC, WNYC is where you will find insightful ‘journalism’ ! Expand your universe, you provide the pictures in your head.
I subscribe to MSNBC and CNN via Hulu, ONLY to have them available when something big happens. I can’t stand the everyday inane blather packed in between the 10-minute ad blocks.
I turned them off after the debate. I lost a lot of respect for Alex Wagner, Joy Reid. And even Nicole Wallace. Just throw in the towel why don't you? Thank goodness President Joe bounced back and showed everyone his fire. You get knocked down, you get right back up. That's a winner an a leader. BTW, Nicolle redeemed herself in my eyes when she ran that clip.
I do love his bit about Dumbass Donny’s dopey dance he does at his rallies where he pumps his arms up and down. Maher says he looks like he’s jerking off two guys at the same time.
bringing down the thread to you low IQ level is never a good thing. What did I ever do to you besides ask if Rachel was there. That kind of response is very MAGA relatable. Why are you a POS? Your family must grow tired of your lethargy and decay. You sound like a horrible human being. Go fly your MAGA flad.
Bernie Sanders was in central Wisconsin on Friday…(day after debate)…calling Trump a pathological liar and many more complaints. And then said President Biden did not do a good job but then listed many accomplishments made since Joe took office. Several young people were walking around asking for volunteers for Biden- knocking on doors, phone calls etc. There were about 650 in attendance in the pouring rain… and not one protester… lots of boos for little donny fuckface and cheers for our President!
Not even worthy of wrapping dead fish. Being a ‘media’ company isn’t as easy as being a ‘newspaper’, which are basically all dead or owned by right wing idiots. TV is even worse, my god the horror.
What’s that host of ABC This Week, the one that’s neither Steph and nor Martha, that wombat looking mother? Anyway, he just said The NY Times is calling for Biden to quit, and the Times is an ally of Biden. 🤪🤪🤣🤪
Who is the host of ABC’s This Week who is neither Steph nor Martha? The one who looks like a wombat? Anyway, he just described the NYT’s call for Biden as coming from NY Times, “an ally of President Biden” 😂😂🤪😂
If I could give it up, I would. I worked as an editorial designer at the Boston Globe in the 80’s. Those were the good days of newspapers. Then NYT bought it.
Lived around the corner from the Globe on Freeport had some friends that worked there for years! My uncle Jack lived right behind it on Sydney st. Small world 🌎 was once a decent rag .
Nah! These guys were pressmen and labors no College grads in the neighborhood until our kids .A few of them worked there for 40 years or better don’t want to put names out there they’re still kicking and I wouldn’t want to invade their privacy,but the place would have collapsed into Dorchester Bay without them ,and all the Union tradesmen the Globe always hired . Good paper back in the 60’s&70s and80’s you probably knew them to say Hi 👋 good guys and girls!
Ahhhh... I laughed. (Bobby McBrainworms Junior... he really did that? 🤣🤣) I cried. Another great summary of stupid. Honestly, I'm scared to death about November. So much is at stake. Like Jeff says...we have to outvote this cult. We need to tell people: It's either Democracy or Dictatorship. Do you ever want to vote again? Then vote accordingly.
I would also ask them.... what has the Republican party done to make your life better? NOTHING!
Seeing those poor trapped black businessmen at the at the barber shop made me think that one day Trump might hold a rally at a one of his migrant concentration camps.
When you are totally disconnected from Earth One you can come up with some pretty spectacular shit.
For some reason the media hasn't caught on that Trumpy is using paid actors at staged events...but pretty sure most Democrats have, despite the media standing in the pouring rain,and telling you it's sunny and clear.
I have seen the Craigslist ads from areas with up-coming Trump rallies. I've seen it at least twice, the latest for his rally on June 9th in Las Vegas.
Advertised under "event gigs." 3-4 hours of "marketing promo." Must wear "Trump branded gear" and hold up a sign. $75 plus another $50 if you end up on TV.
I only have a screenshot (which it will not let me post here) so I don't have a link to the ad.
Wow! He has to pay people to show up at his rallies. I knew he paid actors for his first announcement at Trump Tower, but this should be announced far and wide.
I think the 'Meidas Touch Network' has at least 3 vids of the same African American woman at Trump events Arne, she's a paid GOP operative,along with 6 fingered AI folks,and palm trees in Brooklyn.
I noticed that one fellow tried to ask Dumpster a question, but the orange menace just steamrollered (is that a word? Well, it is now) right over him with his endless spewing of nonsense and lies. Those poor men - I feel sorry for them.
CNN's moderators had something stolen from them as they didn't moderate at all. Maybe the Gish gallop got them too.
Chump is only going to get worse. He was worse 78 years ago they say. Battered women know a "man" like him. He won't leave them alone and is liable to do something terrible if he is not stopped now. America, we are that woman.
CNN pushing back on their fact-check-free moderating: “We did so too fact-check! We had this guy counting all of Donnie’s lies, and he read them out loud, after everyone had turned off the TV and gone to bed!”
The media,and right-wing,spend most of their time on 'whataboutisms'...one guy's been babbling like a deranged moron for months about sharks, batteries and Hannibal Lecter...and one guy had a bad debate and night...for the media these days, they're the same.
Hadn’t heard half these stories - thanks for the sunlight, Jeff☀️ And remember: they pulled this ‘feeble-one-foot-in-the-grave crapola w/HRC. Don’t let them get any traction this time! WE’RE FAMILIAR W/THAT PLAYBOOK IN 2024
And let’s face it -“but-her-emails” and BENGHAZI worked SO well, they’re trying to ‘Benghazi’ Hunter!!! We need to just LAUGH OUT LOUD IN THEIR FACES - because unfortunately PROPAGANDA WORKS 😓‼️
The media failed with Benghazi as well because the real blame for the Benghazi tragedy is squarely on the Republicans’ shoulders. Obama had asked for funding to increase security at American consulates and other facilities at serious risk in the Middle East and Republicans refused to approve it. WHY have the media not made a big stink about that? The same belligerent attitude by Rs occurred when the outgoing Clinton admin warned that Intel reported chatter discussing Bin Laden’s plan to use commercial airplanes to commit a terrorist attack in the U.S., when the Bush admin chose to ignore it.
The media also said virtually nothing about the Bush admin using private servers provided by the RNC. The Bush admin also deleted 22 million emails but the press let that go as well. And Colin Powell’s personal AOL account had classified documents and was hacked several times. But the media yawned at that, too. I can go on but you get my point.
Funny how Dems could never get on top of that story… and have zero pushback counter-media machine after 40 years of Rush THEN Fox????!!!! Even MSNBC anchors Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace were Republicans!!!!
For me, YouTube,the Meidas Touch network, Democracy Watch and Docket,Brian Tyler Cohen and the Legal Breakdown,The Lincoln Project,IMO mainstream media has completely sold-out.
The NY Times and its publisher deserve nothing but contempt. I laugh at how LoserTrump continues to convince his cult followers that the Eastern media is all against him and 'fake news." The FACT is that the Wash PO, CNN, and The NYT with their whataboutism and "both sides are nice people" are his biggest enablers and supporters. On a noble level, everyone that works for these organizations needs to reflect on their choices, and on a practical level, they need to be concerned about their jobs with the falling revenue and cancellations due to their self-inflicted irrelevancy.
The so-called journalists and editors also need to fear for their jobs if TRump gets back into office. Remember Hitler? Yeah, he got rid of all media except for state media...
Remember the iron curtain? How about that again. There will be no more X, Facebook or any other social media. Not in America anyway. We will have to go in hiding to get our news and information.
Sadly, killing Xitter (prononce the "x" as "sh") and Facebook, as a source of news sounds pretty good to me, I want to see a return to actual journalistic standards. That said watching the rise of authoritarianism is scary. Thank goodness they are tech dinosaurs.
President Biden didn't "need" to debate, whatsoever. Just leave it that a person of his dignity need not enter a room where the stench of a felonious rapist is present. BIG mistake on the part of the DNC!
In 2020 Trump had COVID and sickened most his staff at the debate,and almost killed Chris Christie,(He's my guy!! Still voting for him!!),his nepo-baby crime family refused to wear masks to support Daddy Warbucks.
That’s what I heard initially. Also, pundits are mad bc they predicted Joes ‘decline’ before this and it hasn’t happened. So they are both embarrassed AND needing content for their shows 😐😠😤
To me the next question is, Should Biden agree to another debate? I don't think so--not unless some provision is made to identify and refute Trump's lies in real time. And Biden shouldn't be required to do that. Asking Person B to fact-check the (endless) lies of Person A is like requiring the Ravens' offense to monitor and call penalties against the Giants' defense. An actual game is not possible under those circumstances. And even if Biden could and did say, "You said X. That's a lie. In fact, blah blah. You also said Y. That's a lie. The truth is..." and so on, viewers would be entitled to think, "Well, that's what Biden says. How do we know he's right?"
The fact is, you can't have a debate--or even one of these election year quasi-debates--if one of the participants does nothing but lie. The thing the other night was a farce. Biden's main mistake was to have taken it seriously. Oh, and CNN can go fuck itself at its earliest opportunity.
Biden agreed to two debates, so if he backed out of the second one, that would be pretty bad optics, like he had something to hide. I think he has no choice but to power through it
I just hope that the debate with ABC will be earlier in the day. Hell, I go to bed around 9:00 and I'm pretty muddleheaded after that. and I'm only 62. At Biden's rally on Friday in North Carolina he was on fire! He just had a really bad night as well as a bad cold with laryngitis. I'm still voting for Joe Biden and will continue to phone bank for him, as I have been for the last 6 months. All I know is, that the vast majority of people I've spoken with all over their country, from all different party affiliations, are voting for Biden. This one debate is not going to change their minds. #VoteALLBlue2024
Okay. Then what he should do is, as soon as Trump starts talking, Biden should ignore him and, on his allowed pad with his allowed pen, draw a Trump Bingo Card of all the topics Trump will--inevitably, dependably--lie about: immigrants, the economy, Ukraine, Covid, NATO, abortion, etc. Then hold it up when Trump lies and tick it off until he gets a BINGO, and keep doing it throughout. If the moderators don't fact-check Trump, Biden shouldn't respect the process.
I don't think the Biden of the other night is capable of what I just described. But surely he and his people can change his approach. He said, "It's hard to debate a liar." That's true. So don't "debate" him. Dismiss what he says quickly--to the audience, not to him--and say what you want to say. And don't feel you have to fill the allotted time. Remember that Trump is not there to debate. He's there to lie and make a debate impossible.
The problem, as you say, is Biden is an old school politician, who respects the office and takes his job seriously. And Tangerine toddler is a whiny baby, who gets love from his flock by complaining like a common Rush Limpblob (who is still dead.) They never offer solutions because they don't have any, just grievances, mostly imaginary.
True, but even saying they never offer solutions is sort of beside the point. It's like saying that, when Godzilla destroys Tokyo, "he's not helping solve the affordable housing crisis." To Trump, Limbaugh, and every Republican on earth, it's all about money, and the power to manipulate government in the service of getting more money.
Like it ! Let it be known beforehand that he will not respond to any lies ! He can then stand there and pick his teeth not saying one friggen word….point made 🖕
Biden can insist on many changes in the format of the debate, format of monitors. Also, he needs different debate people who prep him. Their understanding of everything was all wrong.
Jeff's right about news media group-think. This event was not a debate. The next face-off event will not be a debate. A "DEBATE" requires two sides who speak in GOOD FAITH. Seriously addressing and discussing REAL issues. Donald doesn't speak or think in GOOD FAITH. So what we got was one guy trying to talk about issues in GOOD FAITH and the other guy was talking lies and gibberish--in BAD FAITH. Pretty darn simple analysis. Why don't the geniuses at NYT and CNN relate this simple truth to their audiences? They must keep up the con that the Orange Conman is legit (against all evidence to the contrary) to keep the eyeballs/cash flow.
We have a Russian Mole in the United States. His name is Donald J Trump. Donald J Trump was our Presidential Accident in 2015 and is a Traitor and America’s Disgrace. In case you haven’t been LISTENING to what Trump has been saying, if he is reelected, he will withdraw US support for Ukraine, he will withdraw the US from NATO and will give Putin the green light to take over Ukraine. I thought we are supposed to arrest, prosecute, convict and execute traitors, not reelect them.
I've read two books (and there are more) on Fraud Traitor Trump's laundering of money through his condos - money from Russian Oligarchs and Mafia, all under Putin's direction. (I also read Heather's substack.)
I’d like to apply some originalist thinking to this issue the SCOTUS is all about it ! It goes this way if the Supreme Court ,the GOP MEMBERS OF CONGRESS and all of their MAGGAT EXTREMIST follows were acting like they are doing now when the Constitution was being drafted by the originalist authors they would be undoubtedly considered traitors ,and swiftly executed ,exiled , totally reviled by the originalist writers of the constitution that they are attempting to overthrow once again ! Or is the history That I was taught just fake history that never happened the way it’s been taught for damn near 250 years?The new history of The GOP ,OLIGARCHY and DONALD TRUMP is what we all need to assimilate to be good citizens,at least that is what our kids and grandchildren are going to be taught if this pack of traitorous criminals are empowered , so be prepared if you vote for the right wing lying scum of Donald Trumps alternate reality! Your descendants will piss on your grave !
"still carrying a childish grudge because Joe won’t agree to the interview that Sulz feels is his birthright, he’s getting to wreak his revenge." It is absolutely SICKENING. I was surprised and pleased to read that Jamal Bouie argued in his editorial in the NYT, that it would be an enormous mistake for the Dems to change horses midstream. (P.S. I canceled with the NYT some months ago. I read his editorial in "Raw Story" today.)
I went to bed Thursday night somewhat despondent about President Biden’s debate performance. I reluctantly stuck to my plan to go to the post-debate rally on Friday on the Raleigh fairgrounds. I’m very glad I did. The president acknowledged he was not at his best. He did not anger-tweet unhinged messages during the night about a rigged debate. He didn’t insult the moderators and imply retribution. He did not stand at the podium and whine about how mean and unfair everyone is. He didn’t accuse his opponent of taking illegal drugs. He accepted responsibility and vowed to “get back up” and fight another day.
I saw and heard a fiery speech about the importance of fighting for our democracy from a man who deeply cares about our country. I wish he had brought that passion and clarity to the debate, but he didn’t. I do have concerns about his age and stamina for such a demanding and overwhelming job, but I have no doubt that President Biden is far more capable and moral to lead our country than the man who serves only himself.
I'm sick and tired of everyone losing their shit and trying to replace Biden. He's fighting FOR us, not himself. Back him up, and work on getting those that didn't typically vote to go out and vote!
Ditto. A day after the debate, Biden had a hell of a strong comeback in North Carolina. He said he had been dealing a sore throat as the demented dipshit did what he always does and lied his ass off. One difficult debate performance isn't a legitimate reason to bail as Sen. Fetterman emphasized yesterday. Once again, the media has it's priorities back asswards and needs to focus on the real and present danger who continues with his hateful, destructive, no solutions to anything platform.
Obama, Reagan, GW Bush and Clinton all had disastrous early debates (& ALL bounced back and WON) - YET WE CONTINUE to help memory-hole those facts. Geezus we’re LAME 🤬
Also MANY R’s didn’t want Reagan to run the second time - (age) and he won in a landslide… be nice if Dems reminded ppl of our own history…💁♀️🇺🇸
I don't recall Obama ever having a disastrous debate
The fact that no one remembers shows how unimportant these ‘debates’ are in the big picture, really… Plus Hilary kicked 🍊ass multiple times and what did that get her?
1st Romney debate. Romney totally Gish-galloped him… I think it was in Denver & Obama had just flown in that day… so they blamed it on his being off-balance due to altitude… (fact- check, pls!)
The first one was a bomb. Although no one remembers that now. One debate does not a campaign make. This, too, will be forgotten.
This isn't the same ffs. Obama didn't look vacant-eyed, slack-jawed at all, let alone most of the debate like Joe did. He didn't talk gibberish several times like Joe did. People aren't going to forget this, it's going to be played ad nauseum for 4 months, they don't even need to include the audio, just the video is damning. I'll vote for Joe even if he's in a coma, but all we need are a few thousand independents and undecideds in a few states to stay home based on that performance. I already know of a couple of democratic acquaintances who were horrified and say they can't bring themselves to vote for that, even as they won't vote for Trump. I don't have the answers, but acting like the debate wasn't the huge dumpster fire that it was is delusional at best, gaslighting at worst. No debate in history was worse than this for one candidate. The worst part is that his horrific performance took away from the fact that Trump lied constantly and no one even noticed.
I completely agree, but the deluded people here just abused me like good MAGATs would have. I know what I’ve seen over the last year and the other night. BTW those are more than one data point geniuses. It wasn’t good and the MAGATs will exploit it for the next several months. Oh and changing the subject to Trump the dumpster fire is not addressing the elephant in the room. It is pure deflection. The MAGATs do that too.
Find better Democrats for friends.
The only ones with memory loss are MSM and pundits.
Lowest-watched presidential debate on record. (Joe rallied back yesterday - so more ppl might see those clips. New playing field :)
In fact, someone said it was like the Biden team missed an easy layup - then made a half-court shot!😆🇺🇸
And hopefully, he will keep hitting those shots.
Maybe CNN can attach their delayed FACT CHECK clip to the original DEBATE CLIP 😼
Those clips need to go viral. Why isn't the campaign spreading and posting them everywhere? 🤦🏻♀️
The only place I saw that rally in full was on MSNBC, so it just played to the faithful. Plus, he had a teleprompter like at the State of the Union. Someone on The Weekend this morning said that a leader should be based on his worst performance. Do you really want to wonder if he's having an "off night" if a catastrophic emergency happens and he needs to make a quick decision? I'm not saying Trump would be better, he'd probably be in a Big Mac coma or jacked up on Adderall, but Wes Moore, or Gretchen Whitmer, or Gavin Newsom, or Kamala Harris (although she's widely disliked, which I don't get), or Josh Shapiro would.
No one can succeed in life without a great team.
Do not forget the players on trump's team.
Do not forget every a-hole trump nominated to the supreme court and how important those nominations are.
He was using a teleprompter in NC and did just fine. Off script he, like Trump, actuallly, has problems if in a different way. I'd like to see him out there addressing crowds and, after his prepared talks, get down and interact with him. He's in his element with people.
Very much so. He's a people person unlike like his demented opponent who only uses them.
If he does get out and about among his people, I'm sure he could win waverers back into the fold.
He’s already proven himself - SICK of this - just tell ppl to F-off and stay confident
Trump can’t even read the teleprompter most of the time.
"Can't even read," therein lies the problem.
The media’s priorities are their bottom line. Period. They make a lot more money by doing whatever they can to get that former guy elected, and because he has made it clear that fascism will be our new national religion, their bottom line will explode into the stratosphere.
Plus their business model is collapsing… more good luck/timing for 🍊🤬
Rus.Bots could be amplifying the ‘Step Down Joe’ echo-pressure online - DON’T FALL FOR IT - the DNC should be talking about this ‼️🔥
Of course they are! It's so obvious.
Not everyone is vigilant / paying attention… gotta keep hammering the message that THIS IS NOT NORMAL🔥
Wish the Joe Biden of NC had showed up for the debate 😞
The fact checkers went to work by the next day--too little, too late. No one could have coped with the gusher of lies and misrepresentations spewed by Trump. We needed an on the spot fact check. CNN was an epic fail.
CNN were collaborators of Team Trump all the way. Ugh!
I quit CNN a long time ago.
I quit when they fired Don Lemon, because a republican asshole bought them.
They sucked. Might as well have been Fox News.
They didn’t “manage” anything. They let Donny rant & rave & not answer the question
Does this look like a criminal enterprise? A conspiracy to steal by Deception?
Why don't Jake and Dana and the CNN investigative reporters blow the lid on this bunch of crooks? Their own reporters have scratched the surface. Now it's time for every legit Press platform to call bullshit on the legitimacy of Trump World. Reveal that it is all a Money Scam.
Roger Stone--April,, 2016--Founds the money scam "Stop the Steal" and steals from the donors.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/26/politics/roger-stone-january-6-documentary-film/index.html
Steve Bannon--Founds the money scam "Build the Wall" and steals from the donors.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/steve-bannon-new-york-criminal-fraud-trial-judge-trump/index.html
Donald pardons his inner circle of crime lords. Morally implicates himself. Mass media press ignores his wrongdoing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55433522
Donald and his boys and co-conspirators in the Trump Organization are convicted for Business Fraud--$400 million plus in ill-gotten-gains.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/f203be39-020c-4f82-a423-96aa20c08e3a.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_3
So. Why does the legit press ignore the wrong doing by the Trump World Crime Gang? Overlook their stealing by deception and lies. Since when in America are crooks granted deference and respect by the Press, especially while they are in the process of committing more crimes? This is an historic failure by the Fourth Estate.
One reason he wants another term is so that he can pardon himself of his federal crimes.
Read Bill Browder. Donald could emulate Putin so a self-pardon would be unnecessary. If he controls the justice system and the courts (lots of high windows and balconies for disloyal judges and their families) he would never be prosecuted anyway. The RNC is already floating the idea that the Executive Branch should rule over the Judicial and Legislative branches. Gotta think in terms of a Mafia Boss in the Oval Office. Who needs a self pardon if you're the King? (Patrick Henry warned of this almost 250 years ago.)
He wants "immunity" to avoid prosecution for his Jan 6 conspiracy. But he can also use it for political cover if he gains the WH again. "The Supreme Court said I can break any law I want."
Yes, it was deliberately bad, so Orangina will come back on, because his insanity freak show is ratings gold. The MSM normalizing his candidacy are the reason we got stuck with that criminal squatting in our white house.
T H I S. 👆
I’d like to know why they didn’t ask trump to tell us about Project 2025.
I agree inexcusable on CNNs part
The orange sociopath has repeatedly told the same lies over and over and over again at his hate rallies, can spew them at a moments notice in response to any question or statement without regard to the veracity or logic. That is what we witnessed, a memorized and practiced spiel, not a person whose faculties were working better during the debate. I’m sick of the discussion of Biden’s age. The Sociopathic Hate Monger is an equally old man as Biden. Older people’s brains are not the same, one to the other! Biden’s brain has been doing cognitive exercise, problem solving, information sorting, etc. for all these years - while the Pathological Liar’s brain has been in decline intellectually since early adulthood. No arguments here about both of their terrible debate performance, but if I were up against a torrent of bullshit without any real moderator questions to interrupt or guide the truth, I would get foggy and lose my train of thought. Yet, the media hasn’t been talking about the terrible performance of a pathological, fascist, demento bullshitting every single word that comes out of his mouth. Why isn’t this seen as a humongous failure by all journalists and reported in that context daily? No ONE has successfully challenged Orange Vonshitzinpantz when he’s suffocating us with lies except twice with just one reporter and a single lie in the last 8 years. None of the moderators have successfully handled a pathological liar in the debate format. The horrible follow up has been the colluding media that ignores the main threat of a sociopath (supported by idiots) and spends hours and hours taking down anyone who tries to confront Donald the Menace. The talk about Biden’s age without saying that both of them are old is how you know that the media has lost its way. It’s complete neglect and stupidity that news organizations do not repeatedly and hourly emphasize the dangers of trump and his enablers with their pathological lies. They are destroying us too.
Read what Prof. Ruth Ben-Ghait had to say today as well.
https://lucid.substack.com/p/a-debate-that-reveals-our-surreal
As an expert on fascism, which unfortunately we are all becoming, she already had predicted that Trump would do well in such a forum because it would play into what he wanted to accomplish before the debate. https://lucid.substack.com/p/trump-is-using-tonights-debate-to
I am reading her book Strongmen: How They Rise, How They Succeed, How They Fail. She wrote it while Trump was president. I cannot wait to read a later version that talks about how Trump and Putin fail. Speaking of Trump and Putin, why is it HCR who is talking about the symbiotic relationship between those two fascists instead of the NYT? https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-28-2024
Again I return to my moniker of Treacherous-treasonous-traitorous-Trump!
Gee, I sure hope all of you NYT readers cancel your subscriptions, perhaps for 4-5 months, and tell them why you canceled. Why not sacrifice a bit to send a clear message to Sulzberger? Hey NYT, you are complicit in the rise of fascism in these United States!
And no lame fucking excuses about liking their recipe, or puzzles section, the internet is full of those sites, don't pay the enemies of democracy for them.
I concluded early on that the old debate format was outmoded and ineffective. It encourages exactly the kind of gish-in that Trump was able to get away with. There is no way to get the participants to engage in a sensible, substantive back and forth. It's all performance and I'm surprised that the Biden team thought their rules would change that.
I will assume Biden's team learned something. It will be different than what Trump's team learned.
Jake Tapper (after 🍊 blatantly LIES): “Thank you, Mr. PRESIDENT”
WTaF??? Joe also entered FIRST - he’s the f’n President of the United States for crying out LOUD!? Where were his ppl??? Also - At least Kaitlin Collins pushed back! This was a complete surrender to Reality TV. FULL STOP… AND - why is he NEVER ASKED where his HEALTHCARE PLAN is?? F*k this guy and his infinite ‘passes’ 🤢‼️
"Donald the Menace" is going on my long list of Trump monikers.
He reminds me of Dennis the Menace with that hair.. and the menace part.
Pls consider: ‘Donald The Entertainer’ and Trojan Horse!
Agreed!! If the moderators weren't supposed to intervene in the debate,why are they there?? Just overpaid cue card holders IMO.
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Yes !
Agreed! Jeff has once again encapsulated why I no longer subscribe to the NYT.
I cancelled my subscription after their outrageous editorial after the debate. I’m no longer supporting that crock.
I never subscribed
And why no one should.
Hear hear! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Pres Biden is not a threat to make critical decisions on his own. The orange clown always does. So, how about the Biden administration vs the criminal administration? Isn't that the real choice?
if he's fighting for us, he sure has an odd way of showing it
He’s only human… (watch his NC speech from yesterday) - masterful ✨
https://youtu.be/OHJoewM3WfU?si=KVnpE0KFIDtFSGkb
Here’s the link to Biden’s speech in North Carolina.
I suggest reading The Hopium Chronicles Substack also.
Lawrence ODonnell points out that nothing in a president’s actual job requires him or her to explain policies or decisions in two minutes. Or to decide big questions without information and discussion with his staff of advisers.The only emergency a president experienced that called for immediate action in the moment was the one Trump faced on Jan. 6, 2021. He did nothing he had the power to do for 187 minutes. He should have been asked, “What were you doing in those 187 minutes and why?”
Touché 🔥🔥🔥
Im not referring to North Carolina , Lord thundern Jesus, calm TF down
This guy is obviously an attention seeking troll. Let's all just label his comments “attention seeking troll.” and not interact.
Responding unprovoked attacks on my comments is trolling? I never threw the first stone, Weber. What time is it in your time zone? It's getting late and you're sundowning again.
Take your hydroxychloroquine.
R’s immediately close ranks around 🍊- indictments, felonies, adultery. We can cover a sub-par debate amirite
You mean by all the work he's done for America not only cleaning up Trump's disaster but also pushing forward with his own changes? Why don't you back your pointless comment up with something we can talk about, like what specifically he's doing or not doing that makes you feel that way
Keep posting your foolish nonsense as we bear witness to your constant state of ignorance
No I mean how he doesnt fight for us during debates and outside of debates. Calling trump out as breaking the record for most lies during a debate is low hanging fruit..and while true, I thought Biden could be better at verbal judo and kill Trump with heavier substance..call him out more on his corruption and how he misled America during Covid and how he tired to cover up and hide the classified documents and remind him how he was impeached twice and convicted of 34 felony counts and really remind viewers of who they were dealing with since the moderators were not doing their jobs and calling out all the lies. Now go back to your terranium and give yourself a pat on the back
You seem nice.
I bet he’s loads of fun at parties.
Oh yeah. Everyone wants him on New Years. 🤣🤣🤣
Im too grown up for partys <SIC> Parties *
Carry on, I don't want to tax you too much, here.
I am nice to smart people
Your negativity isn't helping. And "too old to go to parties?!? What does that even mean?
You have a lot of helpful suggestions for a guy who has always been a poor debater. My suggestion is you go to a slaughter pen and suggest that the pigs fly.
There is no doubt you are a few bricks short of a load.
I'm sure you have a brain, most likely just a dried up bean in there but it could have jumped at one time.
Says a man who presents his credentials as having had his picture taken with Obama.
I have a PhD and am currently working on a project on ancient Greek etymology, so your diagnostic skills are super sharp.
BTW, I have no doubt you are quite aware of your ability to provoke people.
I am actually impressed that you spelled out your criticisms of Biden, because most provocateurs don't bother.
*doesn’t
*tried
Also, punctuation is your friend!
Did you read any articles discussing Trump's using the Gish Galloping technique, which is particularly problematic for stutterers? And, he is not supposed to "fight" for us, he is supposed to run the country for us. Not the same thing. Treating the debates like watching a sports show where your team had a loss is totally inappropriate. So, perhaps you should just be loyal to the team, and understand that you win some and you lose some, especially with the press against you and allowing your opponent to get away with what they do not let you get away with. Your anger is misplaced. There was no moderating of the debate, as if they were in the area entertaining the Romans, and the people who were supposed to be moderating were letting it get bloody. Why would you allow this fickle, undemocratic press, which is not independent, manipulate you like the press has been manipulated under "Strong men" fascists and their henchmen in the last century?
Good point, Linda! Where is he supposed to ‘fight’ - riding into battle on horseback? Same with ‘we’re losing our country - it’s going straight to hell’… just scare tactics. Our economy is leading the world. PUSH BACK on this crazy talk - my g-d…
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You are talking about Trump, aren’t you?
Do you need some tutorials?
What is wrong with you? Seriously.
He's an attention seeking troll. That's what's wrong with him.
I never asked for you reply or comment. I simply made a comment without any open end questions...I dont need attention but I do respoond back to keyboard warriors like you . Are you sure you're not Qannon?
what is the problem? Am I supposed to just roll over and get attacked online? You people are worse than MAGAs
They are. But they don’t see it.
Who is "he"? In this format, unless you scroll back up it is dificult to tell, mind you, I do the same, and have had to retrain myself to make comments more clear.
I was shocked, shocked that MSNBC took the bait and looked so forlorn. Get a backbone, you’re the only mainstream media I can rely on!
it's groupthink. the media loves to have A Narrative
They’re complying in advance. Media are scared shitless of Trump.
They are!! To me it seems the pecking order is; Xi,Un and Putin bully Trump,Trump bullies the GOP,the GOP bullies the mainstream media. I'm an old coot,we knew how to deal with bullies....
As to media people being afraid of Trump. With good reason. If he gets in? Retribution?
Exactly. Which means All Of ‘Em, Katie
There will be one, state-owned media outlet.
I think we've learned with Trump,what you imagined?? It'll be much worse...
The so-called mainstream media loves clickbait. They're making more money that way. Creepy fkrs.
The NYT (same guys who printed the "Hitler is just misunderstood editorial in 1938) stated it is not their 'job' to defend democracy!
Well, the NY Times is doing a great job destroying democracy. That's for sure.
Yes, probably over clickbait and taxcuts for the sick owner.
I guess if they don’t ‘weigh in’ on the narrative- they look out of touch… and when they DO weigh in = manufactured consent builds… 😓😩
All they had to say is that it was a *sh@tshow” and then analyze why. That are usually so good at that.
https://youtu.be/GgjyHwQOUoo?si=xuVLlNcNiZrJ9YEl
Lawrence O’Donnell continues his be the voice of reason.
Actually, I'm starting to think that people like us are the only ones who really count. Don't get caught up in the media hysteria, whoever brings it. And I'm hoping that there are a lot of voters who can cut through all the BS and see what really matters.
I am voting AGAINST Donnie Diaperstench and his MAGA/GQP and will encourage anyone and everyone to do the same. I don't care about debates; I care about democracy, women's reproductive rights, and the future of this country. That's the bottom line. Nothing else is important.
I’m with you ! Less bullshit, more substance
🎯Yes, bodily autonomy, and human rights are more important than whining the president is not perfect.
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Lawrence being a Boston guy knows the deal never give in or give a friggen shit about phony part time friends.you stick to you’re guns and beliefs ☘️ how about them Celts !? Did they shit the bed after getting the shit kicked outa them in one game? NOWAY ! Came roaring back that’s how to be a champ !
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Thank for the link. I shut down the teevee just as he started to speak. Too depressed to watch anymore.
I refused the watch it.
TY I was just looking for that! :)
Might be time to find an alternative, MSNBC looked like the Titanic on Thursday, Friday and probably today. They found the iceberg and jumped on it like it was free money, I myself can barely watch the blather. TV is genuinely a vast wasteland as predicted a half a century ago.
TBF it was ever thus. When it was introduced in the 1928 World's Fair a reporter said "You have just invented the greatest time waster in history."
The 24 hour news cycle always requires content,so I believe most of it is filler...and crap. The network evening news casts were 15 minutes long for a while,execs at the time were worried 30 minutes of news were too much for Americans to handle. Ugh. Sometimes when I was kid I'd be up late for some reason,the 4 channels I got would shut down,and play the National Anthem,if I still wasn't sleepy, I'd read a book...OH THE HUMANITY!!
They pissed me off in the post-debate and proceeded to turn by BP up to 15 the next morning.😡😡
No one cares what you think, asshole. See how did that sound?
There is no alternative to MSNBC.
There’s plenty of alternatives ! Try reading, substack is like cable for readers or radio, NPR, BBC, WNYC is where you will find insightful ‘journalism’ ! Expand your universe, you provide the pictures in your head.
If you want actual news of America, try the Guardian. It's amazing the stories they cover of all types of general news that we NEVER see here.
Agreed on the Guardian !
Agree with tuning into all those!
Podcasts, too!!!
I subscribe to MSNBC and CNN via Hulu, ONLY to have them available when something big happens. I can’t stand the everyday inane blather packed in between the 10-minute ad blocks.
Odd, isn’t it
I turned them off after the debate. I lost a lot of respect for Alex Wagner, Joy Reid. And even Nicole Wallace. Just throw in the towel why don't you? Thank goodness President Joe bounced back and showed everyone his fire. You get knocked down, you get right back up. That's a winner an a leader. BTW, Nicolle redeemed herself in my eyes when she ran that clip.
Jon Stewart, too 😣
He reached his sell by date in 2008.
And is definitely starting to wreek.
Yup! And don't get me started on Bill Maher.
The pompous misogynist. Ageist too, he hates anyone younger.
I do love his bit about Dumbass Donny’s dopey dance he does at his rallies where he pumps his arms up and down. Maher says he looks like he’s jerking off two guys at the same time.
He, or his writers, probably stole that from Tiedrich. Jeff has been saying that since the beginning.
Nobody can top Jeff in snark.
He’s been all about Biden’s age from day 1
His day is coming.
Swung right lately - sadly :/
Same here. I refused to listen to that nonsense.
Where was Rachel Maddow? did she take the night off or has she converted to MAGA like Andrea Mitchel and Katy Tur? Non Cable subs wanna know.
Tell non cable subs not to ask stupid questions.
not a stupid question. A discerning question. If you dont understand it you never will
She was listing all of the times 🍊 said things were ‘rigged’ - and she said ‘he won 2016 fair & square’…
😳 🦗🦗🦗
you have time code on that?
Was it last Monday…
She was there, asshole.😡😡
bringing down the thread to you low IQ level is never a good thing. What did I ever do to you besides ask if Rachel was there. That kind of response is very MAGA relatable. Why are you a POS? Your family must grow tired of your lethargy and decay. You sound like a horrible human being. Go fly your MAGA flad.
Bernie Sanders was in central Wisconsin on Friday…(day after debate)…calling Trump a pathological liar and many more complaints. And then said President Biden did not do a good job but then listed many accomplishments made since Joe took office. Several young people were walking around asking for volunteers for Biden- knocking on doors, phone calls etc. There were about 650 in attendance in the pouring rain… and not one protester… lots of boos for little donny fuckface and cheers for our President!
The 2 hours after the debate Biden fundraising was pretty significant.
Cult members dont go outside in the rain unless there’s free hot dogs, it will mess up they’re hats
That is so funny. I'm having a "visual" of red running down their empty faces.
Like Rudy’s hair dye after the 2020 election! 🤣🤣🤣
And Rudy...ugh.
They believe it’s the rinse cycle on the brainwashing machine ! Shit they might have to think for themselves!🫣🫠😵💫🤯
Actually there WERE free hot dogs!! 😁
Nation to NYT: Drop Dead.
Not even worthy of wrapping dead fish. Being a ‘media’ company isn’t as easy as being a ‘newspaper’, which are basically all dead or owned by right wing idiots. TV is even worse, my god the horror.
All of us with pet birds are indebted to it.
Took me a few seconds, then, as a former bird owner, a knowing chuckle 🤭
Yep, I don't know what my Lucky, a Green Cheeked Conure, would do without it. He's always correcting the paper, with Wite-out.
What’s that host of ABC This Week, the one that’s neither Steph and nor Martha, that wombat looking mother? Anyway, he just said The NY Times is calling for Biden to quit, and the Times is an ally of Biden. 🤪🤪🤣🤪
I know what you mean. I was doing a painting project the other day and asked myself "where is the newspaper?"'
What's a newspaper??...Just kidding...I can make a pretty wicked tri-corn hat if necessary.
Who is the host of ABC’s This Week who is neither Steph nor Martha? The one who looks like a wombat? Anyway, he just described the NYT’s call for Biden as coming from NY Times, “an ally of President Biden” 😂😂🤪😂
Nailed it friend.
If I could give it up, I would. I worked as an editorial designer at the Boston Globe in the 80’s. Those were the good days of newspapers. Then NYT bought it.
Lived around the corner from the Globe on Freeport had some friends that worked there for years! My uncle Jack lived right behind it on Sydney st. Small world 🌎 was once a decent rag .
I may know some of them if it was in the 80s and they were in editorial
Nah! These guys were pressmen and labors no College grads in the neighborhood until our kids .A few of them worked there for 40 years or better don’t want to put names out there they’re still kicking and I wouldn’t want to invade their privacy,but the place would have collapsed into Dorchester Bay without them ,and all the Union tradesmen the Globe always hired . Good paper back in the 60’s&70s and80’s you probably knew them to say Hi 👋 good guys and girls!
And tRUMP too!
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Ahhhh... I laughed. (Bobby McBrainworms Junior... he really did that? 🤣🤣) I cried. Another great summary of stupid. Honestly, I'm scared to death about November. So much is at stake. Like Jeff says...we have to outvote this cult. We need to tell people: It's either Democracy or Dictatorship. Do you ever want to vote again? Then vote accordingly.
I would also ask them.... what has the Republican party done to make your life better? NOTHING!
Exactly! What is it about the word subjugation that people don’t understand.
They seem to crave it, especially those who claim to be 'alphas'.
They’ve made young women’s life much worse, they now go into the obstetrician’s office with them.
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shave and a con job, two bits!
Seeing those poor trapped black businessmen at the at the barber shop made me think that one day Trump might hold a rally at a one of his migrant concentration camps.
When you are totally disconnected from Earth One you can come up with some pretty spectacular shit.
Yes, and at the concentration camp rally he'll throw bottles of water out to the parched masses.
Like he threw out paper towels in Puerto Rico after the storm. What a guy!
For some reason the media hasn't caught on that Trumpy is using paid actors at staged events...but pretty sure most Democrats have, despite the media standing in the pouring rain,and telling you it's sunny and clear.
Well, I have read that many times. No way to verify it that I know of.
I have seen the Craigslist ads from areas with up-coming Trump rallies. I've seen it at least twice, the latest for his rally on June 9th in Las Vegas.
Advertised under "event gigs." 3-4 hours of "marketing promo." Must wear "Trump branded gear" and hold up a sign. $75 plus another $50 if you end up on TV.
I only have a screenshot (which it will not let me post here) so I don't have a link to the ad.
Wow! He has to pay people to show up at his rallies. I knew he paid actors for his first announcement at Trump Tower, but this should be announced far and wide.
Thank you!!!
I think the 'Meidas Touch Network' has at least 3 vids of the same African American woman at Trump events Arne, she's a paid GOP operative,along with 6 fingered AI folks,and palm trees in Brooklyn.
I noticed that one fellow tried to ask Dumpster a question, but the orange menace just steamrollered (is that a word? Well, it is now) right over him with his endless spewing of nonsense and lies. Those poor men - I feel sorry for them.
I noticed that too.
If I'd been the owner, I would have shut it down.
CNN's moderators had something stolen from them as they didn't moderate at all. Maybe the Gish gallop got them too.
Chump is only going to get worse. He was worse 78 years ago they say. Battered women know a "man" like him. He won't leave them alone and is liable to do something terrible if he is not stopped now. America, we are that woman.
CNN pushing back on their fact-check-free moderating: “We did so too fact-check! We had this guy counting all of Donnie’s lies, and he read them out loud, after everyone had turned off the TV and gone to bed!”
CNN did their fact-checking at least 3 hours after the debate.
"Three minutes! GO!"
The media,and right-wing,spend most of their time on 'whataboutisms'...one guy's been babbling like a deranged moron for months about sharks, batteries and Hannibal Lecter...and one guy had a bad debate and night...for the media these days, they're the same.
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Yes, there is a meme that was released after trumpolini lost, that said "America is in the breakup stage, of an abusive relationship."
Hadn’t heard half these stories - thanks for the sunlight, Jeff☀️ And remember: they pulled this ‘feeble-one-foot-in-the-grave crapola w/HRC. Don’t let them get any traction this time! WE’RE FAMILIAR W/THAT PLAYBOOK IN 2024
And let’s face it -“but-her-emails” and BENGHAZI worked SO well, they’re trying to ‘Benghazi’ Hunter!!! We need to just LAUGH OUT LOUD IN THEIR FACES - because unfortunately PROPAGANDA WORKS 😓‼️
The media failed with Benghazi as well because the real blame for the Benghazi tragedy is squarely on the Republicans’ shoulders. Obama had asked for funding to increase security at American consulates and other facilities at serious risk in the Middle East and Republicans refused to approve it. WHY have the media not made a big stink about that? The same belligerent attitude by Rs occurred when the outgoing Clinton admin warned that Intel reported chatter discussing Bin Laden’s plan to use commercial airplanes to commit a terrorist attack in the U.S., when the Bush admin chose to ignore it.
The media also said virtually nothing about the Bush admin using private servers provided by the RNC. The Bush admin also deleted 22 million emails but the press let that go as well. And Colin Powell’s personal AOL account had classified documents and was hacked several times. But the media yawned at that, too. I can go on but you get my point.
Thank you!!
Funny how Dems could never get on top of that story… and have zero pushback counter-media machine after 40 years of Rush THEN Fox????!!!! Even MSNBC anchors Joe Scarborough and Nicole Wallace were Republicans!!!!
If President Biden trounces Trump in the next debate they'll be back to the 'Jacked-up Joe' narrative.
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For me, YouTube,the Meidas Touch network, Democracy Watch and Docket,Brian Tyler Cohen and the Legal Breakdown,The Lincoln Project,IMO mainstream media has completely sold-out.
The NY Times and its publisher deserve nothing but contempt. I laugh at how LoserTrump continues to convince his cult followers that the Eastern media is all against him and 'fake news." The FACT is that the Wash PO, CNN, and The NYT with their whataboutism and "both sides are nice people" are his biggest enablers and supporters. On a noble level, everyone that works for these organizations needs to reflect on their choices, and on a practical level, they need to be concerned about their jobs with the falling revenue and cancellations due to their self-inflicted irrelevancy.
The so-called journalists and editors also need to fear for their jobs if TRump gets back into office. Remember Hitler? Yeah, he got rid of all media except for state media...
It would appear thats what their all auditioning for.
Yes. Do they not know their history? We've seen this behavior before.
Remember the iron curtain? How about that again. There will be no more X, Facebook or any other social media. Not in America anyway. We will have to go in hiding to get our news and information.
Sadly, killing Xitter (prononce the "x" as "sh") and Facebook, as a source of news sounds pretty good to me, I want to see a return to actual journalistic standards. That said watching the rise of authoritarianism is scary. Thank goodness they are tech dinosaurs.
They’ll have jobs but no freedom to write the truth. Only writing what the billionaire owner tells them to.
Sort of like they seem to be doing now. With some exceptions, mostly on Substack.
Joe didn't look good in the debate. First debates tend to be like first crepes, you throw them to the dog. But. Goddamn, he's gotten stuff done
Polls showed undecideds more creeped out by t*umps lying tho! EXCELLENT 🗳️
Créped -out, too…😁
Good one
President Biden didn't "need" to debate, whatsoever. Just leave it that a person of his dignity need not enter a room where the stench of a felonious rapist is present. BIG mistake on the part of the DNC!
Lets not call that post birth abortion a ‘debate’. No questions were answered, no legitimate ground was covered, few platforms were discussed.
NOW Joe can say ‘F-Off’ to Debate #2 because of ‘this this and this’ from the first debate…
In 2020 Trump had COVID and sickened most his staff at the debate,and almost killed Chris Christie,(He's my guy!! Still voting for him!!),his nepo-baby crime family refused to wear masks to support Daddy Warbucks.
He was trying to infect Biden imo.
Too bad he didn't succumb. He looked really sick. I had hope there for a moment.
I think ppl were more turned off by his lying (turds polished to a very high shine at his rallies!) - than we know. They saw the ugly 👹
I hope you're right. He was taking credit for every good thing that has happened under Biden. IDK, but I hope people see through that.
That’s what I heard initially. Also, pundits are mad bc they predicted Joes ‘decline’ before this and it hasn’t happened. So they are both embarrassed AND needing content for their shows 😐😠😤
Praying!
Even at his hate rallies now everyone looks bored.
You mean the paid actors? They run Craigslist ads to hire them… Media shrugs…
But if he hadn’t, he’d have been labeled a chickenshit by MAGAts and media forever.
That’s where their echo machine pays off…(see he’s SCARED)…😐
What I meant is that the DNC should NEVER have brought up having a debate. It was entirely unnecessary.
No, they let that bag of pus get away with farting in their faces.
Indeed he has.
To me the next question is, Should Biden agree to another debate? I don't think so--not unless some provision is made to identify and refute Trump's lies in real time. And Biden shouldn't be required to do that. Asking Person B to fact-check the (endless) lies of Person A is like requiring the Ravens' offense to monitor and call penalties against the Giants' defense. An actual game is not possible under those circumstances. And even if Biden could and did say, "You said X. That's a lie. In fact, blah blah. You also said Y. That's a lie. The truth is..." and so on, viewers would be entitled to think, "Well, that's what Biden says. How do we know he's right?"
The fact is, you can't have a debate--or even one of these election year quasi-debates--if one of the participants does nothing but lie. The thing the other night was a farce. Biden's main mistake was to have taken it seriously. Oh, and CNN can go fuck itself at its earliest opportunity.
Biden agreed to two debates, so if he backed out of the second one, that would be pretty bad optics, like he had something to hide. I think he has no choice but to power through it
I just hope that the debate with ABC will be earlier in the day. Hell, I go to bed around 9:00 and I'm pretty muddleheaded after that. and I'm only 62. At Biden's rally on Friday in North Carolina he was on fire! He just had a really bad night as well as a bad cold with laryngitis. I'm still voting for Joe Biden and will continue to phone bank for him, as I have been for the last 6 months. All I know is, that the vast majority of people I've spoken with all over their country, from all different party affiliations, are voting for Biden. This one debate is not going to change their minds. #VoteALLBlue2024
Thank you for volunteering your time, Megan, that’s awesome!
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Okay. Then what he should do is, as soon as Trump starts talking, Biden should ignore him and, on his allowed pad with his allowed pen, draw a Trump Bingo Card of all the topics Trump will--inevitably, dependably--lie about: immigrants, the economy, Ukraine, Covid, NATO, abortion, etc. Then hold it up when Trump lies and tick it off until he gets a BINGO, and keep doing it throughout. If the moderators don't fact-check Trump, Biden shouldn't respect the process.
I don't think the Biden of the other night is capable of what I just described. But surely he and his people can change his approach. He said, "It's hard to debate a liar." That's true. So don't "debate" him. Dismiss what he says quickly--to the audience, not to him--and say what you want to say. And don't feel you have to fill the allotted time. Remember that Trump is not there to debate. He's there to lie and make a debate impossible.
He needs some equivalent to Unca-Grampa-St.-Ronnie's effective, "Well, there you go again," comeback.
He was there to spread his propaganda.
The problem, as you say, is Biden is an old school politician, who respects the office and takes his job seriously. And Tangerine toddler is a whiny baby, who gets love from his flock by complaining like a common Rush Limpblob (who is still dead.) They never offer solutions because they don't have any, just grievances, mostly imaginary.
True, but even saying they never offer solutions is sort of beside the point. It's like saying that, when Godzilla destroys Tokyo, "he's not helping solve the affordable housing crisis." To Trump, Limbaugh, and every Republican on earth, it's all about money, and the power to manipulate government in the service of getting more money.
And more power.
Like it ! Let it be known beforehand that he will not respond to any lies ! He can then stand there and pick his teeth not saying one friggen word….point made 🖕
Biden can insist on many changes in the format of the debate, format of monitors. Also, he needs different debate people who prep him. Their understanding of everything was all wrong.
Well, he knows what he's up against. I hope he forgets the facts and just asks the important questions of the s88tstain.
In the overall scheme of things I doubt anyone would remember.
Maybe another debate on PBS fact checked in real time and when trump lies cut the mic. His lies are obvious to anyone
Jeff's right about news media group-think. This event was not a debate. The next face-off event will not be a debate. A "DEBATE" requires two sides who speak in GOOD FAITH. Seriously addressing and discussing REAL issues. Donald doesn't speak or think in GOOD FAITH. So what we got was one guy trying to talk about issues in GOOD FAITH and the other guy was talking lies and gibberish--in BAD FAITH. Pretty darn simple analysis. Why don't the geniuses at NYT and CNN relate this simple truth to their audiences? They must keep up the con that the Orange Conman is legit (against all evidence to the contrary) to keep the eyeballs/cash flow.
Exactly.
We have a Russian Mole in the United States. His name is Donald J Trump. Donald J Trump was our Presidential Accident in 2015 and is a Traitor and America’s Disgrace. In case you haven’t been LISTENING to what Trump has been saying, if he is reelected, he will withdraw US support for Ukraine, he will withdraw the US from NATO and will give Putin the green light to take over Ukraine. I thought we are supposed to arrest, prosecute, convict and execute traitors, not reelect them.
Read Heather Cox Richardson’s latest post.
Note: It took a historian to pick up on this. Now some media is reporting on it. Where the hell are the real journalists?
She writes a wonderful column.
Hi Vickie,
I've read two books (and there are more) on Fraud Traitor Trump's laundering of money through his condos - money from Russian Oligarchs and Mafia, all under Putin's direction. (I also read Heather's substack.)
My comment was directed at the community here and not meant to disparage your comment that I’m in total agreement with.
Joel… spot on . He is Putin’s dog and should not be allowed anywhere near the
Whitehouse. All his 80’s & 90’s debt were covered by Russians & Russian mafia…its all on record. He can end the
Ukraine war in one day??? by withdrawing all our military support - thats how- leaving our ally all on their
own.
I’d like to apply some originalist thinking to this issue the SCOTUS is all about it ! It goes this way if the Supreme Court ,the GOP MEMBERS OF CONGRESS and all of their MAGGAT EXTREMIST follows were acting like they are doing now when the Constitution was being drafted by the originalist authors they would be undoubtedly considered traitors ,and swiftly executed ,exiled , totally reviled by the originalist writers of the constitution that they are attempting to overthrow once again ! Or is the history That I was taught just fake history that never happened the way it’s been taught for damn near 250 years?The new history of The GOP ,OLIGARCHY and DONALD TRUMP is what we all need to assimilate to be good citizens,at least that is what our kids and grandchildren are going to be taught if this pack of traitorous criminals are empowered , so be prepared if you vote for the right wing lying scum of Donald Trumps alternate reality! Your descendants will piss on your grave !
THIS COUNTRY IS SO SCREWED DUE TO TRUMP AND THIS CORRUPT LEGISLATING SCOTUS.
Yep
"still carrying a childish grudge because Joe won’t agree to the interview that Sulz feels is his birthright, he’s getting to wreak his revenge." It is absolutely SICKENING. I was surprised and pleased to read that Jamal Bouie argued in his editorial in the NYT, that it would be an enormous mistake for the Dems to change horses midstream. (P.S. I canceled with the NYT some months ago. I read his editorial in "Raw Story" today.)
If Trump got a bump in donor contributions after being convicted of 34 felonies we can help Biden who only had a bad night.
From what I’ve read, Biden-Harris 2024 campaign got a bump in donations after the Night of the Deathly Debate.
I did my part. Money talks.
Me too.
I was already donating monthly, so I went to ActBlue and doubled my contribution. $$$ talks, bullshit walks!
Me also
I sent some dough in had to show support. Could be Joes seeing who and how many are in for the long haul ?
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My letter to the Raleigh News&Observer:
I went to bed Thursday night somewhat despondent about President Biden’s debate performance. I reluctantly stuck to my plan to go to the post-debate rally on Friday on the Raleigh fairgrounds. I’m very glad I did. The president acknowledged he was not at his best. He did not anger-tweet unhinged messages during the night about a rigged debate. He didn’t insult the moderators and imply retribution. He did not stand at the podium and whine about how mean and unfair everyone is. He didn’t accuse his opponent of taking illegal drugs. He accepted responsibility and vowed to “get back up” and fight another day.
I saw and heard a fiery speech about the importance of fighting for our democracy from a man who deeply cares about our country. I wish he had brought that passion and clarity to the debate, but he didn’t. I do have concerns about his age and stamina for such a demanding and overwhelming job, but I have no doubt that President Biden is far more capable and moral to lead our country than the man who serves only himself.
Excellent letter Mark. 👏👏👏
Thanks