Im waiting for the shooter to be identified as a Trans person, so that the Administration can then officially hunt me down and "camp" me because they have deemed me a threat to society.
As a Druid, I despise killing or taking of ANY life, and that I am lead to believe inherently that all life has value and purpose. Yes, its hard to quantify this for me as a Trans person (one of his USUAL targets), and I struggle with it. But Killing is wrong.
Your values are good ones, Wendy. Hold onto your belief that all life has value, because it does. It's hard. I'm sure, but you have purpose and I appreciate you.
I'll be there with you Chris and i have a gang of Veterans to come with. We fought for all of our freedoms. Dems have been absolute cowards about Trans rights and so we will be every where we can! There are way more blue/lib vets than you know, a lot of us joined for school benefits and oh hey look, it's September 11th 2001. Then as long as we lived we went to school ππ€£ (dark humor)
Wendy - Donβt look now but the hoaxiest of hoaxes βtrans antifa engraved ammunitionβ just graced the pages of the periodical formerly known as a financial publication WSJ. Weβre now living in a cartoon illustrated in St. Petersburg (not Florida).
LOVE this! I'd offer too but my house just isn't too habitable right now, but IF I had help to clear out a LOT of 'stuff' and clutter from upstairs (the 'new' room we added on), it's huge, has windows with views everywhere AND shades, AND a pullout couch AND a nearly completed bathroom, AND a balcony leading to my heavily wooded backyard which leads to.........? only the shadow knows. Unity!
They are already claiming that "trans ideology" was engraved on the bullet casing....wtf is that, and how many words can you engrave on a bullet casing to constitute "ideology" and how many votes that nothing like this ever happened but Trump told Ka$h to say it because otherwise heΚ»ll lose his job?
He just has been so "identified"--there's a report that the rifle was engraved with pro trans and antifa sentiments. How terribly convenient for the Right. I do trust they will check to be sure that this particular rifle fired the bullet--and how fresh the engravings are.
I'd hazard a guess that the current moron 'in charge of' the Feebs read the normal numbers/letters on the bottom of a standard shell casing and immediately LEAPED to that conclusion because he IS a moron and of course desperately needs to justify his position to orange baby man. I don't believe ANYTHING from him/them, and that's just how awful it is - they've destroyed ALL trust in what once was a fairly respected entity.
After seeing Trumpβs response and how quickly they had it prepared, Iβm pretty convinced MAGA just sacrificed Charlie Kirk in an effort to save Trump from the Epstein Files and wars he canβt stop.
Believe I have read he was still calling for it, yes. And nutjob Loomer had just put out a nasty post (which she has since deleted) disparaging Kirk. Harshly.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. He made millions off spewing hate. In a year, he won't be remembered. Just another white supremacist in the dust. My give-a-shit bucket is empty.
We are still mourning the school shooting here in Minnesota. They were friends of my family. We are heart broken. And we all know this comes from the top of the food chain.
Leon is also making millions on retweets of his divisive smears and accusationsβ¦ but weβre too tired to regulate anything nowadays so oh well (shit half of our lawmakers donβt even know what a βdiaper bagβ - is amirite)
I'm already reading that Mossad did it because Kirk had begun to criticize Israel, or the CIA did it because Kirk had been pressing to out the Epstein files. Supposedly, the shot that killed Kirk was so difficult, it would have required an expert sniper, so....
I've completed (it's a 1000+page book) reading 'Billy Summers', Stephen King's 2021 tome about one particular excellent sniper (and his 'gun for hire' life post-service). He's the protagonist and, contrary to King's usual horror stories. this one's a real, solid story/novel and a most excellent escapist read. The snipers who've mostly been trained IN our Armed Forces specify what 'difficult shots' are (and Stephen acknowledges those experts for all of the info he uses). I was genuinely surprised by what THEY consider 'difficult' - up to 1,600 feet! They talk about the differences between single-shooter and IN-service where they'd normally have a 2-man team with a spotter alongside. When I heard about this shooting, my first reaction was, of course - 'fuck, we didn't need THIS stupidity now', then when I realized a 'throat shot' (as described by my husband) - it would not be survivable without extreme paralysis or death knew it was a far worse situation. BUT the chyron scrolled across our screen kept repeating: 'Trump: Charlie Kirk is dead' (even when today's news said he died HOURS later?) WHY was HE making that call, pray tell? Shouldn't it have been Medical staff/his family? Third thought: 'could easily be a regular hunter-type with a spotting scope', surprising myself by how much I'd gotten from Stephen's book. My next reaction was: 'they' needed a sacrificial lamb as a HUGE distraction from the Epstein files, so who better than one who was already questioning AND one so many students would become incensed about and immediately want to blame Democrats for? So sue me for believing that those who didn't give one. single. fuck. about Democratic lawmakers being MURDERED in their own homes, canNOT NOW get to play their vicious 'blame democratic rhetoric' games, especially when THEY'RE the ones who ALWAYS go to '2nd Amendment solutions', the evil bastards. YET, MSNBC has fired Mathew Dowd for trying carefully to explain that Kirk's own rhetoric just might have played into this? We're being forced to live in a fucking upside-down world of magats-making and I'm SO tired of it. Now they've co-opted 9-11, a day I usually spent in quiet reflection with my animals, weeping still. smdh
Interesting and apropos facts from King's book, Elizabeth. They add context.
I hadnβt heard about Rump's "premature" announcement of Kirk's death until today, but it's....curious.
IMO, this event is going to be yet another case in which we'll never know the truth. And either the investigation will fail to nab the shooter, or the suspected shooter will be killed during the chase/arrest.
At most, any person who survives arrest will claim to be a patsy.
Yes, I saw it plausibly suggested too, that Kirk may have been silenced for continuing to demand them. That sounds like the kind of "weave" we keep being subjected to, doing harm then keep hammering someone else is responsible.
Every perpetrator of violence in the last 4 years has been a Trump supporter. We will not have violence. The FBI reports significant footage of the shooter, both ingress and egress. They are reviewing that now to help identify the shooter. For the last 4 years, every perpetrator has been a Trump supporter, while Trump and the right have first jumped to blaming the left without any evidence. These are unbelievable facts. More than likely the idiom will hold true this time. We will not know for some time yet. https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/charlie-kirk-killing-political-violence?r=3m1bs&utm_medium=ios
I sadly thought the same thing. And also sadly this shooter if they locate him (the right one) will probably be killed before anyone knows the truth (like the shooter who grazed trump's ear? But some innocent was killed.)
We will probably never know his true motivation. π
Have a strong feeling the shooter my be dead, suicide?? Not a conspiracy theorist but β¦. Have we ever heard anything about the kid who shot Trump or the doctors that fixed him. It would have been endless for anyone else?? Just canβt trust this corrupt admin.
Trump's "assassination" was obviously faked but involved a Republican shooter. The kid who shot Reagan was in no way political. George Lincoln Rockwell was shot by a fellow Nazi. Still, the MAGAs are running out of the woodwork screaming the "radical left" did this while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day. Hard to believe how stupid my country has become.
The weird thing was Trump out there saying Kirk was dead before the media was saying it. And he had a comment all typed out to read that wasn't his usual blithering.
Same thought here Ole. Kirk had been told by Trump to stop his constant speech about Epstein, and getting the files released. The gunman was obviously experienced, choosing lower caliber ammunition from a perched spot, then disappearing into the mayhem. Did Trump appear surprised by the assassination, as he was with the Israeli bombing in Qatar, after dining at Joes,
β¦knowing full well he was obviously briefed priorly by Israel.
One thing makes me think that this could be a set up is how they took Charlie away from the scene. I watched the video numerous times to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. Police officers are security officers carrying him to an SUV. I realise Charlie was only 31 but he is a divisive figure and I am sure has had death threats. In addition there were a lot of people there of different ages. Why did they not have medical help? Why was he wounded and there was no ambulance no paramedic at all? That just seems off.
Oh FFS. He wasn't the POTUS, why would all that be standing by just for him, just in case? And if it HAD been, I guarantee THAT would be being questioned as well as seeming "off". π
EVERY event where 3,000 - or even fewer people are in attendance (especially STUDENTS) FFS, has at LEAST one ambulance and security people 'standing by' everywhere I'VE been or seen 'in case of emergencies'. Ball games, graduations, concerts, any event where parents or kids are 'visiting' or could fall ill or be harmed. It's nothing remotely to do with being POTUS, and Kirk had the kind of money where he could easily afford his own security personnel but didn't seem to think he was at risk in this particular situation.
Well, we're trying not to be, but having spent some time batting down the BlueAnons JAQing off about Butler PA, I can assure you there's far more of them than one can imagine.
I wouldn't doubt it. Especially since the last several elections were won by Democrats who flipped several seats and won 2 special elections in FL and 1 in N. Va. They can read the writing on the wall. They need hurry and install martial law.
And one of the biggest perpetrators was CK himself. His snarky replies to a man asking genuine and sincere questions right before CK was shot was disgusting, dismissive and shallow. He made his own bed (in my opinion).
No one deserves to be assassinated for their speech Angie, Kirk was an odious wastrel indeed. But his son had to watch his father murdered, thatβs tragic!
Huh, Angie, claimed βhe made his bedβ in her opinion. He might very well have, however, being assassinated for oneβs speech is a tragedy. Iβm unsure of what youβre referencing LTBW???
You know, that's a problem with republicans. They can never think of or understand consequences. That's not a tragedy. If he was dying for the second amendment, or in front of his son, he might have understood some of the consequences of what he was saying or doing. You can be sad all you want, but it's his fault, what he said and what he did. We had nothing to do with it.
But you can't get ANYBODY on the right to believe that. Obviously, they don't WANT to believe it, so they won't. All they need is just one incident by somebody on the left and they think it counterbalances dozens of incidents from the right. Or, they just lie and insist that someone was a "leftist" even with tons of evidence that someone was on the right of the political spectrum. They don't care about truth or stopping this sort of thing. They care about demonizing people they disagree with.
I doubt that we will ever know the perpetrator. Patel fired all of the experienced people from the FBI. Heβs left with βyes menβ and right wing fanatics.
It's insane. It is catastrophic for the US. I did not wish him dead, but I will shed no tears for this awful man. But he is now a martry to the "MAGA Cause" and this will lead to nothing good. As to motive, it could be someone on the left who has been radicalized. It could also be someone from the radical right who wanted to create a martry and provoke certain reactions from the regime. There could be other motives, but one of these two is the most likely. Either way, the only extremist rhetoric I ever hear is NOT from the Democrats. I hate to say this, but I hope that it is a radical right person who decided to take things into their own hands. This might be the only glimmer of hope we have to avoid further statements like the one from Joe Mannarino that the Democratic Party should be declared a domestic terrorist organization. Because these MAGA idiots including President FuckFace will NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Itβs really sad weβve gotten to this point. Because now it feels like Iβm an insane crazy conspiracy theorist like MTG. But I wouldnβt put it past him not a bit. I think Butler was staged and two people were sacrificed for that.
I have the same feelings! Itβs so easy to get trapped into that- but now heβs taking Air Force one to pick up his body and fly with it to Arizona. What is that about? Why did Kash Patel say that they had a suspect in custody? For 2 hours? Everyone stopped looking for them. Then OOPS! Never mind. Keep looking!!
It feels like you are because you're allowing yourself to be. Don't. CTs are corrosive to shared reality. How something "seems" doesn't mean that's how it is. Wait for facts.
September 11, 2001β¦.A tragic day in America, and we all came together to support each other. Us old folks will never forget the horror, I hope the younger folks learn about it and respect those who died and those who lived through it. Never forget.πΊπΈ
As a 9/11 first responder I'm sickened by how the death of this racist rich boy, who advocated shootings for his 2nd amendment rights has gotten front stage on this sacred day.
Thank you for being here for us in NYC that day. π I hope your health is okay.All the good will of the world we had, all the people that came from everywhere to help us, I can't believe 24 years later this is where we are. π₯
Bush blew all that good will in less than a year, the drunken frat boy who was awol his last year of NG service. Stupid War against Iraq which we are still paying for and will be for another 50 years until all the thousands of horribly wounded Vets from that fiasco have died.
It was the wrong war in the wrong place. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia where 19 of the 22 hijackers were from. But Bush was too busy calling the FBI off of interviewing some of the Saudis on the plane in Boston where they were getting ready to leave the US. The only plane in the air that day in the United States. Some major funny business involved.
I must dither, Uncle Jeff. Political Violence Solves Nothing. This truism is as true as it is an ism. It's so ism that it's not even wrong. What it *does* though, without fail, is move things to a new level, both really and performatively. It's not supposed to solve anything, it's supposed to disrupt a temporary stability point. Every shooter in the history of shooters has wanted to "spark the civil war" or some shit. And it hasn't come. You can say '...yet', sounding very wise on paper, but I would really like to understand why. Cretins with Gunz have been bellowing for 20 years that they were going to round up and kill all the Libs what did them dirty. People have died, as individuals and groups, but there's not been the glorious war they have claimed that we were starting (with the 'violence' we've wrought by opposing and mocking them). Why?
Right. That's what I said, he believes that, it was his subtitle. My point was that political violence has a completely different motivation and effect than to 'solve' something. It's a rhetorical straw man used by people who want to avoid the hard work of thinking. It's not the core issue.
Youβre opening line is right on the money. These twats are looking for any excuse whatsoever to Kent State us or worse.
Do the names Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby sound familiar here? Iβm miles away from the Q shit but something smells as bad as Trumpβs diaper about this whole thing
"The word gantlet is primarily used to describe a form of corporal punishment or to represent a challenging experience. It's typically less common in modern English but still appears in historical contexts or in the phrase 'running the gantlet.' The expression is used metaphorically to refer to a situation where someone has to face a series of trials or criticisms."
Same here. But I always thought you ran a gauntlet, didnt even know gantlet and Iβm a wordy guy. Glad to learn something I didnβt know. And will never use in the few years left.
Me too β because the women were the most qualified(except for Tulsi, of course). I went from Gillibrand to Harris to Warren and I liked Klobuchar as well.
I find it especially hypocritical to hear him talking about the people who go after our judges and law enforcement. The violent rhetoric and actual violence from the right don't justify violence from our side. However, the fact remains that if this shooter is someone from the left it will be the exception to the rule. Our side isn't perfect, but if you want to stop political violence, you have to start with the side responsible for the overwhelming majority of it.
I suspect -and I hate this because Iβm usually not into conspiracies: The shooter was a pro...two hundred yards away? Indicates planning. I wonder if they "try, but never find him or her, because this person was paid to do it as a distraction to the Epstein mess. Putin has done shit like this, only it's usually poison or getting tossed out the window. The felon was very fast to get out there with his message, too. Where was he after Minnesotas tragedy? And did he address the Colorado school shooting that happened at the same time at Kirk?
Political violence is obviously not the answer to anything⦠but I wont miss the racist prick.
Anyone else think civil war is right around the corner?
Why did NO ONE point out how STRANGE it was for a sitting President to not ever acknowledge the assassination / ambush of those D elected officials +family IN THEIR HOMES? Not even a 30 second acknowledgement call to the D governor� This is basic adulting at the very LEAST⦠I think Ds are dumb to let it slide, too. There are ways of bringing it up every single day in a non-confrontational manner until he does it. Now accusing the Left before anyone is even apprehended???⦠Fk this shit and the Americans who tolerate it.
It's not strange at all. It's very much in line with who he is. Only attacks on the right matter; the endless attacks perpetrated BY the right are no big deal.
Likely part of creating the narrative. I see this all of it as him using all our lives as part of his shitty, personal reality show. He actually believes everything will be edited & rewritten to make him a star. He will never be a star, he's a no-talent, 2-bit criminal, ugly & cheap. He's not even that convincing of a villain, as horrific as nepo-baby sociopaths can be. Whatever people found compelling in his performance, it just shows how far expectations have fallen. He can't narrate worth a damn. π
That was my thought, too, Susan. The timing is just too convenient. I wonder if the killer will ever be caught. I hate to think of myself as a conspiracist, but there are just too many questions right now.
What would be an inconvenient timing? What questions, other than who are they, where are they, and why'd they do it? Until we know, creating conspiracy theories are the WORST thing to do right now.
It is odd isn't it.....Putin meeting, 3 day disappearance and this.. The last time he disappeared with a Russian aircraft parked next to his plane was before Butler.....
Poor republicans and their heroes but children trapped defenseless in a school gets page eleven now slaughtered, never mouthed off of the evil βothersβ. I never heard anything by Kirk but clearly was a beloved shithead great white hope I can smell it from here.
Yes, Susan, I think of eventual civil war often. I could see what was coming in January and I know they want to goad us so they can shoot us. Maybe thatβs what it will take. I canβt believe Iβm saying this. Iβm too old for this shit. Nowhere is safe.
Who benefited from Charlie Kirkβs murder? Trump and Putin. Trump needed a martyr and Charlie got too full of himself with the Epstein messaging; daring even once to be critical of Trump was disloyal. CK was a perfect sacrifice. Big name with a big future Trump would rather his sons get to enjoy. The Hero of Hitler Youth martyr will lock in the Christian Nationalist followers for decades. CK died before he was disgraced, e.g. caught shtuping a teenager. Blah blah. Putin benefits because he needs Trump to wage war against his own country and ignore the fact that Putin is flying drones over Poland. Putin is enlarging his war to include NATO, an organization CKβs death (national emergency) makes it easier for Trump to exit, giving Trump a reason to be inwardly, focused, and dismissive of international concerns. Ultimately, when Trump emerges from this faux national crisis and USA exit of NATO gave Putin his edge, Trump will start talking about Greenland again so he can build his empire just like Putin is trying to carve up the world. The worst thing we can do is be distracted and limit our imaginations to normal, law abiding thinking. Think WWASD (what would a sociopath do?) Putin is weak, but the Battle of the Bulge happened when Hitler was really weak.
There's plenty of shooters out there that could pull it off easily for whatever reasons they deem suitable without them being part of any conspiracy to distract from Epstein. Come back to Earth until the facts are in.
You're saying the sane, rational thing, Irascible. Normally, I'd be the first one to back you. And part of me does agree with you 100%. But we haven't been in a sane, rational world since January 20th. We've seen over and over that what we never thought was possible, is, in fact, possible. Your advice to NOT jump to conclusions is very well taken, but Bizarro President has taught us to automatically suspect the worst, because it's so often true now.
Irascible, I absolutely agreed with you in pre-Jan 6 world. Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell failed to see Jan 6 for what it was: fearless reach for dominion followed by zero contrition. Fool me onceβ¦We have a lawless SCOTUS and three female justices write dissents that read more like obituaries of our democracy. CKβs blood was meant to hurt us.
Charlie Kirk is on record saying that some people need to die to protect our second amendment freedoms. He just thought it would be a lot of schoolkids, not him. Oops.
Irony is alive and well. He was giving a speech on the 2nd Amendment in support of guns vs. public safety called "Prove Me Wrong." Well, he got proven.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.
Schumer is a proceduralist living in a bygone era. At least he finally did something besides pen strongly worded letters that were flushed down the gold toilets.
To what effect, though? They absolutely do. not. care. that they've been proven to be hypocrites a thousand times over. The media won't call them on it, and neither will the MAGAs.
Well, the good news is that she is not going to be reelected. Maine has a really solid candidate, and he will win by a landslide. Assuming that we get to vote.
I'm not a tinfoil hat kinda guy but something about this assassination seems a little false-flaggy. Guy was shot from two hundred yards away. That's two football fields. Something ain't kosher. And while we're on the subject of all-things-kosher, let's bear in mind that the late Charlie Kirk was hardly good for the Jews (or anyone else for that matter). Fatso crowned him, "The voice of America's youth." Sure, if you're a trans-and homo-phobic nutcase. Another round of the Horst Wessell song, maestro. Or horse's ass, if you prefer.
Iβve never been into conspiracy theories as a rule either, but Trumpβs ear and Kirkβs obviously trained sniper is forcing me to reckon with what I used to think was an area populated by weirdos and paranoids
He probably had a capsule of fake blood in his hand. That whole "fight, fight, fight!" fist thing looked rehearsed to me. When it comes to MAGA's, the way they point fingers and claim QAnon conspiracies seems like their usual MO = blame others for what you are doing.
Kristy, That depends from my view point somebody set out to do a job and has gotten away with it, so far. How about odds itβs a disgruntled trumper because itβs the current trend. Elmo did a lot of hater making.
I'm going with the conspiracy theory that it was a Russian sniper. This was designed to detract from Epstein and also to set off civil war. A win-win for Putin.
Kirk was shot in the neck, but itβs possible the single bullet bounced off a bulletproof vest or his chest before striking his neck. If you watch the show in slow motion (which I donβt want you to do), it appears his chest was hit first by the same bullet.
Jeff and fellow travelersβ¦ recall Horst Wessel, the Nazi that was killed prior to Hitler gaining power. The Nazis used this killing as a propaganda tool to thrust the Nazi party into a more favorable position to take over Germany. Today we have almost the same scenario with Donald acting as judge and jury without any factual evidence to back his claims.. This crew has no critical thinking skills as evidence from all the right wing talkers making ridiculous conclusions. Letβs not forget the children that were shot at school yesterday, letβs not forget the 9-11 attack on our country, letβs not forget our government is run by psychopaths and x Fox employees.
Fastball for the win, the list goes on but lefties didnβt do a thing about Hillaryβs emails and the Biden schlong (svanzkaniska ala Young Frankenstein Yiddish) or in Nosferatuβs words βTrump took a bullet for amerikaβ and we really need to know more but thatβs why the patsie in that novel was immediately murdered. Do you sense a pattern here the worlds worst pedophile hangs his own damn self, I wish we had a as in one surveillance tape.
Well done Wendy. TPUSA is behind a recall petition of my city council member in the district I live in. I went to a city council meeting in June and was treated to listening to a bunch of MAGA assclowns, mostly old white men kvetching about how my council member's crime was advocating for homeless, battered women and supported Kamala Harris and Ruben Gallego. I'm canvassing this Saturday for my council member to keep her job.
If you go out and advocate or protest, drop me a note.....we have protest and support organization efforts going on , here at WtD, so if you needed local engagement and help, just let us know.
We build what we can around those we can protect. Ive been doing it for months. Like Jeff, I run my pub as a support network and a family. And I give a shit.
Come to Canada. I know that sounds like a trite solution and a petty response. I'm sorry. But damn, you could at least breathe easy here and relax. There are lots of folks here who are ready and able to help refugees from the U.S.
We live in a pocket of the BC interior that has a history of taking in folks who need protection: hundreds of draft dodgers during the Vietnam war, Quakers who were driven out of the U.S. due to their pacifist beliefs, the Doukabors who were driven out of Russia for pacifist beliefs. We also established meaningful relationships with the Japanese who were interred in our region, and many of them stayed here when they were free to go. We have had to offer our home on too many occasions to folks who are discriminated against and in danger, who seek safety from tyranny. And we continue to offer sanctuary to anyone who needs it.
I used to live in an area in Ontario where there were a lot of Viet Nam draft-dodgers - there's a lot of bigoted and anti-immigrant propaganda happening in Canada now (and anti-trans etc.), inevitable I suppose, especially as neighbours to the US - hope we can maintain our humanity
Could I just claim to be trans? Who's to know? Canada, here I come. My Exband and I emigrated (legally) to Canada during the Vietnam war. Now, I'm really sorry that I came home .
Yeah, this is terrible. And itβs a paradox. Iβve no tears for him, and Iβm willing to cast him as a martyr to the second amendmentβhe would have wanted it this way, he gave the last full measure of devotion to the principle that random shootings are the American way.
At the same time, itβs not making the world any better and itβs all really fishy. And MAGA is making hay off it. President Wonderful may have been cossy-playing Col Kilgore napalming Chicago on Sunday, but today heβs got concerning concerns about rhetoricβ¦
I think most people have no idea who this hate goblin was, and all itβs going to do is give Trump a few days pressure-relief from Epstein.
I am not thinking about CHARLIE KIRK today. He isn't worth my energy. I amthinking about 9/11/2001.I am daily thinking about the murdered School children in AMERICA and all those dead Americans who are shot by GUN NUTS..
CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED . That is it. And..TRUMPS BESTIES IN THE UAE issued Passports to the HIJACKERS & chopped up KASHOGGIE..That is it. We are clear here.
So yeah. The horseshoe is beginning to bend back on me and I'm slipping into some Q territory. I didn't have enough definitive information on the Trump assassination attempt, all I've seen is snark and a dead weirdo shooter. So I did not venture into speculation.
But this. This is a whole nuther kettle o' fish.
- dressed in black
- vanished completely
- spot chosen surrounded by buildings, high level of wind control
The guy sounds like he knew what he was doing. A trained sniper? I donβt know, but he was able to pierce the carotid artery and jugular vein in one shot. You canβt put a tourniquet on a neck.
Maybe, but is that the most important thing about this? I don't know what I don't know. We've got walking and quacking ducks, but there's always more to everything, always.
And just in time yesterday, FL's ban on open carry was declared unconstitutional. This was always my biggest fear in the time I've lived here and am so grateful my escape plan is already in place.
It really gets disappointing when you look at the hypocrisy from the right and the fact that if their boys do it, itβs always mental illness βbut they sure like blaming progressives for shit they had no part in.
ugh. this was a post I didn't want to have to write.
hey, remember when the news on 9/11 used to be about 9/11?
I did not want to write mine either , Uncle Jeff.
Im waiting for the shooter to be identified as a Trans person, so that the Administration can then officially hunt me down and "camp" me because they have deemed me a threat to society.
So tired.
I can multitask. I despise the manner of Kirk's death. I continue to despise his bigotry.
As a Druid, I despise killing or taking of ANY life, and that I am lead to believe inherently that all life has value and purpose. Yes, its hard to quantify this for me as a Trans person (one of his USUAL targets), and I struggle with it. But Killing is wrong.
Any person with a conscience should denounce violence for any reason. Violence has never solved a single problem, it only magnifies them.
Your values are good ones, Wendy. Hold onto your belief that all life has value, because it does. It's hard. I'm sure, but you have purpose and I appreciate you.
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Exactly where Iβm at. I hate it here.
Alethia, you are not alone.
If you need space, I have some extra
Iβll stand in front of you and every other Trans person - we will not go silently into the dark.
You words are felt with kindness and regard. For which I am thankful.
A fuck ton.
I'll be there with you Chris and i have a gang of Veterans to come with. We fought for all of our freedoms. Dems have been absolute cowards about Trans rights and so we will be every where we can! There are way more blue/lib vets than you know, a lot of us joined for school benefits and oh hey look, it's September 11th 2001. Then as long as we lived we went to school ππ€£ (dark humor)
Stay safe everyone!
Check your DMs. Tess.
Wendy - Donβt look now but the hoaxiest of hoaxes βtrans antifa engraved ammunitionβ just graced the pages of the periodical formerly known as a financial publication WSJ. Weβre now living in a cartoon illustrated in St. Petersburg (not Florida).
Don't forget it's a Murdoch rag. He is largely responsible for the current clusterfuck in America
Wait!! What?? WTF? Was it also signed with the shooterβs name and social security number, all his (or her) passwords?
The smell of RE fish is overpowering.
Yeah, I just read that. I am NOT about to update my post today with that nonsense.
Time for the Grift to happen.
Ironically, that article may officially mark the completion of the WSJ transition to from financial markets daily gossip rag.
???!!!
Wendy . . . you can come live with me. No one will ever find us. I live on the dark side of the moon. Bring your loved ones.
LOVE this! I'd offer too but my house just isn't too habitable right now, but IF I had help to clear out a LOT of 'stuff' and clutter from upstairs (the 'new' room we added on), it's huge, has windows with views everywhere AND shades, AND a pullout couch AND a nearly completed bathroom, AND a balcony leading to my heavily wooded backyard which leads to.........? only the shadow knows. Unity!
They are already claiming that "trans ideology" was engraved on the bullet casing....wtf is that, and how many words can you engrave on a bullet casing to constitute "ideology" and how many votes that nothing like this ever happened but Trump told Ka$h to say it because otherwise heΚ»ll lose his job?
He just has been so "identified"--there's a report that the rifle was engraved with pro trans and antifa sentiments. How terribly convenient for the Right. I do trust they will check to be sure that this particular rifle fired the bullet--and how fresh the engravings are.
They are now claiming the bullet casing is "engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology."
Oh,please.
I'd hazard a guess that the current moron 'in charge of' the Feebs read the normal numbers/letters on the bottom of a standard shell casing and immediately LEAPED to that conclusion because he IS a moron and of course desperately needs to justify his position to orange baby man. I don't believe ANYTHING from him/them, and that's just how awful it is - they've destroyed ALL trust in what once was a fairly respected entity.
Anything to distract from the Epstein Files.
YES! I really believe this was yet another βplannedβ event.
From Ryan Shead on Twitter:
After seeing Trumpβs response and how quickly they had it prepared, Iβm pretty convinced MAGA just sacrificed Charlie Kirk in an effort to save Trump from the Epstein Files and wars he canβt stop.
Was Charlie still calling for the Epstein Files to be released?β¦ or had he flip-flopped
Believe I have read he was still calling for it, yes. And nutjob Loomer had just put out a nasty post (which she has since deleted) disparaging Kirk. Harshly.
Yes.
Have seen other post noting its psyops look and feel
Our Reichstag Fire moment. An excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. He made millions off spewing hate. In a year, he won't be remembered. Just another white supremacist in the dust. My give-a-shit bucket is empty.
We are still mourning the school shooting here in Minnesota. They were friends of my family. We are heart broken. And we all know this comes from the top of the food chain.
100% Lisa. 100%.
Leon is also making millions on retweets of his divisive smears and accusationsβ¦ but weβre too tired to regulate anything nowadays so oh well (shit half of our lawmakers donβt even know what a βdiaper bagβ - is amirite)
My girlfriendβs granddaughter was the youngest shot and killed in the Parkland High School shootings. I completely understand where your heart is.
I'm already reading that Mossad did it because Kirk had begun to criticize Israel, or the CIA did it because Kirk had been pressing to out the Epstein files. Supposedly, the shot that killed Kirk was so difficult, it would have required an expert sniper, so....
For my part, I wouldn't put it past Rump.
I've completed (it's a 1000+page book) reading 'Billy Summers', Stephen King's 2021 tome about one particular excellent sniper (and his 'gun for hire' life post-service). He's the protagonist and, contrary to King's usual horror stories. this one's a real, solid story/novel and a most excellent escapist read. The snipers who've mostly been trained IN our Armed Forces specify what 'difficult shots' are (and Stephen acknowledges those experts for all of the info he uses). I was genuinely surprised by what THEY consider 'difficult' - up to 1,600 feet! They talk about the differences between single-shooter and IN-service where they'd normally have a 2-man team with a spotter alongside. When I heard about this shooting, my first reaction was, of course - 'fuck, we didn't need THIS stupidity now', then when I realized a 'throat shot' (as described by my husband) - it would not be survivable without extreme paralysis or death knew it was a far worse situation. BUT the chyron scrolled across our screen kept repeating: 'Trump: Charlie Kirk is dead' (even when today's news said he died HOURS later?) WHY was HE making that call, pray tell? Shouldn't it have been Medical staff/his family? Third thought: 'could easily be a regular hunter-type with a spotting scope', surprising myself by how much I'd gotten from Stephen's book. My next reaction was: 'they' needed a sacrificial lamb as a HUGE distraction from the Epstein files, so who better than one who was already questioning AND one so many students would become incensed about and immediately want to blame Democrats for? So sue me for believing that those who didn't give one. single. fuck. about Democratic lawmakers being MURDERED in their own homes, canNOT NOW get to play their vicious 'blame democratic rhetoric' games, especially when THEY'RE the ones who ALWAYS go to '2nd Amendment solutions', the evil bastards. YET, MSNBC has fired Mathew Dowd for trying carefully to explain that Kirk's own rhetoric just might have played into this? We're being forced to live in a fucking upside-down world of magats-making and I'm SO tired of it. Now they've co-opted 9-11, a day I usually spent in quiet reflection with my animals, weeping still. smdh
Interesting and apropos facts from King's book, Elizabeth. They add context.
I hadnβt heard about Rump's "premature" announcement of Kirk's death until today, but it's....curious.
IMO, this event is going to be yet another case in which we'll never know the truth. And either the investigation will fail to nab the shooter, or the suspected shooter will be killed during the chase/arrest.
At most, any person who survives arrest will claim to be a patsy.
I agree 100%. Itβs not the first time people died because the felon was trying to distract from something else.
Itβs truly frightening.
My thoughts too.
Yes - anybody remember those pesky Epstein files full of a near martyrβs name?
Poignant Susan!!
This was a blessing to rump.
Yes, I saw it plausibly suggested too, that Kirk may have been silenced for continuing to demand them. That sounds like the kind of "weave" we keep being subjected to, doing harm then keep hammering someone else is responsible.
Every perpetrator of violence in the last 4 years has been a Trump supporter. We will not have violence. The FBI reports significant footage of the shooter, both ingress and egress. They are reviewing that now to help identify the shooter. For the last 4 years, every perpetrator has been a Trump supporter, while Trump and the right have first jumped to blaming the left without any evidence. These are unbelievable facts. More than likely the idiom will hold true this time. We will not know for some time yet. https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/charlie-kirk-killing-political-violence?r=3m1bs&utm_medium=ios
This has the smell of a false flag job. Itβs hard to declare Martial law against the peaceful.
So sacrifice one of your own to get the base hopped up and out for lib blood π©Έ. Then , after sufficient violence you can justify a Martial law edict , wrongheaded as it might be
I sadly thought the same thing. And also sadly this shooter if they locate him (the right one) will probably be killed before anyone knows the truth (like the shooter who grazed trump's ear? But some innocent was killed.)
We will probably never know his true motivation. π
Have a strong feeling the shooter my be dead, suicide?? Not a conspiracy theorist but β¦. Have we ever heard anything about the kid who shot Trump or the doctors that fixed him. It would have been endless for anyone else?? Just canβt trust this corrupt admin.
a la Jack Ruby
Trump's "assassination" was obviously faked but involved a Republican shooter. The kid who shot Reagan was in no way political. George Lincoln Rockwell was shot by a fellow Nazi. Still, the MAGAs are running out of the woodwork screaming the "radical left" did this while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day. Hard to believe how stupid my country has become.
*** "while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day"***
The weird thing was Trump out there saying Kirk was dead before the media was saying it. And he had a comment all typed out to read that wasn't his usual blithering.
I just mentioned this - before seeing yours. Thank you!
Same thought here Ole. Kirk had been told by Trump to stop his constant speech about Epstein, and getting the files released. The gunman was obviously experienced, choosing lower caliber ammunition from a perched spot, then disappearing into the mayhem. Did Trump appear surprised by the assassination, as he was with the Israeli bombing in Qatar, after dining at Joes,
β¦knowing full well he was obviously briefed priorly by Israel.
And I remember that Charlie Kirk supported the release of all the Epstein files. That adds to the perhaps 'conspiracy theory' that he was sacrificed.
This, Judy! Trump told Kirk to stop talking about Epstein, he didnβt!
One thing makes me think that this could be a set up is how they took Charlie away from the scene. I watched the video numerous times to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. Police officers are security officers carrying him to an SUV. I realise Charlie was only 31 but he is a divisive figure and I am sure has had death threats. In addition there were a lot of people there of different ages. Why did they not have medical help? Why was he wounded and there was no ambulance no paramedic at all? That just seems off.
Oh FFS. He wasn't the POTUS, why would all that be standing by just for him, just in case? And if it HAD been, I guarantee THAT would be being questioned as well as seeming "off". π
I donβt know where you live, but in NJ, any event with more than 100 or so people has an ambulance nearby in case of a medical emergency.
Right. People have heart attacks and such. It's not always an assassination, well often but not always.
EVERY event where 3,000 - or even fewer people are in attendance (especially STUDENTS) FFS, has at LEAST one ambulance and security people 'standing by' everywhere I'VE been or seen 'in case of emergencies'. Ball games, graduations, concerts, any event where parents or kids are 'visiting' or could fall ill or be harmed. It's nothing remotely to do with being POTUS, and Kirk had the kind of money where he could easily afford his own security personnel but didn't seem to think he was at risk in this particular situation.
Yes, but weβre not the conspiracy theorist ones.
Well, we're trying not to be, but having spent some time batting down the BlueAnons JAQing off about Butler PA, I can assure you there's far more of them than one can imagine.
AGREE.
True
And Charlie was on LoomerΚ»s shit list because he wanted the Epstein files released. Just sayinΚ».
Loomer's shit list is just one letter away from Loomer's hit list. And isn't she the "trump whisperer"?
That is one strange looking woman
Not for me to judge, but apparently she's caught trump's eye!
Oh please. None of that is needed to declare martial law. Just stop already.
https://substack.com/profile/16368049-daughteramerican-revolution/note/c-154789838?r=53um1&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
I wouldn't doubt it. Especially since the last several elections were won by Democrats who flipped several seats and won 2 special elections in FL and 1 in N. Va. They can read the writing on the wall. They need hurry and install martial law.
And one of the biggest perpetrators was CK himself. His snarky replies to a man asking genuine and sincere questions right before CK was shot was disgusting, dismissive and shallow. He made his own bed (in my opinion).
No one deserves to be assassinated for their speech Angie, Kirk was an odious wastrel indeed. But his son had to watch his father murdered, thatβs tragic!
No, no, no, Patrick. k said it was okay for a few people to die every year for the 2nd Amendment. Get over it.
He did say that. If he truly believed it, it was a legitimate way for him to leave this world.
The guns have to go.
Huh, Angie, claimed βhe made his bedβ in her opinion. He might very well have, however, being assassinated for oneβs speech is a tragedy. Iβm unsure of what youβre referencing LTBW???
You know, that's a problem with republicans. They can never think of or understand consequences. That's not a tragedy. If he was dying for the second amendment, or in front of his son, he might have understood some of the consequences of what he was saying or doing. You can be sad all you want, but it's his fault, what he said and what he did. We had nothing to do with it.
so he was teaching his son how to belittle someone instead of having intelligent argument
75% of domestic terrorism is from the right. Less than 10% is from the left.
But you can't get ANYBODY on the right to believe that. Obviously, they don't WANT to believe it, so they won't. All they need is just one incident by somebody on the left and they think it counterbalances dozens of incidents from the right. Or, they just lie and insist that someone was a "leftist" even with tons of evidence that someone was on the right of the political spectrum. They don't care about truth or stopping this sort of thing. They care about demonizing people they disagree with.
The murderer may have no political opinions.
I doubt that we will ever know the perpetrator. Patel fired all of the experienced people from the FBI. Heβs left with βyes menβ and right wing fanatics.
It's insane. It is catastrophic for the US. I did not wish him dead, but I will shed no tears for this awful man. But he is now a martry to the "MAGA Cause" and this will lead to nothing good. As to motive, it could be someone on the left who has been radicalized. It could also be someone from the radical right who wanted to create a martry and provoke certain reactions from the regime. There could be other motives, but one of these two is the most likely. Either way, the only extremist rhetoric I ever hear is NOT from the Democrats. I hate to say this, but I hope that it is a radical right person who decided to take things into their own hands. This might be the only glimmer of hope we have to avoid further statements like the one from Joe Mannarino that the Democratic Party should be declared a domestic terrorist organization. Because these MAGA idiots including President FuckFace will NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP!
First thing I thought was, Donnyβs behind this. The shooter was a trained professional. Our MAGA government knows where and how to find them.
BTW, howβs that search for the βreal killerβ going?
Itβs really sad weβve gotten to this point. Because now it feels like Iβm an insane crazy conspiracy theorist like MTG. But I wouldnβt put it past him not a bit. I think Butler was staged and two people were sacrificed for that.
And he never mentions that shooter⦠who actually was trying to harm him⦠why so silent?
I have the same feelings! Itβs so easy to get trapped into that- but now heβs taking Air Force one to pick up his body and fly with it to Arizona. What is that about? Why did Kash Patel say that they had a suspect in custody? For 2 hours? Everyone stopped looking for them. Then OOPS! Never mind. Keep looking!!
I'm sure it's going as well as our gutted, stupided FBI can do so far. Unless you think there's an "unreal" killer on the loose?
βreal killerβ a la OJ Simpson.
Deny, diffuse, deflectβ¦Mz!
It feels like you are because you're allowing yourself to be. Don't. CTs are corrosive to shared reality. How something "seems" doesn't mean that's how it is. Wait for facts.
September 11, 2001β¦.A tragic day in America, and we all came together to support each other. Us old folks will never forget the horror, I hope the younger folks learn about it and respect those who died and those who lived through it. Never forget.πΊπΈ
As a 9/11 first responder I'm sickened by how the death of this racist rich boy, who advocated shootings for his 2nd amendment rights has gotten front stage on this sacred day.
Thank you for being here for us in NYC that day. π I hope your health is okay.All the good will of the world we had, all the people that came from everywhere to help us, I can't believe 24 years later this is where we are. π₯
Bush blew all that good will in less than a year, the drunken frat boy who was awol his last year of NG service. Stupid War against Iraq which we are still paying for and will be for another 50 years until all the thousands of horribly wounded Vets from that fiasco have died.
It was the wrong war in the wrong place. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia where 19 of the 22 hijackers were from. But Bush was too busy calling the FBI off of interviewing some of the Saudis on the plane in Boston where they were getting ready to leave the US. The only plane in the air that day in the United States. Some major funny business involved.
not to mention the one MILLION Iraqis who died as a result of our criminal invasion.
I think everyone is overreacting.
I completely agree.
I must dither, Uncle Jeff. Political Violence Solves Nothing. This truism is as true as it is an ism. It's so ism that it's not even wrong. What it *does* though, without fail, is move things to a new level, both really and performatively. It's not supposed to solve anything, it's supposed to disrupt a temporary stability point. Every shooter in the history of shooters has wanted to "spark the civil war" or some shit. And it hasn't come. You can say '...yet', sounding very wise on paper, but I would really like to understand why. Cretins with Gunz have been bellowing for 20 years that they were going to round up and kill all the Libs what did them dirty. People have died, as individuals and groups, but there's not been the glorious war they have claimed that we were starting (with the 'violence' we've wrought by opposing and mocking them). Why?
βPolitical Violence Solves Nothing.β
I see nothing in Jeffβs post or comments to indicate that he believes otherwise.
Right. That's what I said, he believes that, it was his subtitle. My point was that political violence has a completely different motivation and effect than to 'solve' something. It's a rhetorical straw man used by people who want to avoid the hard work of thinking. It's not the core issue.
Youβre opening line is right on the money. These twats are looking for any excuse whatsoever to Kent State us or worse.
Do the names Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby sound familiar here? Iβm miles away from the Q shit but something smells as bad as Trumpβs diaper about this whole thing
you know, we could ignore all the awful news, and instead argue about 'gantlet' vs 'gauntlet'
Is there an argument? Itβs gauntlet!
GANTLET. FIGHT ME.
https://www.grammarly.com/commonly-confused-words/gantlet-vs-gauntlet
"The word gantlet is primarily used to describe a form of corporal punishment or to represent a challenging experience. It's typically less common in modern English but still appears in historical contexts or in the phrase 'running the gantlet.' The expression is used metaphorically to refer to a situation where someone has to face a series of trials or criticisms."
Oh, in the sense of βrunning the gantlet.β I thought you were talking about gloves.
Same here. But I always thought you ran a gauntlet, didnt even know gantlet and Iβm a wordy guy. Glad to learn something I didnβt know. And will never use in the few years left.
You are correct that gantlet is the word. Gauntlet is a term for fingerless gloves. And you can take it from a high school graduate π
I graduated from a muffler shop and I say gauntlet for the glove, gantlet for the running punishment and gatlopp when I'm in Stockholm
I love arguing about the historical origins of language and the evolution of meaning.
LOL
Yes, letβs delve into a topic outside of politics. π
There is no such thing. Itβs all political these days.
Picky, picky, picky.
Gauntlet! A French word.
Anyway, the few liberals who really cackled over this killing are giving the Internet a chance to do what the Internet does best: scold.
I've always used "gauntlet" but either word is acceptable.
Let's do a whole grammar writing and watch us all explode with our opinions! It would be fun.
Well, well, well...I think I'm wrong. Maybe I should've been using 'gantlet' this whole time.
Saw it, ignored itβ¦
Liz Warren said it best..."Oh please. Why don't you start with the President."
She was exactly right. I love her.
Me too.
I voted for her in the primary, after Harris, dropped out of the race.Voted for Biden, in the general, I would definitely have preferred a woman.
Me too β because the women were the most qualified(except for Tulsi, of course). I went from Gillibrand to Harris to Warren and I liked Klobuchar as well.
I did also. Would have loved to see her as President
Yes and then let's get back to the Epstein files.
YES! Thank you, Elizabeth Warren!
I find it especially hypocritical to hear him talking about the people who go after our judges and law enforcement. The violent rhetoric and actual violence from the right don't justify violence from our side. However, the fact remains that if this shooter is someone from the left it will be the exception to the rule. Our side isn't perfect, but if you want to stop political violence, you have to start with the side responsible for the overwhelming majority of it.
Totally agree!
I suspect -and I hate this because Iβm usually not into conspiracies: The shooter was a pro...two hundred yards away? Indicates planning. I wonder if they "try, but never find him or her, because this person was paid to do it as a distraction to the Epstein mess. Putin has done shit like this, only it's usually poison or getting tossed out the window. The felon was very fast to get out there with his message, too. Where was he after Minnesotas tragedy? And did he address the Colorado school shooting that happened at the same time at Kirk?
Political violence is obviously not the answer to anything⦠but I wont miss the racist prick.
Anyone else think civil war is right around the corner?
I hate it here.
Why did NO ONE point out how STRANGE it was for a sitting President to not ever acknowledge the assassination / ambush of those D elected officials +family IN THEIR HOMES? Not even a 30 second acknowledgement call to the D governor� This is basic adulting at the very LEAST⦠I think Ds are dumb to let it slide, too. There are ways of bringing it up every single day in a non-confrontational manner until he does it. Now accusing the Left before anyone is even apprehended???⦠Fk this shit and the Americans who tolerate it.
It's not strange at all. It's very much in line with who he is. Only attacks on the right matter; the endless attacks perpetrated BY the right are no big deal.
Yes, Donny is seizing the narrative....
And they have perfected the technique. After 10 years the Dems STILL let them do it.
Likely part of creating the narrative. I see this all of it as him using all our lives as part of his shitty, personal reality show. He actually believes everything will be edited & rewritten to make him a star. He will never be a star, he's a no-talent, 2-bit criminal, ugly & cheap. He's not even that convincing of a villain, as horrific as nepo-baby sociopaths can be. Whatever people found compelling in his performance, it just shows how far expectations have fallen. He can't narrate worth a damn. π
49. But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year,* said to them, βYou know nothing,
50. nor do you consider that it is better for you that one man should die instead of the people, so that the whole nation may not perish.β
John 50:11 on how to quell the demand for the Epstein files.
I bring it up to my MAGA neighbors all the time. And they accuse me of using whataboutism. Theyβre not very sejf-aware. π
No MAGA is self aware
That was my thought, too, Susan. The timing is just too convenient. I wonder if the killer will ever be caught. I hate to think of myself as a conspiracist, but there are just too many questions right now.
What would be an inconvenient timing? What questions, other than who are they, where are they, and why'd they do it? Until we know, creating conspiracy theories are the WORST thing to do right now.
Itβs almost as though Donny had his response at the ready before the media had even confirmed that Kirk was dead.
YES! I totally agree⦠the felon was immediate with his response. Too immediate. It all stinks.
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-ai-2673984640/
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Remember the FBI 'never found the Jan 5 lady walking around DNC HQ with a pipe......
π Oh... thats right!
It is odd isn't it.....Putin meeting, 3 day disappearance and this.. The last time he disappeared with a Russian aircraft parked next to his plane was before Butler.....
π§
History of βWag the Dogβ:
.The 1997 film Wag the Dog⦠added the additional meaning of "superfluous (military) action in order to distract from domestic scandal."
-Miriam Webster
(Update: How about a βsuperfluous domestic action to distract from (military / political) scandal?β)
I think thereβs a non zero chance, but that most of the USA doesnβt give a toss about this stuff
Trump is just itching to declare war on the βradical leftwing lunaticsβ
Poor republicans and their heroes but children trapped defenseless in a school gets page eleven now slaughtered, never mouthed off of the evil βothersβ. I never heard anything by Kirk but clearly was a beloved shithead great white hope I can smell it from here.
Yes, Susan, I think of eventual civil war often. I could see what was coming in January and I know they want to goad us so they can shoot us. Maybe thatβs what it will take. I canβt believe Iβm saying this. Iβm too old for this shit. Nowhere is safe.
Same as the βassassination attemptβ in Butler, PA
Who benefited from Charlie Kirkβs murder? Trump and Putin. Trump needed a martyr and Charlie got too full of himself with the Epstein messaging; daring even once to be critical of Trump was disloyal. CK was a perfect sacrifice. Big name with a big future Trump would rather his sons get to enjoy. The Hero of Hitler Youth martyr will lock in the Christian Nationalist followers for decades. CK died before he was disgraced, e.g. caught shtuping a teenager. Blah blah. Putin benefits because he needs Trump to wage war against his own country and ignore the fact that Putin is flying drones over Poland. Putin is enlarging his war to include NATO, an organization CKβs death (national emergency) makes it easier for Trump to exit, giving Trump a reason to be inwardly, focused, and dismissive of international concerns. Ultimately, when Trump emerges from this faux national crisis and USA exit of NATO gave Putin his edge, Trump will start talking about Greenland again so he can build his empire just like Putin is trying to carve up the world. The worst thing we can do is be distracted and limit our imaginations to normal, law abiding thinking. Think WWASD (what would a sociopath do?) Putin is weak, but the Battle of the Bulge happened when Hitler was really weak.
There's plenty of shooters out there that could pull it off easily for whatever reasons they deem suitable without them being part of any conspiracy to distract from Epstein. Come back to Earth until the facts are in.
You're saying the sane, rational thing, Irascible. Normally, I'd be the first one to back you. And part of me does agree with you 100%. But we haven't been in a sane, rational world since January 20th. We've seen over and over that what we never thought was possible, is, in fact, possible. Your advice to NOT jump to conclusions is very well taken, but Bizarro President has taught us to automatically suspect the worst, because it's so often true now.
"Come back to earth"?
So noted.
π
Irascible, I absolutely agreed with you in pre-Jan 6 world. Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell failed to see Jan 6 for what it was: fearless reach for dominion followed by zero contrition. Fool me onceβ¦We have a lawless SCOTUS and three female justices write dissents that read more like obituaries of our democracy. CKβs blood was meant to hurt us.
Charlie Kirk is on record saying that some people need to die to protect our second amendment freedoms. He just thought it would be a lot of schoolkids, not him. Oops.
Oopsie !
karma, or something, finally did its job
Irony is alive and well. He was giving a speech on the 2nd Amendment in support of guns vs. public safety called "Prove Me Wrong." Well, he got proven.
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.
Looks like Charlie got his prudent deal.
As I said, live by the sword and die by the sword. Probably a false flag operation to distract from Epstein, Epstein, Epstein!
and also, a justification to send NG/military into all corners of the country.
I came here to say exactly that.
EXACTLY, he reaped what republicans are sowing ... GET. THE. EPSTEIN. FILES.
Schumer forced a vote yesterday, where they (R) are now all on recordβ¦ protecting pedophaelia π³βΌοΈ
A vote means nothing to them.. Unless we can get the files, they win. Pinning down people on votes is so 90s. Schumer is always being outmaneuvered
Schumer is a proceduralist living in a bygone era. At least he finally did something besides pen strongly worded letters that were flushed down the gold toilets.
They RAN on releasing the Files. At least they can be called out in races for reneging on that?
To what effect, though? They absolutely do. not. care. that they've been proven to be hypocrites a thousand times over. The media won't call them on it, and neither will the MAGAs.
True. Rs Tripling down has been working just fine - as well as leveraging ppls tiny attention spans⦠trying to find a win somewhere :/
Including that concerned bitch Susie Collins
Well, the good news is that she is not going to be reelected. Maine has a really solid candidate, and he will win by a landslide. Assuming that we get to vote.
Now we can get into the real tragic news child rapists and dopey the whole Epstein baby raping world.
His wife must be a masochist.
What I meant is a former Ms. correction Miss Arizona, working on her βdoctorate in biblical studiesβ at Liberty University.
I had to self censor the first part of my post.
Seriously?
Every person who supports the guy who joked about Pelosi getting his head clawed open with a hammer should take a seat and STFU.
EXACTLY.
I'm not a tinfoil hat kinda guy but something about this assassination seems a little false-flaggy. Guy was shot from two hundred yards away. That's two football fields. Something ain't kosher. And while we're on the subject of all-things-kosher, let's bear in mind that the late Charlie Kirk was hardly good for the Jews (or anyone else for that matter). Fatso crowned him, "The voice of America's youth." Sure, if you're a trans-and homo-phobic nutcase. Another round of the Horst Wessell song, maestro. Or horse's ass, if you prefer.
DJ! I said the same thing. I agree. Itβs soooo off.
And, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think the Butler, Pennsylvania thing was staged.
Iβve never been into conspiracy theories as a rule either, but Trumpβs ear and Kirkβs obviously trained sniper is forcing me to reckon with what I used to think was an area populated by weirdos and paranoids
Welcome , my friend. You will be happy here with us.
Right and calling that lunatic hiding in the bushes at cacklesβ golf course a β second assassination attemptβ is beyond the stretch.
Yep. Never even saw Trump, didnβt even shoot back at the SS agent.
Thingβs ear healed very quickly with nary a scar.
He probably had a capsule of fake blood in his hand. That whole "fight, fight, fight!" fist thing looked rehearsed to me. When it comes to MAGA's, the way they point fingers and claim QAnon conspiracies seems like their usual MO = blame others for what you are doing.
I always assumed it was a ketchup packet from McDonaldβs.
Good one!!
It was very fake. His agents would have dragged him down immediately and not let him get up. All fake.
100%
Yeah, not to mention the regenerating ear. And you see they've wasted no time blaming the Left.
Me too. 2 people died as a result of tRumpβs stunt
A Butler style " assassination " stunt , gone wrong ?
Kristy, That depends from my view point somebody set out to do a job and has gotten away with it, so far. How about odds itβs a disgruntled trumper because itβs the current trend. Elmo did a lot of hater making.
I'm going with the conspiracy theory that it was a Russian sniper. This was designed to detract from Epstein and also to set off civil war. A win-win for Putin.
Absolutely.
Kirk was shot in the neck, but itβs possible the single bullet bounced off a bulletproof vest or his chest before striking his neck. If you watch the show in slow motion (which I donβt want you to do), it appears his chest was hit first by the same bullet.
-meidastouch
Karma will have her way.
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Jeff and fellow travelersβ¦ recall Horst Wessel, the Nazi that was killed prior to Hitler gaining power. The Nazis used this killing as a propaganda tool to thrust the Nazi party into a more favorable position to take over Germany. Today we have almost the same scenario with Donald acting as judge and jury without any factual evidence to back his claims.. This crew has no critical thinking skills as evidence from all the right wing talkers making ridiculous conclusions. Letβs not forget the children that were shot at school yesterday, letβs not forget the 9-11 attack on our country, letβs not forget our government is run by psychopaths and x Fox employees.
EXACTLY! You have nailed it, Fredo.
Fastball for the win, the list goes on but lefties didnβt do a thing about Hillaryβs emails and the Biden schlong (svanzkaniska ala Young Frankenstein Yiddish) or in Nosferatuβs words βTrump took a bullet for amerikaβ and we really need to know more but thatβs why the patsie in that novel was immediately murdered. Do you sense a pattern here the worlds worst pedophile hangs his own damn self, I wish we had a as in one surveillance tape.
He's Dead, and I honestly, as a Trans woman, do not feel so good myself.
Why?
https://thistleandmoss.com/p/charlie-kirk-is-dead-and-right-now
That is reason enough.
Can we heal from this? Can we just move on? Can the fucker NOT be cannonized by Trump?
So tired.
Because honestly, they are coming after me next.
Well done Wendy. TPUSA is behind a recall petition of my city council member in the district I live in. I went to a city council meeting in June and was treated to listening to a bunch of MAGA assclowns, mostly old white men kvetching about how my council member's crime was advocating for homeless, battered women and supported Kamala Harris and Ruben Gallego. I'm canvassing this Saturday for my council member to keep her job.
If you go out and advocate or protest, drop me a note.....we have protest and support organization efforts going on , here at WtD, so if you needed local engagement and help, just let us know.
Iβm legit scared. I donβt know what to do or where to go.
We build what we can around those we can protect. Ive been doing it for months. Like Jeff, I run my pub as a support network and a family. And I give a shit.
Come to Canada. I know that sounds like a trite solution and a petty response. I'm sorry. But damn, you could at least breathe easy here and relax. There are lots of folks here who are ready and able to help refugees from the U.S.
my daughter here in Canada has taken in a trans person from the US
We live in a pocket of the BC interior that has a history of taking in folks who need protection: hundreds of draft dodgers during the Vietnam war, Quakers who were driven out of the U.S. due to their pacifist beliefs, the Doukabors who were driven out of Russia for pacifist beliefs. We also established meaningful relationships with the Japanese who were interred in our region, and many of them stayed here when they were free to go. We have had to offer our home on too many occasions to folks who are discriminated against and in danger, who seek safety from tyranny. And we continue to offer sanctuary to anyone who needs it.
I used to live in an area in Ontario where there were a lot of Viet Nam draft-dodgers - there's a lot of bigoted and anti-immigrant propaganda happening in Canada now (and anti-trans etc.), inevitable I suppose, especially as neighbours to the US - hope we can maintain our humanity
Could I just claim to be trans? Who's to know? Canada, here I come. My Exband and I emigrated (legally) to Canada during the Vietnam war. Now, I'm really sorry that I came home .
You could come to the Bay Area. Who would notice?
Or Palm Springs, Ca. It's all good.
But you'll need air conditioning...
Excellent piece Wendy π
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Yeah, this is terrible. And itβs a paradox. Iβve no tears for him, and Iβm willing to cast him as a martyr to the second amendmentβhe would have wanted it this way, he gave the last full measure of devotion to the principle that random shootings are the American way.
At the same time, itβs not making the world any better and itβs all really fishy. And MAGA is making hay off it. President Wonderful may have been cossy-playing Col Kilgore napalming Chicago on Sunday, but today heβs got concerning concerns about rhetoricβ¦
I think most people have no idea who this hate goblin was, and all itβs going to do is give Trump a few days pressure-relief from Epstein.
"itβs not making the world any better" Yes it is. The world does not have Charlie Kirk in it any more.
Charlie Kirk=FAFO!πΏ
Not a good idea to celebrate anyoneβs death, from gunfire or anything else. Bad karma, dude.
I don't celebrate anyone's death, but I am grateful that I don't have to listen to his hateful and hate-filled rhetoric any more.
Different things entirely.
Bob didn't have anything to do with it.
I am not thinking about CHARLIE KIRK today. He isn't worth my energy. I amthinking about 9/11/2001.I am daily thinking about the murdered School children in AMERICA and all those dead Americans who are shot by GUN NUTS..
CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED . That is it. And..TRUMPS BESTIES IN THE UAE issued Passports to the HIJACKERS & chopped up KASHOGGIE..That is it. We are clear here.
Yes!!
"CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED ."
Best summary we're ever going to see.
So yeah. The horseshoe is beginning to bend back on me and I'm slipping into some Q territory. I didn't have enough definitive information on the Trump assassination attempt, all I've seen is snark and a dead weirdo shooter. So I did not venture into speculation.
But this. This is a whole nuther kettle o' fish.
- dressed in black
- vanished completely
- spot chosen surrounded by buildings, high level of wind control
- a single shot, 200 yards, through the neck
I don't know what I don't know. I never do.
The guy sounds like he knew what he was doing. A trained sniper? I donβt know, but he was able to pierce the carotid artery and jugular vein in one shot. You canβt put a tourniquet on a neck.
George Iβm right there with youβ¦. this is SO off. It reeks of a planned eventβ¦an important distraction from Epstein.
A well trained sniper, probably military.
Maybe, but is that the most important thing about this? I don't know what I don't know. We've got walking and quacking ducks, but there's always more to everything, always.
Maybe an odd duck ?
Or a genius duck ?
Who knows.
Probably Russian.
I hope to God this wasn't something kind of tipping point. I doubt Republicans will start calling for gun legislation.
And I condemn the violence. Charlie reaped what he sowed.
If anything, they'll ratchet up gun rights rhetoric even more.
And just in time yesterday, FL's ban on open carry was declared unconstitutional. This was always my biggest fear in the time I've lived here and am so grateful my escape plan is already in place.
Unfortunately, I'm stuck here in Cracker Central (Jacksonville)
With Boebert and Luna on the floor as House membersβ¦ sorry; I canβt believe I could write any sentence that begins like that. Oy, gevalt.
Meshugganah!
Tru dat!
Fakakta schiksas !
My Yiddish spelling is messed up.
Yiddish isnβt in the autocorrect lexicon. The robot agents are schmucks.
Schlemiels ?
Correct.
It really gets disappointing when you look at the hypocrisy from the right and the fact that if their boys do it, itβs always mental illness βbut they sure like blaming progressives for shit they had no part in.