Im waiting for the shooter to be identified as a Trans person, so that the Administration can then officially hunt me down and "camp" me because they have deemed me a threat to society.
As a Druid, I despise killing or taking of ANY life, and that I am lead to believe inherently that all life has value and purpose. Yes, its hard to quantify this for me as a Trans person (one of his USUAL targets), and I struggle with it. But Killing is wrong.
Your values are good ones, Wendy. Hold onto your belief that all life has value, because it does. It's hard. I'm sure, but you have purpose and I appreciate you.
I’m with you on this one and despise what my thoughts have become since tRUMP rode down that fucking escalator. I just never knew he was such an evil malignant narcissistic psychopath who could stoop to the lowest of lows without hesitation or conscience, getting pleasure out of inciting hatred, violence and retribution. Everything he touches turns to shit or literally dies and then tRUMP turns ppl (in this case Kirk)into a martyr
Unfortunately, I always knew what he was but felt so helpless when others looked at him as simply a type of Hugh Hefner wanna-be. He WAS that too, but far more malignant and vicious. It comes off him in waves - if you're a woman with that kind of radar. brr.
I'll be there with you Chris and i have a gang of Veterans to come with. We fought for all of our freedoms. Dems have been absolute cowards about Trans rights and so we will be every where we can! There are way more blue/lib vets than you know, a lot of us joined for school benefits and oh hey look, it's September 11th 2001. Then as long as we lived we went to school 👍🤣 (dark humor)
Wendy - Don’t look now but the hoaxiest of hoaxes “trans antifa engraved ammunition” just graced the pages of the periodical formerly known as a financial publication WSJ. We’re now living in a cartoon illustrated in St. Petersburg (not Florida).
They are already claiming that "trans ideology" was engraved on the bullet casing....wtf is that, and how many words can you engrave on a bullet casing to constitute "ideology" and how many votes that nothing like this ever happened but Trump told Ka$h to say it because otherwise heʻll lose his job?
What exactly is 'trans ideology'? I've been wracking what's left of my brain and I can't come up with a single example of what that would be? And how many words would this 'ideology' be? And how would these words fit on a single bullet?
Methinks these freaks are using Luigi as an example. If he did it, then the next supposedly 'left-wing, antifa' shooter must have done the same.
PS. WSJ walked back the whole thing. The bullets weren't engraved with any words.
LOVE this! I'd offer too but my house just isn't too habitable right now, but IF I had help to clear out a LOT of 'stuff' and clutter from upstairs (the 'new' room we added on), it's huge, has windows with views everywhere AND shades, AND a pullout couch AND a nearly completed bathroom, AND a balcony leading to my heavily wooded backyard which leads to.........? only the shadow knows. Unity!
Okay, you win. My house is not particularly hospitable right now. It is far from "huge" but it is out of the way. It's a work in progress, which isn't saying much. It's hard to get good help. And doesn't this sound like Nazi Germany?
Exactly - AND France, Poland and so many other Countries fighting for survival back then. Just like us now. :( MY main problem is that room IS stacked with tiles (for the unfinished bathroom) AND all of the already-bought fixtures still in their boxes. It also houses my husband's 'office' which began life put together from Pottery Barn cabinets, etc. which he used for his 'work at home' for a few years but has since allowed to deteriorate. I don't get up there too much (the stairs are tough on my very painful back) and he's still somehow under the impression that only women 'clean and dust'. He also buys umpteen cacti and they're scattered everywhere as well. It was quite beautiful - for a couple of years. Sigh. My keyboard and some of my other instruments are up there too - I'd go off into my other world playing and even singing for hours but haven't been able to more recently. I miss it. Need to seriously get back to what makes me happy - and get it DONE. :)
He just has been so "identified"--there's a report that the rifle was engraved with pro trans and antifa sentiments. How terribly convenient for the Right. I do trust they will check to be sure that this particular rifle fired the bullet--and how fresh the engravings are.
I've been catching up with older CSI-Miami and CSI-NY shows on a 'new'? channel called 'Charge' (for some reason) on my Dish. Would that the experts on those shows were real and could work their magic for the sanity (and safety) of us all. I don't trust the partisan hacks frump has put in charge of these agencies, one iota.
You know what really pisses me off? I just purchased some bumper stickers that say: "I didn't sign up for Fascism". They're fairly large and will need to go on the sides of my car. Now I'm not sure I want to put them on. But, dammit, Charlie Kirk didn't hesitate to spew HATEFUL shit every day. Yes, I'm willing to take a bullet for my exercise of freedom of speech, but it shouldn't have to be this way.
I'm in your boat too, Jan. My husband isn't AS political or as 'willing to take a bullet for his beliefs' as I am, so refuses to put ANYTHING on our vehicle, since he does most of the driving nowadays (my vision issues are a factor). I had planned to wear the long-sleeved t-shirt I got last year showing what resembles a Tide logo claiming it 'gets out orange stains', which I know will set off any magat I may run into. I might wait a month. AP reports that the magat-world has gone ballistic, wanting ANY person mentioning Kirk in any non-favourable ways (beginning with Mathew Dowd) fired and even JAILED while ass-uming and accusing ALL Democrats of this murder when there's as yet no proof of who and why. My instincts are still screaming that this was too perfectly timed to divert attention away from the Epstein files and those brave survivors speaking out.
I'd hazard a guess that the current moron 'in charge of' the Feebs read the normal numbers/letters on the bottom of a standard shell casing and immediately LEAPED to that conclusion because he IS a moron and of course desperately needs to justify his position to orange baby man. I don't believe ANYTHING from him/them, and that's just how awful it is - they've destroyed ALL trust in what once was a fairly respected entity.
Also, I would think if anything, it was someone whose loved one or good friend was killed in a school shooting since kirk thought it was perfectly fine for people to be killed in order to protect our second amendment rights. I myself call it Karma.
It easily 'could' be that simple OR someone who took major offense to his awful homophobic insinuations when Paul Pelosi was bashed in the head with a HAMMER by an intruder who invaded his home to kill/kidnap his wife Nancy Pelosi (our speaker of the House)! For pity's sake the man was past 80, dozing on his couch in his underwear, yet Kirk made horrid allusions to it being a 'homosexual tryst gone wrong', triggering THAT continued awful lie in the magat-sphere. They've been sniggering about it ever since. How could he?! 'Some' would then suggest that his own awful rhetoric came around BUT those who even suggested the remote possibility of this are being HORRIBLY targeted by the now unleashed worst of the worst right now. I amn't sure it'll blow over which again, convinces me this was planned.
You don't have to agree, Kim. Most won't. But my take on it is that it simply doesn't matter to them WHO speaks the same nasty language...they have 'priorities' and when a sacrificial lamb is necessary, they'd choose one who might make the biggest impact, caring nothing at all for that person or their family. At the same time, they get to use his murder to their advantage. That would not be a new 'device', Think of Oswald and Jack Ruby. There 'could' also be an element of resentment since certain people were beginning to talk about him as a potential extreme right-wing presidential candidate down the road. They have their own already picked out: a 'dynasty' if you will. Remember - this is pure speculation based on how deeply they hate democrats AND require more and more distractions from something which has threatened to become too big and out of their control. That is all we're speculating about, AND because of their absolute uncaring and even laughter about (how quickly they forget) - of the recent murders of Democratic lawmakers IN their own homes. Their horrid comments then were beyond normalcy yet right now they're literally firing and even calling to ARREST anyone who dares tell the truth about Kirk's own rhetoric possibly playing a part in this. It's just all so horrid. Read the link Denise posted from Kao. These knuckleheads want us wiped off the face of the earth and are declaring 'war' over this murder.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. He made millions off spewing hate. In a year, he won't be remembered. Just another white supremacist in the dust. My give-a-shit bucket is empty.
We are still mourning the school shooting here in Minnesota. They were friends of my family. We are heart broken. And we all know this comes from the top of the food chain.
That's horrible. My heart goes out to your friend. That kind of pain never heals. As JoJo says, we shouldn't have to memorize our children's clothing incase we have to identify them later. This self inflicted war is on the citizens of this country by brainless politicians who hold us hostage by their craven desires for fame and greed.
Leon is also making millions on retweets of his divisive smears and accusations… but we’re too tired to regulate anything nowadays so oh well (shit half of our lawmakers don’t even know what a ‘diaper bag’ - is amirite)
After seeing Trump’s response and how quickly they had it prepared, I’m pretty convinced MAGA just sacrificed Charlie Kirk in an effort to save Trump from the Epstein Files and wars he can’t stop.
Believe I have read he was still calling for it, yes. And nutjob Loomer had just put out a nasty post (which she has since deleted) disparaging Kirk. Harshly.
I'm already reading that Mossad did it because Kirk had begun to criticize Israel, or the CIA did it because Kirk had been pressing to out the Epstein files. Supposedly, the shot that killed Kirk was so difficult, it would have required an expert sniper, so....
I've completed (it's a 1000+page book) reading 'Billy Summers', Stephen King's 2021 tome about one particular excellent sniper (and his 'gun for hire' life post-service). He's the protagonist and, contrary to King's usual horror stories. this one's a real, solid story/novel and a most excellent escapist read. The snipers who've mostly been trained IN our Armed Forces specify what 'difficult shots' are (and Stephen acknowledges those experts for all of the info he uses). I was genuinely surprised by what THEY consider 'difficult' - up to 1,600 feet! They talk about the differences between single-shooter and IN-service where they'd normally have a 2-man team with a spotter alongside. When I heard about this shooting, my first reaction was, of course - 'fuck, we didn't need THIS stupidity now', then when I realized a 'throat shot' (as described by my husband) - it would not be survivable without extreme paralysis or death knew it was a far worse situation. BUT the chyron scrolled across our screen kept repeating: 'Trump: Charlie Kirk is dead' (even when today's news said he died HOURS later?) WHY was HE making that call, pray tell? Shouldn't it have been Medical staff/his family? Third thought: 'could easily be a regular hunter-type with a spotting scope', surprising myself by how much I'd gotten from Stephen's book. My next reaction was: 'they' needed a sacrificial lamb as a HUGE distraction from the Epstein files, so who better than one who was already questioning AND one so many students would become incensed about and immediately want to blame Democrats for? So sue me for believing that those who didn't give one. single. fuck. about Democratic lawmakers being MURDERED in their own homes, canNOT NOW get to play their vicious 'blame democratic rhetoric' games, especially when THEY'RE the ones who ALWAYS go to '2nd Amendment solutions', the evil bastards. YET, MSNBC has fired Mathew Dowd for trying carefully to explain that Kirk's own rhetoric just might have played into this? We're being forced to live in a fucking upside-down world of magats-making and I'm SO tired of it. Now they've co-opted 9-11, a day I usually spent in quiet reflection with my animals, weeping still. smdh
Interesting and apropos facts from King's book, Elizabeth. They add context.
I hadn’t heard about Rump's "premature" announcement of Kirk's death until today, but it's....curious.
IMO, this event is going to be yet another case in which we'll never know the truth. And either the investigation will fail to nab the shooter, or the suspected shooter will be killed during the chase/arrest.
At most, any person who survives arrest will claim to be a patsy.
TY, Denise. I heard they 'have someone in custody' but shut off the news. Couldn't take anymore at that point. I have no idea who it is or what's going on outside of this forum and have my music playing right now. I DID hear one thing last night before hubby shut down his teevee: that Kate Miller (nosferatuMcgoebbel's wife) actually put out a post literally blaming democratic rhetoric for calling them 'fascists' and whatever else, for Kirk's murder. THAT was my last straw: she's married to THE worst and most evil (imho) excuse for a human in our country AND the architect of the most vile crimes against our residents who partially penned project 25 and SHE has the temerity to post her blind spew against 'democratic rhetoric'? She must be as much of a lunatic as the POS she married is all I can figure. I'm SO done today. Reading Jeff's post helped me tremendously. Thank you again for your insight.
Yes, I saw it plausibly suggested too, that Kirk may have been silenced for continuing to demand them. That sounds like the kind of "weave" we keep being subjected to, doing harm then keep hammering someone else is responsible.
Every perpetrator of violence in the last 4 years has been a Trump supporter. We will not have violence. The FBI reports significant footage of the shooter, both ingress and egress. They are reviewing that now to help identify the shooter. For the last 4 years, every perpetrator has been a Trump supporter, while Trump and the right have first jumped to blaming the left without any evidence. These are unbelievable facts. More than likely the idiom will hold true this time. We will not know for some time yet. https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/charlie-kirk-killing-political-violence?r=3m1bs&utm_medium=ios
This has the smell of a false flag job. It’s hard to declare Martial law against the peaceful.
So sacrifice one of your own to get the base hopped up and out for lib blood 🩸. Then , after sufficient violence you can justify a Martial law edict , wrongheaded as it might be
I sadly thought the same thing. And also sadly this shooter if they locate him (the right one) will probably be killed before anyone knows the truth (like the shooter who grazed trump's ear? But some innocent was killed.)
We will probably never know his true motivation. 😭
Have a strong feeling the shooter my be dead, suicide?? Not a conspiracy theorist but …. Have we ever heard anything about the kid who shot Trump or the doctors that fixed him. It would have been endless for anyone else?? Just can’t trust this corrupt admin.
Trump's "assassination" was obviously faked but involved a Republican shooter. The kid who shot Reagan was in no way political. George Lincoln Rockwell was shot by a fellow Nazi. Still, the MAGAs are running out of the woodwork screaming the "radical left" did this while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day. Hard to believe how stupid my country has become.
The weird thing was Trump out there saying Kirk was dead before the media was saying it. And he had a comment all typed out to read that wasn't his usual blithering.
Same thought here Ole. Kirk had been told by Trump to stop his constant speech about Epstein, and getting the files released. The gunman was obviously experienced, choosing lower caliber ammunition from a perched spot, then disappearing into the mayhem. Did Trump appear surprised by the assassination, as he was with the Israeli bombing in Qatar, after dining at Joes,
…knowing full well he was obviously briefed priorly by Israel.
'experienced' to a point, Patrick. I've already written about Stephen King's 'expert sniper' info in his book Billy Summers (a great read). Last night I caught a rerun of an MSNBC segment where a guest reiterated that it was not a difficult shot at all for an average hunter-type; the weapon a bolt-action rifle left behind AND that he (the expert) believed the killer's aim was 7-8" lower than his actual target. That tracks with everything I'd already surmised about 'expert snipers'. He clearly wanted to murder Kirk with a head shot and missed that BUT it was still an awful and unsurvivable injury. What 'I' can't comprehend are the multitude of people in attendance (NOT the Media) who posted fucking LOOPS of his gruesome murder over and over for ALL to watch - and they did! Why, if not to inflame the masses? Did they not spare a second's thought for his children/family? Ugh.
One thing makes me think that this could be a set up is how they took Charlie away from the scene. I watched the video numerous times to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. Police officers are security officers carrying him to an SUV. I realise Charlie was only 31 but he is a divisive figure and I am sure has had death threats. In addition there were a lot of people there of different ages. Why did they not have medical help? Why was he wounded and there was no ambulance no paramedic at all? That just seems off.
Oh FFS. He wasn't the POTUS, why would all that be standing by just for him, just in case? And if it HAD been, I guarantee THAT would be being questioned as well as seeming "off". 🙄
Really? We pull 1000 people at my synagogue for the high Holy days. No ambulance. You're making a blanket “rule” for shit. Maybe ask the college themselves what rules THEY have instead of speculating.
EVERY event where 3,000 - or even fewer people are in attendance (especially STUDENTS) FFS, has at LEAST one ambulance and security people 'standing by' everywhere I'VE been or seen 'in case of emergencies'. Ball games, graduations, concerts, any event where parents or kids are 'visiting' or could fall ill or be harmed. It's nothing remotely to do with being POTUS, and Kirk had the kind of money where he could easily afford his own security personnel but didn't seem to think he was at risk in this particular situation.
So what? Anecdotal evidence at its best. If there WERE an ambulance right there standing by, others would call THAT suspicous. With conspiracies, proof against the conspiracy is also proof OF it. 🙄
I was also thinking that an event with a fair number of people might require medical intervention and an ambulance. But, my bad, I didn’t realize we only have a fuck if it was the president. I guess I didn’t “understand the assignment” asshole!
What's the policy of the college with regards to having an ambulance and paramedics on site “just in case"? Have you checked?
BTW, I guarantee you everyone there did the best they could. I also guarantee you Kirk was dead before he was put in the SUV. That kind of injury is NOT survivable. He went unconcious within 2 seconds from massive blood loss to the brain. He bled out by the time he hit the ground.
Well, we're trying not to be, but having spent some time batting down the BlueAnons JAQing off about Butler PA, I can assure you there's far more of them than one can imagine.
I wouldn't doubt it. Especially since the last several elections were won by Democrats who flipped several seats and won 2 special elections in FL and 1 in N. Va. They can read the writing on the wall. They need hurry and install martial law.
And one of the biggest perpetrators was CK himself. His snarky replies to a man asking genuine and sincere questions right before CK was shot was disgusting, dismissive and shallow. He made his own bed (in my opinion).
No one deserves to be assassinated for their speech Angie, Kirk was an odious wastrel indeed. But his son had to watch his father murdered, that’s tragic!
Huh, Angie, claimed “he made his bed” in her opinion. He might very well have, however, being assassinated for one’s speech is a tragedy. I’m unsure of what you’re referencing LTBW???
You know, that's a problem with republicans. They can never think of or understand consequences. That's not a tragedy. If he was dying for the second amendment, or in front of his son, he might have understood some of the consequences of what he was saying or doing. You can be sad all you want, but it's his fault, what he said and what he did. We had nothing to do with it.
I abhor guns, the use of them to 'settle' arguments, disputes, wars. Utter stupidity drives those who pick up a device which fires a projectile INTO another human's fragile human body. Those who use them are cowards. Those who PROMOTE the use of these guns to 'settle a dispute' are likewise despicable cowards (in my book) primarily because innocent bystanders are almost always the ones to suffer. As far as Kirk's son 'watching' - I've heard that was promoted entirely falsely by another right-wing conspiracy theorist since his family was NOT in attendance at the University so did not witness his murder. Whatever the REAL truth is, THEY are going to maximize the cruelty beyond anything we've ever seen precisely to turn him into a martyr for their cause and to allow them to hurt as many of US as possible since they're calling for the entire 'annihilation' of democrats. Allow that to sink in.
Agreed, guns have little purpose in today’s society, aside from being used for sustenance. Having spent years working as an animator/photographer, many of them with defense contractors and government, I believe little of what’s been reported on MSM or the net, I’ve seen far too many things, false flags, psyops and psychopaths in my life! Nothing that comes out of the miasma of morons mouths makes sense… I question much more than I believe Elizabeth, wish more people did?
But you can't get ANYBODY on the right to believe that. Obviously, they don't WANT to believe it, so they won't. All they need is just one incident by somebody on the left and they think it counterbalances dozens of incidents from the right. Or, they just lie and insist that someone was a "leftist" even with tons of evidence that someone was on the right of the political spectrum. They don't care about truth or stopping this sort of thing. They care about demonizing people they disagree with.
I doubt that we will ever know the perpetrator. Patel fired all of the experienced people from the FBI. He’s left with ‘yes men’ and right wing fanatics.
WE know that they've been frump supporters, but I think you might not be aware of what the maga-verse is doing RIGHT NOW when you say 'we will not have violence'. They are LITERALLY calling for 'wiping out the entire Democratic Party - including anyone who supports them'. QUOTES on their platforms right now, liked and repeated over and over. 'they don't need no stinking proof', they KNOW we're all 'guilty' since frump has spewed this out to them. Elon Musk is fomenting this as well. THEY believe that WE are the violent ones and they are all innocent babes in the woods. Up is down, back is front and we all should be extremely careful. They are EVEN calling for seeking us out on these very platforms, Carl - where some of us use our real names.
It's insane. It is catastrophic for the US. I did not wish him dead, but I will shed no tears for this awful man. But he is now a martry to the "MAGA Cause" and this will lead to nothing good. As to motive, it could be someone on the left who has been radicalized. It could also be someone from the radical right who wanted to create a martry and provoke certain reactions from the regime. There could be other motives, but one of these two is the most likely. Either way, the only extremist rhetoric I ever hear is NOT from the Democrats. I hate to say this, but I hope that it is a radical right person who decided to take things into their own hands. This might be the only glimmer of hope we have to avoid further statements like the one from Joe Mannarino that the Democratic Party should be declared a domestic terrorist organization. Because these MAGA idiots including President FuckFace will NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP!
It’s really sad we’ve gotten to this point. Because now it feels like I’m an insane crazy conspiracy theorist like MTG. But I wouldn’t put it past him not a bit. I think Butler was staged and two people were sacrificed for that.
We should 'say his name' Thomas Cook. AND demand a real investigation into the whys and wherefores. Why are HIS parents so silent? At the time they were supposedly strong frump supporters, so why would he have been there firing a round which frump claimed 'tore through my skin' yet somehow only nicked the tip of his ear, did not cause a brain concussion EVERY expert said it would have had to AND that ear somehow magically grew back in 10 days? You are no 'conspiracy theorist'. That entire debacle was clearly staged according to ANYONE with a security or police background, or who knows anything at all about the kind of ammo used. At worst, frump was probably nicked by a splinter from the podium or plexiglas. Should I mention the rest of the stupidity of his 'security' not immediately throwing him to the floor while seeking a second or even third shooter instead of what actually transpired? smdh
I have the same feelings! It’s so easy to get trapped into that- but now he’s taking Air Force one to pick up his body and fly with it to Arizona. What is that about? Why did Kash Patel say that they had a suspect in custody? For 2 hours? Everyone stopped looking for them. Then OOPS! Never mind. Keep looking!!
It feels like you are because you're allowing yourself to be. Don't. CTs are corrosive to shared reality. How something "seems" doesn't mean that's how it is. Wait for facts.
'We' do? I'm a New Yorker. WE were finding parts of bodies ON rooftops YEARS after, FFS. One of my neighbours (and a good soul despite later turning magat), a forcibly-retired fireman who was IN that pit and badly injured during the course of searching for his fellows, also sustaining lung damage so is now living on borrowed time. He told me facts which never came out publicly. NO ONE yet knows 'the full story'.
September 11, 2001….A tragic day in America, and we all came together to support each other. Us old folks will never forget the horror, I hope the younger folks learn about it and respect those who died and those who lived through it. Never forget.🇺🇸
As a 9/11 first responder I'm sickened by how the death of this racist rich boy, who advocated shootings for his 2nd amendment rights has gotten front stage on this sacred day.
Thank you for being here for us in NYC that day. 🙏 I hope your health is okay.All the good will of the world we had, all the people that came from everywhere to help us, I can't believe 24 years later this is where we are. 😥
Bush blew all that good will in less than a year, the drunken frat boy who was awol his last year of NG service. Stupid War against Iraq which we are still paying for and will be for another 50 years until all the thousands of horribly wounded Vets from that fiasco have died.
It was the wrong war in the wrong place. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia where 19 of the 22 hijackers were from. But Bush was too busy calling the FBI off of interviewing some of the Saudis on the plane in Boston where they were getting ready to leave the US. The only plane in the air that day in the United States. Some major funny business involved.
Sara: I know some others beside my firefighter neighbour who sacrificed. THANK YOU for your courage and sacrifice that day. My husband couldn't get home (he normally travelled through Manhattan so had to somehow figure out alternative routes - but he was safe). I was later very grateful that he wasn't exposed to that awful 'dust' as it was referred to. Contaminated awfulness which has taken so many of our bravest. Like Robin, I so hope your health is still good. I'm one who will never, ever, EVER forget.
Thank you for your concern. Unfortunately, I developed Lymphoma and now the WTC health program might be cut. I'm happy your husband was able to avoid the toxic "dust" I remember it being all over me till I was grey all over. I was in healthcare then. My job was to irrigate the firemen's eyes. I'm not one of the heroes, but the hugs I got that day made me feel like one.
Sara, your diagnosis hit me right in the gut. I am SO, so sorry and hope you have good doctors and treatment right now? We're still fighting in Courts to prevent those cuts, despite bobby brainworm's ultra-stupidity in imagining he knows better than our medical experts. GAD, I can't stand it - and him! Please do NOT ever imagine that you weren't /AREN'T just as heroic as those firemen whose eyes you irrigated! YOU and so many others rushed in to help disregarding your own personal safety. That makes you heroic in MY book - and all the rest of us New Yorkers! That dust was SO toxic I know those exposed (and covered by it) were also later ruled to be eligible for full compensation, even those NOT first responders, but simply pedestrians trying to get away from the collapse. Have you been able to look into every possible source for help? Now my heart hurts even more for you. :'( HUGS
You’re opening line is right on the money. These twats are looking for any excuse whatsoever to Kent State us or worse.
Do the names Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby sound familiar here? I’m miles away from the Q shit but something smells as bad as Trump‘s diaper about this whole thing
Have you seen or even heard about what 'they' (on the political right wing) are posting about? You need to before thinking we're overreacting. They are literally calling for every. democrat. to. be. annihilated! They want the democratic PARTY to be annihilated AND anyone who has so much as mentioned Kirk in any kind of even slightly truthful fashion (which they translate to 'derogatory') to be imprisoned or worse. SOME of those screaming this are very influential at the highest levels of the shit-show which is now the current 'administration'. I notice you don't use your real name here so are relatively safe.
I must dither, Uncle Jeff. Political Violence Solves Nothing. This truism is as true as it is an ism. It's so ism that it's not even wrong. What it *does* though, without fail, is move things to a new level, both really and performatively. It's not supposed to solve anything, it's supposed to disrupt a temporary stability point. Every shooter in the history of shooters has wanted to "spark the civil war" or some shit. And it hasn't come. You can say '...yet', sounding very wise on paper, but I would really like to understand why. Cretins with Gunz have been bellowing for 20 years that they were going to round up and kill all the Libs what did them dirty. People have died, as individuals and groups, but there's not been the glorious war they have claimed that we were starting (with the 'violence' we've wrought by opposing and mocking them). Why?
Right. That's what I said, he believes that, it was his subtitle. My point was that political violence has a completely different motivation and effect than to 'solve' something. It's a rhetorical straw man used by people who want to avoid the hard work of thinking. It's not the core issue.
I STILL think the assassination of CK was planned and funded through and by the "optics guys" within the tRump administration. Look how it drew attention away from Putin's blatant incursion into Poland! Look how it took attention away from all of the recently released information on the life and crimes of the orange man. Who wins? So who was it that really did the deed! "Follow the money."
I’m just watching breaking news about the shooter being in touch and they said that there were over 3000 people there and only six campus police officers. And no medical tent or anything like that. I still think that if you are going to have any kind of rally like that with that many people, they’re very likely will be some sort of need for both security and medical attention. Not necessarily a shooting, but that’s a lot of peopleto figure that six campus police officers can deal with all of this on their own. I’m sure that they did a great job and the very best they could do. I just question the wisdom of that set up.
OK I have a question that is maybe only slightly related to this. The flags being at half staff for Kirk, is that not OK? Seen some comments and things that people feel it not appropriate because he doesn’t need certain criteria. I know there are some strict criteria that are supposed to be met. We are flying the flag at half staff. Just curious.
"The word gantlet is primarily used to describe a form of corporal punishment or to represent a challenging experience. It's typically less common in modern English but still appears in historical contexts or in the phrase 'running the gantlet.' The expression is used metaphorically to refer to a situation where someone has to face a series of trials or criticisms."
Same here. But I always thought you ran a gauntlet, didnt even know gantlet and I’m a wordy guy. Glad to learn something I didn’t know. And will never use in the few years left.
Even growing up in Scotland which took its educational system extremely seriously and considered better even than England's, the word THEY used was 'running the gauntlet' AS well as 'gauntlet' used as the type of 'glove' worn with armour, so that'd be my pick.
Me too — because the women were the most qualified(except for Tulsi, of course). I went from Gillibrand to Harris to Warren and I liked Klobuchar as well.
I find it especially hypocritical to hear him talking about the people who go after our judges and law enforcement. The violent rhetoric and actual violence from the right don't justify violence from our side. However, the fact remains that if this shooter is someone from the left it will be the exception to the rule. Our side isn't perfect, but if you want to stop political violence, you have to start with the side responsible for the overwhelming majority of it.
I suspect -and I hate this because I’m usually not into conspiracies: The shooter was a pro...two hundred yards away? Indicates planning. I wonder if they "try, but never find him or her, because this person was paid to do it as a distraction to the Epstein mess. Putin has done shit like this, only it's usually poison or getting tossed out the window. The felon was very fast to get out there with his message, too. Where was he after Minnesotas tragedy? And did he address the Colorado school shooting that happened at the same time at Kirk?
Political violence is obviously not the answer to anything… but I wont miss the racist prick.
Anyone else think civil war is right around the corner?
Why did NO ONE point out how STRANGE it was for a sitting President to not ever acknowledge the assassination / ambush of those D elected officials +family IN THEIR HOMES? Not even a 30 second acknowledgement call to the D governor…? This is basic adulting at the very LEAST… I think Ds are dumb to let it slide, too. There are ways of bringing it up every single day in a non-confrontational manner until he does it. Now accusing the Left before anyone is even apprehended???… Fk this shit and the Americans who tolerate it.
It's not strange at all. It's very much in line with who he is. Only attacks on the right matter; the endless attacks perpetrated BY the right are no big deal.
Likely part of creating the narrative. I see this all of it as him using all our lives as part of his shitty, personal reality show. He actually believes everything will be edited & rewritten to make him a star. He will never be a star, he's a no-talent, 2-bit criminal, ugly & cheap. He's not even that convincing of a villain, as horrific as nepo-baby sociopaths can be. Whatever people found compelling in his performance, it just shows how far expectations have fallen. He can't narrate worth a damn. 😅
Lol, yeah, I'm sure it's but ONE way, but my earnest idealism & sincere belief in integrity aside, nothing pisses me off more than wasting time on a shitty story. Life is too short. I had a choice not to watch this on TV, but to be held hostage as captive audience because this affects my life & people I care about...it is not acceptable, to be force fed this crap. The show can't fail soon enough for me!
AND (as I was reminded) was THE one who specifically invented the enormous LIE about the brutal hammer attack on Paul Pelosi witnessed by police officers ffs as a 'homosexual assignation gone wrong', then snickered about it. He was truly vile in his utterances about a VERY ELDERLY MAN who nearly died from that horrific attack. One could say that karma came around yet I STILL don't condone his murder for his disgusting rhetoric. IN America we are allowed to speak our minds, no matter what. Our First Amendment guarantees us that RIGHT. It does not give us the right to USE our rhetoric to harm others or cause them to be harmed. It's a fine line these hate-mongers tread.
Funny how a guy who got his first real world job outside the family business (at age 71!) - is looked up to as someone who can just figure it out on the fly. ‘After golfing’. smh
That was my thought, too, Susan. The timing is just too convenient. I wonder if the killer will ever be caught. I hate to think of myself as a conspiracist, but there are just too many questions right now.
What would be an inconvenient timing? What questions, other than who are they, where are they, and why'd they do it? Until we know, creating conspiracy theories are the WORST thing to do right now.
Conveniently distracting (again) from the EPSTEIN FILES, as frump is taking full advantage of, declaring Democrats horrible people who 'did this' as if the last few days of his clear LIES about Epstein's 50th Birthday Book has now been dismissed because of this murder. THIS is how he operates with what I think of as the attention span of a flea. 'Oh good, we're moving on to this now. SO the other's all gone and I can forget about it'. THIS is how small children react and behave, NOT grown adults. He will be shocked, SHOCKED when the EPSTEIN FILES are kept in the News once Kirk is laid to rest and most likely tweet out some gibberish to that effect: 'how COULD you still be talking about EPSTEIN after CHARLIE was murdered! - but instead he'll call it assassinated. I'm expecting him to declare that CK deserves a state funeral.
It is odd isn't it.....Putin meeting, 3 day disappearance and this.. The last time he disappeared with a Russian aircraft parked next to his plane was before Butler.....
Poor republicans and their heroes but children trapped defenseless in a school gets page eleven now slaughtered, never mouthed off of the evil ‘others’. I never heard anything by Kirk but clearly was a beloved shithead great white hope I can smell it from here.
Yes, Susan, I think of eventual civil war often. I could see what was coming in January and I know they want to goad us so they can shoot us. Maybe that’s what it will take. I can’t believe I’m saying this. I’m too old for this shit. Nowhere is safe.
Who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s murder? Trump and Putin. Trump needed a martyr and Charlie got too full of himself with the Epstein messaging; daring even once to be critical of Trump was disloyal. CK was a perfect sacrifice. Big name with a big future Trump would rather his sons get to enjoy. The Hero of Hitler Youth martyr will lock in the Christian Nationalist followers for decades. CK died before he was disgraced, e.g. caught shtuping a teenager. Blah blah. Putin benefits because he needs Trump to wage war against his own country and ignore the fact that Putin is flying drones over Poland. Putin is enlarging his war to include NATO, an organization CK’s death (national emergency) makes it easier for Trump to exit, giving Trump a reason to be inwardly, focused, and dismissive of international concerns. Ultimately, when Trump emerges from this faux national crisis and USA exit of NATO gave Putin his edge, Trump will start talking about Greenland again so he can build his empire just like Putin is trying to carve up the world. The worst thing we can do is be distracted and limit our imaginations to normal, law abiding thinking. Think WWASD (what would a sociopath do?) Putin is weak, but the Battle of the Bulge happened when Hitler was really weak.
There's plenty of shooters out there that could pull it off easily for whatever reasons they deem suitable without them being part of any conspiracy to distract from Epstein. Come back to Earth until the facts are in.
You're saying the sane, rational thing, Irascible. Normally, I'd be the first one to back you. And part of me does agree with you 100%. But we haven't been in a sane, rational world since January 20th. We've seen over and over that what we never thought was possible, is, in fact, possible. Your advice to NOT jump to conclusions is very well taken, but Bizarro President has taught us to automatically suspect the worst, because it's so often true now.
Irascible, I absolutely agreed with you in pre-Jan 6 world. Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell failed to see Jan 6 for what it was: fearless reach for dominion followed by zero contrition. Fool me once…We have a lawless SCOTUS and three female justices write dissents that read more like obituaries of our democracy. CK’s blood was meant to hurt us.
It still doesn't justify jumping on the “CK Shooting was an Inside Job” bandwagon. Speculation is not critical thinking, no matter the political situation.
Thanks for the admonition. Guilty as charged. The world scares me and fear isn’t a good foundation for critical thinking. That said, I stand behind keeping an open mind, imagine what nefarious people are capable of doing and not dismissing possible angles to investigate out of hand.
Imagining possibilities is fine. Glomming onto them in lieu of facts is not, “investigating” by toilet-google-is not, and stating them to the world as truth is destructive.
Irascible might be "right", yet the communication skills are lacking. By CT I assume you mean conspiracy theories... and in an open, conversational forum like this, I welcome all of them. Except of course, the Jewish Space Lasers. As a member of the tribe, I can assure everyone...we dont have those. 🤣
Charlie Kirk is on record saying that some people need to die to protect our second amendment freedoms. He just thought it would be a lot of schoolkids, not him. Oops.
Irony is alive and well. He was giving a speech on the 2nd Amendment in support of guns vs. public safety called "Prove Me Wrong." Well, he got proven.
He also said this about the man who attacked Paul Pelosi in his home with a hammer:
“And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”
It's just really hard to believe how effed up our Country has become. It's really a total shit show. And it all lays at the feet of the ass clown that calls himself Pres. Of course there has always been disagreements, but this shit is at nuclear level. The only hope to slow this down is to upset the balance of power at the mid terms, then totally get them all out at the next Presidential election. To think that this administration is for all the people is an absolute joke. He doesn't even pretend to be for all people. It's just disgusting. But karma can be a real bitch and it will come for all those involved with trying to take down our country. Including all the Republicans who sit up there and try to whitewash everything Trump does and who allowed him to put totally incompetent people in charge of major departments. Absolute shit show and embarrassment on the world stage. I don't know if we can ever come back from this!!
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. This has been a thorn in his side. Nothing else has come close to rattling the MAGA base and trump would do anything to make it disappear.
Well, the good news is that she is not going to be reelected. Maine has a really solid candidate, and he will win by a landslide. Assuming that we get to vote.
Schumer is a proceduralist living in a bygone era. At least he finally did something besides pen strongly worded letters that were flushed down the gold toilets.
To what effect, though? They absolutely do. not. care. that they've been proven to be hypocrites a thousand times over. The media won't call them on it, and neither will the MAGAs.
Charlie Kirk did that too! This is a direct quote about the man who attacked Pelosi:
“And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”
I'm not a tinfoil hat kinda guy but something about this assassination seems a little false-flaggy. Guy was shot from two hundred yards away. That's two football fields. Something ain't kosher. And while we're on the subject of all-things-kosher, let's bear in mind that the late Charlie Kirk was hardly good for the Jews (or anyone else for that matter). Fatso crowned him, "The voice of America's youth." Sure, if you're a trans-and homo-phobic nutcase. Another round of the Horst Wessell song, maestro. Or horse's ass, if you prefer.
I’ve never been into conspiracy theories as a rule either, but Trump’s ear and Kirk’s obviously trained sniper is forcing me to reckon with what I used to think was an area populated by weirdos and paranoids
He probably had a capsule of fake blood in his hand. That whole "fight, fight, fight!" fist thing looked rehearsed to me. When it comes to MAGA's, the way they point fingers and claim QAnon conspiracies seems like their usual MO = blame others for what you are doing.
'cept for the MAGAt firefighter that got killed, oh and the fidiot shooter. Whatever evil you think these mofos are capable of, multiply it by a million and that'll get you closer to the truth.
I think the Butler thing was staged too — the picture of him putting his fist in the air is a giveaway and the fact he wasn't actually shot. Whatever hit his ear definitely wasn't a bullet but someone else was killed. I doubt he even remembers that guy's name.
If it had been a real assassination attempt on him, he would have ducked and been out of there so fast. He is a coward to his core. No way he would have stood up, much less put his fist in the air for a picture that someone just happened to capture.
Kristy, That depends from my view point somebody set out to do a job and has gotten away with it, so far. How about odds it’s a disgruntled trumper because it’s the current trend. Elmo did a lot of hater making.
I'm going with the conspiracy theory that it was a Russian sniper. This was designed to detract from Epstein and also to set off civil war. A win-win for Putin.
Kirk was shot in the neck, but it’s possible the single bullet bounced off a bulletproof vest or his chest before striking his neck. If you watch the show in slow motion (which I don’t want you to do), it appears his chest was hit first by the same bullet.
Jeff and fellow travelers… recall Horst Wessel, the Nazi that was killed prior to Hitler gaining power. The Nazis used this killing as a propaganda tool to thrust the Nazi party into a more favorable position to take over Germany. Today we have almost the same scenario with Donald acting as judge and jury without any factual evidence to back his claims.. This crew has no critical thinking skills as evidence from all the right wing talkers making ridiculous conclusions. Let’s not forget the children that were shot at school yesterday, let’s not forget the 9-11 attack on our country, let’s not forget our government is run by psychopaths and x Fox employees.
Fastball for the win, the list goes on but lefties didn’t do a thing about Hillary’s emails and the Biden schlong (svanzkaniska ala Young Frankenstein Yiddish) or in Nosferatu’s words “Trump took a bullet for amerika” and we really need to know more but that’s why the patsie in that novel was immediately murdered. Do you sense a pattern here the worlds worst pedophile hangs his own damn self, I wish we had a as in one surveillance tape.
Well done Wendy. TPUSA is behind a recall petition of my city council member in the district I live in. I went to a city council meeting in June and was treated to listening to a bunch of MAGA assclowns, mostly old white men kvetching about how my council member's crime was advocating for homeless, battered women and supported Kamala Harris and Ruben Gallego. I'm canvassing this Saturday for my council member to keep her job.
If you go out and advocate or protest, drop me a note.....we have protest and support organization efforts going on , here at WtD, so if you needed local engagement and help, just let us know.
Rather tired of old privileged White men who have not suffered one bit and now whine because they don’t want to share their over privileged existence! Just SHUT UP all your lives you’ve had things your way and now you bitch because you might have to share with women! How disgusting and selfish you are! Just because by some fluke you were born male that makes you more entitled and you think it gives you the right to reign over women? Well it doesn’t so grow up!we are sick of your selfishness! We are not your slaves we have our own dreams and desires and it doesn’t include waiting on you and being treated as lesser humans!
We build what we can around those we can protect. Ive been doing it for months. Like Jeff, I run my pub as a support network and a family. And I give a shit.
Come to Canada. I know that sounds like a trite solution and a petty response. I'm sorry. But damn, you could at least breathe easy here and relax. There are lots of folks here who are ready and able to help refugees from the U.S.
We live in a pocket of the BC interior that has a history of taking in folks who need protection: hundreds of draft dodgers during the Vietnam war, Quakers who were driven out of the U.S. due to their pacifist beliefs, the Doukabors who were driven out of Russia for pacifist beliefs. We also established meaningful relationships with the Japanese who were interred in our region, and many of them stayed here when they were free to go. We have had to offer our home on too many occasions to folks who are discriminated against and in danger, who seek safety from tyranny. And we continue to offer sanctuary to anyone who needs it.
I used to live in an area in Ontario where there were a lot of Viet Nam draft-dodgers - there's a lot of bigoted and anti-immigrant propaganda happening in Canada now (and anti-trans etc.), inevitable I suppose, especially as neighbours to the US - hope we can maintain our humanity
Could I just claim to be trans? Who's to know? Canada, here I come. My Exband and I emigrated (legally) to Canada during the Vietnam war. Now, I'm really sorry that I came home .
Yeah, this is terrible. And it’s a paradox. I’ve no tears for him, and I’m willing to cast him as a martyr to the second amendment—he would have wanted it this way, he gave the last full measure of devotion to the principle that random shootings are the American way.
At the same time, it’s not making the world any better and it’s all really fishy. And MAGA is making hay off it. President Wonderful may have been cossy-playing Col Kilgore napalming Chicago on Sunday, but today he’s got concerning concerns about rhetoric…
I think most people have no idea who this hate goblin was, and all it’s going to do is give Trump a few days pressure-relief from Epstein.
I am not thinking about CHARLIE KIRK today. He isn't worth my energy. I amthinking about 9/11/2001.I am daily thinking about the murdered School children in AMERICA and all those dead Americans who are shot by GUN NUTS..
CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED . That is it. And..TRUMPS BESTIES IN THE UAE issued Passports to the HIJACKERS & chopped up KASHOGGIE..That is it. We are clear here.
So yeah. The horseshoe is beginning to bend back on me and I'm slipping into some Q territory. I didn't have enough definitive information on the Trump assassination attempt, all I've seen is snark and a dead weirdo shooter. So I did not venture into speculation.
But this. This is a whole nuther kettle o' fish.
- dressed in black
- vanished completely
- spot chosen surrounded by buildings, high level of wind control
The guy sounds like he knew what he was doing. A trained sniper? I don’t know, but he was able to pierce the carotid artery and jugular vein in one shot. You can’t put a tourniquet on a neck.
Maybe, but is that the most important thing about this? I don't know what I don't know. We've got walking and quacking ducks, but there's always more to everything, always.
It really gets disappointing when you look at the hypocrisy from the right and the fact that if their boys do it, it’s always mental illness —but they sure like blaming progressives for shit they had no part in.
And just in time yesterday, FL's ban on open carry was declared unconstitutional. This was always my biggest fear in the time I've lived here and am so grateful my escape plan is already in place.
ugh. this was a post I didn't want to have to write.
hey, remember when the news on 9/11 used to be about 9/11?
I did not want to write mine either , Uncle Jeff.
Im waiting for the shooter to be identified as a Trans person, so that the Administration can then officially hunt me down and "camp" me because they have deemed me a threat to society.
So tired.
I can multitask. I despise the manner of Kirk's death. I continue to despise his bigotry.
As a Druid, I despise killing or taking of ANY life, and that I am lead to believe inherently that all life has value and purpose. Yes, its hard to quantify this for me as a Trans person (one of his USUAL targets), and I struggle with it. But Killing is wrong.
Any person with a conscience should denounce violence for any reason. Violence has never solved a single problem, it only magnifies them.
Your values are good ones, Wendy. Hold onto your belief that all life has value, because it does. It's hard. I'm sure, but you have purpose and I appreciate you.
I’m with you on this one and despise what my thoughts have become since tRUMP rode down that fucking escalator. I just never knew he was such an evil malignant narcissistic psychopath who could stoop to the lowest of lows without hesitation or conscience, getting pleasure out of inciting hatred, violence and retribution. Everything he touches turns to shit or literally dies and then tRUMP turns ppl (in this case Kirk)into a martyr
Unfortunately, I always knew what he was but felt so helpless when others looked at him as simply a type of Hugh Hefner wanna-be. He WAS that too, but far more malignant and vicious. It comes off him in waves - if you're a woman with that kind of radar. brr.
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Exactly where I’m at. I hate it here.
Alethia, you are not alone.
If you need space, I have some extra
I’ll stand in front of you and every other Trans person - we will not go silently into the dark.
You words are felt with kindness and regard. For which I am thankful.
A fuck ton.
I'll be there with you Chris and i have a gang of Veterans to come with. We fought for all of our freedoms. Dems have been absolute cowards about Trans rights and so we will be every where we can! There are way more blue/lib vets than you know, a lot of us joined for school benefits and oh hey look, it's September 11th 2001. Then as long as we lived we went to school 👍🤣 (dark humor)
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I’ll be right next to you!
Stay safe everyone!
Check your DMs. Tess.
Wendy - Don’t look now but the hoaxiest of hoaxes “trans antifa engraved ammunition” just graced the pages of the periodical formerly known as a financial publication WSJ. We’re now living in a cartoon illustrated in St. Petersburg (not Florida).
Don't forget it's a Murdoch rag. He is largely responsible for the current clusterfuck in America
Wait!! What?? WTF? Was it also signed with the shooter’s name and social security number, all his (or her) passwords?
The smell of RE fish is overpowering.
Yeah, I just read that. I am NOT about to update my post today with that nonsense.
Time for the Grift to happen.
Ironically, that article may officially mark the completion of the WSJ TRANSition to from financial markets daily gossip rag. How woke of them.
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They are already claiming that "trans ideology" was engraved on the bullet casing....wtf is that, and how many words can you engrave on a bullet casing to constitute "ideology" and how many votes that nothing like this ever happened but Trump told Ka$h to say it because otherwise heʻll lose his job?
OK, I'll bite.
What exactly is 'trans ideology'? I've been wracking what's left of my brain and I can't come up with a single example of what that would be? And how many words would this 'ideology' be? And how would these words fit on a single bullet?
Methinks these freaks are using Luigi as an example. If he did it, then the next supposedly 'left-wing, antifa' shooter must have done the same.
PS. WSJ walked back the whole thing. The bullets weren't engraved with any words.
Here’s my vote!
Wendy . . . you can come live with me. No one will ever find us. I live on the dark side of the moon. Bring your loved ones.
LOVE this! I'd offer too but my house just isn't too habitable right now, but IF I had help to clear out a LOT of 'stuff' and clutter from upstairs (the 'new' room we added on), it's huge, has windows with views everywhere AND shades, AND a pullout couch AND a nearly completed bathroom, AND a balcony leading to my heavily wooded backyard which leads to.........? only the shadow knows. Unity!
Okay, you win. My house is not particularly hospitable right now. It is far from "huge" but it is out of the way. It's a work in progress, which isn't saying much. It's hard to get good help. And doesn't this sound like Nazi Germany?
Exactly - AND France, Poland and so many other Countries fighting for survival back then. Just like us now. :( MY main problem is that room IS stacked with tiles (for the unfinished bathroom) AND all of the already-bought fixtures still in their boxes. It also houses my husband's 'office' which began life put together from Pottery Barn cabinets, etc. which he used for his 'work at home' for a few years but has since allowed to deteriorate. I don't get up there too much (the stairs are tough on my very painful back) and he's still somehow under the impression that only women 'clean and dust'. He also buys umpteen cacti and they're scattered everywhere as well. It was quite beautiful - for a couple of years. Sigh. My keyboard and some of my other instruments are up there too - I'd go off into my other world playing and even singing for hours but haven't been able to more recently. I miss it. Need to seriously get back to what makes me happy - and get it DONE. :)
He just has been so "identified"--there's a report that the rifle was engraved with pro trans and antifa sentiments. How terribly convenient for the Right. I do trust they will check to be sure that this particular rifle fired the bullet--and how fresh the engravings are.
I've been catching up with older CSI-Miami and CSI-NY shows on a 'new'? channel called 'Charge' (for some reason) on my Dish. Would that the experts on those shows were real and could work their magic for the sanity (and safety) of us all. I don't trust the partisan hacks frump has put in charge of these agencies, one iota.
They are now claiming the bullet casing is "engraved with transgender and antifascist ideology."
Oh,please.
You know what really pisses me off? I just purchased some bumper stickers that say: "I didn't sign up for Fascism". They're fairly large and will need to go on the sides of my car. Now I'm not sure I want to put them on. But, dammit, Charlie Kirk didn't hesitate to spew HATEFUL shit every day. Yes, I'm willing to take a bullet for my exercise of freedom of speech, but it shouldn't have to be this way.
I'm in your boat too, Jan. My husband isn't AS political or as 'willing to take a bullet for his beliefs' as I am, so refuses to put ANYTHING on our vehicle, since he does most of the driving nowadays (my vision issues are a factor). I had planned to wear the long-sleeved t-shirt I got last year showing what resembles a Tide logo claiming it 'gets out orange stains', which I know will set off any magat I may run into. I might wait a month. AP reports that the magat-world has gone ballistic, wanting ANY person mentioning Kirk in any non-favourable ways (beginning with Mathew Dowd) fired and even JAILED while ass-uming and accusing ALL Democrats of this murder when there's as yet no proof of who and why. My instincts are still screaming that this was too perfectly timed to divert attention away from the Epstein files and those brave survivors speaking out.
Mine, too, Elizabeth. The timing is perfect. My mind immediately went there. Also, now they have a martyr.
I'd hazard a guess that the current moron 'in charge of' the Feebs read the normal numbers/letters on the bottom of a standard shell casing and immediately LEAPED to that conclusion because he IS a moron and of course desperately needs to justify his position to orange baby man. I don't believe ANYTHING from him/them, and that's just how awful it is - they've destroyed ALL trust in what once was a fairly respected entity.
If that were the case, why would he assassinate Kirk? Someone who spoke his nasty language?
Also, I would think if anything, it was someone whose loved one or good friend was killed in a school shooting since kirk thought it was perfectly fine for people to be killed in order to protect our second amendment rights. I myself call it Karma.
It easily 'could' be that simple OR someone who took major offense to his awful homophobic insinuations when Paul Pelosi was bashed in the head with a HAMMER by an intruder who invaded his home to kill/kidnap his wife Nancy Pelosi (our speaker of the House)! For pity's sake the man was past 80, dozing on his couch in his underwear, yet Kirk made horrid allusions to it being a 'homosexual tryst gone wrong', triggering THAT continued awful lie in the magat-sphere. They've been sniggering about it ever since. How could he?! 'Some' would then suggest that his own awful rhetoric came around BUT those who even suggested the remote possibility of this are being HORRIBLY targeted by the now unleashed worst of the worst right now. I amn't sure it'll blow over which again, convinces me this was planned.
You don't have to agree, Kim. Most won't. But my take on it is that it simply doesn't matter to them WHO speaks the same nasty language...they have 'priorities' and when a sacrificial lamb is necessary, they'd choose one who might make the biggest impact, caring nothing at all for that person or their family. At the same time, they get to use his murder to their advantage. That would not be a new 'device', Think of Oswald and Jack Ruby. There 'could' also be an element of resentment since certain people were beginning to talk about him as a potential extreme right-wing presidential candidate down the road. They have their own already picked out: a 'dynasty' if you will. Remember - this is pure speculation based on how deeply they hate democrats AND require more and more distractions from something which has threatened to become too big and out of their control. That is all we're speculating about, AND because of their absolute uncaring and even laughter about (how quickly they forget) - of the recent murders of Democratic lawmakers IN their own homes. Their horrid comments then were beyond normalcy yet right now they're literally firing and even calling to ARREST anyone who dares tell the truth about Kirk's own rhetoric possibly playing a part in this. It's just all so horrid. Read the link Denise posted from Kao. These knuckleheads want us wiped off the face of the earth and are declaring 'war' over this murder.
Anything to distract from the Epstein Files.
YES! I really believe this was yet another “planned” event.
You live by the sword, you die by the sword. He made millions off spewing hate. In a year, he won't be remembered. Just another white supremacist in the dust. My give-a-shit bucket is empty.
We are still mourning the school shooting here in Minnesota. They were friends of my family. We are heart broken. And we all know this comes from the top of the food chain.
My girlfriend’s granddaughter was the youngest shot and killed in the Parkland High School shootings. I completely understand where your heart is.
That's horrible. My heart goes out to your friend. That kind of pain never heals. As JoJo says, we shouldn't have to memorize our children's clothing incase we have to identify them later. This self inflicted war is on the citizens of this country by brainless politicians who hold us hostage by their craven desires for fame and greed.
Everyone needs to read her piece today.
100% Lisa. 100%.
Leon is also making millions on retweets of his divisive smears and accusations… but we’re too tired to regulate anything nowadays so oh well (shit half of our lawmakers don’t even know what a ‘diaper bag’ - is amirite)
From Ryan Shead on Twitter:
After seeing Trump’s response and how quickly they had it prepared, I’m pretty convinced MAGA just sacrificed Charlie Kirk in an effort to save Trump from the Epstein Files and wars he can’t stop.
Our Reichstag Fire moment. An excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law.
Was Charlie still calling for the Files to be released?… or had he flip-flopped
Believe I have read he was still calling for it, yes. And nutjob Loomer had just put out a nasty post (which she has since deleted) disparaging Kirk. Harshly.
Wow
Interesting.
Yes.
Have seen other post noting its psyops look and feel
I'm already reading that Mossad did it because Kirk had begun to criticize Israel, or the CIA did it because Kirk had been pressing to out the Epstein files. Supposedly, the shot that killed Kirk was so difficult, it would have required an expert sniper, so....
For my part, I wouldn't put it past Rump.
I've completed (it's a 1000+page book) reading 'Billy Summers', Stephen King's 2021 tome about one particular excellent sniper (and his 'gun for hire' life post-service). He's the protagonist and, contrary to King's usual horror stories. this one's a real, solid story/novel and a most excellent escapist read. The snipers who've mostly been trained IN our Armed Forces specify what 'difficult shots' are (and Stephen acknowledges those experts for all of the info he uses). I was genuinely surprised by what THEY consider 'difficult' - up to 1,600 feet! They talk about the differences between single-shooter and IN-service where they'd normally have a 2-man team with a spotter alongside. When I heard about this shooting, my first reaction was, of course - 'fuck, we didn't need THIS stupidity now', then when I realized a 'throat shot' (as described by my husband) - it would not be survivable without extreme paralysis or death knew it was a far worse situation. BUT the chyron scrolled across our screen kept repeating: 'Trump: Charlie Kirk is dead' (even when today's news said he died HOURS later?) WHY was HE making that call, pray tell? Shouldn't it have been Medical staff/his family? Third thought: 'could easily be a regular hunter-type with a spotting scope', surprising myself by how much I'd gotten from Stephen's book. My next reaction was: 'they' needed a sacrificial lamb as a HUGE distraction from the Epstein files, so who better than one who was already questioning AND one so many students would become incensed about and immediately want to blame Democrats for? So sue me for believing that those who didn't give one. single. fuck. about Democratic lawmakers being MURDERED in their own homes, canNOT NOW get to play their vicious 'blame democratic rhetoric' games, especially when THEY'RE the ones who ALWAYS go to '2nd Amendment solutions', the evil bastards. YET, MSNBC has fired Mathew Dowd for trying carefully to explain that Kirk's own rhetoric just might have played into this? We're being forced to live in a fucking upside-down world of magats-making and I'm SO tired of it. Now they've co-opted 9-11, a day I usually spent in quiet reflection with my animals, weeping still. smdh
Interesting and apropos facts from King's book, Elizabeth. They add context.
I hadn’t heard about Rump's "premature" announcement of Kirk's death until today, but it's....curious.
IMO, this event is going to be yet another case in which we'll never know the truth. And either the investigation will fail to nab the shooter, or the suspected shooter will be killed during the chase/arrest.
At most, any person who survives arrest will claim to be a patsy.
TY, Denise. I heard they 'have someone in custody' but shut off the news. Couldn't take anymore at that point. I have no idea who it is or what's going on outside of this forum and have my music playing right now. I DID hear one thing last night before hubby shut down his teevee: that Kate Miller (nosferatuMcgoebbel's wife) actually put out a post literally blaming democratic rhetoric for calling them 'fascists' and whatever else, for Kirk's murder. THAT was my last straw: she's married to THE worst and most evil (imho) excuse for a human in our country AND the architect of the most vile crimes against our residents who partially penned project 25 and SHE has the temerity to post her blind spew against 'democratic rhetoric'? She must be as much of a lunatic as the POS she married is all I can figure. I'm SO done today. Reading Jeff's post helped me tremendously. Thank you again for your insight.
I agree 100%. It’s not the first time people died because the felon was trying to distract from something else.
It’s truly frightening.
It was a professional hit. I think that the motivation may prove to be personal rather than political. All the bullshit speculation is making me sick!
Yes - anybody remember those pesky Epstein files full of a near martyr’s name?
My thoughts too.
Poignant Susan!!
This was a blessing to rump.
Yes, I saw it plausibly suggested too, that Kirk may have been silenced for continuing to demand them. That sounds like the kind of "weave" we keep being subjected to, doing harm then keep hammering someone else is responsible.
Every perpetrator of violence in the last 4 years has been a Trump supporter. We will not have violence. The FBI reports significant footage of the shooter, both ingress and egress. They are reviewing that now to help identify the shooter. For the last 4 years, every perpetrator has been a Trump supporter, while Trump and the right have first jumped to blaming the left without any evidence. These are unbelievable facts. More than likely the idiom will hold true this time. We will not know for some time yet. https://open.substack.com/pub/zeteo/p/charlie-kirk-killing-political-violence?r=3m1bs&utm_medium=ios
This has the smell of a false flag job. It’s hard to declare Martial law against the peaceful.
So sacrifice one of your own to get the base hopped up and out for lib blood 🩸. Then , after sufficient violence you can justify a Martial law edict , wrongheaded as it might be
I sadly thought the same thing. And also sadly this shooter if they locate him (the right one) will probably be killed before anyone knows the truth (like the shooter who grazed trump's ear? But some innocent was killed.)
We will probably never know his true motivation. 😭
Have a strong feeling the shooter my be dead, suicide?? Not a conspiracy theorist but …. Have we ever heard anything about the kid who shot Trump or the doctors that fixed him. It would have been endless for anyone else?? Just can’t trust this corrupt admin.
a la Jack Ruby
Trump's "assassination" was obviously faked but involved a Republican shooter. The kid who shot Reagan was in no way political. George Lincoln Rockwell was shot by a fellow Nazi. Still, the MAGAs are running out of the woodwork screaming the "radical left" did this while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day. Hard to believe how stupid my country has become.
*** "while ignoring yet another school shooting on the same day"***
The weird thing was Trump out there saying Kirk was dead before the media was saying it. And he had a comment all typed out to read that wasn't his usual blithering.
I just mentioned this - before seeing yours. Thank you!
Same thought here Ole. Kirk had been told by Trump to stop his constant speech about Epstein, and getting the files released. The gunman was obviously experienced, choosing lower caliber ammunition from a perched spot, then disappearing into the mayhem. Did Trump appear surprised by the assassination, as he was with the Israeli bombing in Qatar, after dining at Joes,
…knowing full well he was obviously briefed priorly by Israel.
'experienced' to a point, Patrick. I've already written about Stephen King's 'expert sniper' info in his book Billy Summers (a great read). Last night I caught a rerun of an MSNBC segment where a guest reiterated that it was not a difficult shot at all for an average hunter-type; the weapon a bolt-action rifle left behind AND that he (the expert) believed the killer's aim was 7-8" lower than his actual target. That tracks with everything I'd already surmised about 'expert snipers'. He clearly wanted to murder Kirk with a head shot and missed that BUT it was still an awful and unsurvivable injury. What 'I' can't comprehend are the multitude of people in attendance (NOT the Media) who posted fucking LOOPS of his gruesome murder over and over for ALL to watch - and they did! Why, if not to inflame the masses? Did they not spare a second's thought for his children/family? Ugh.
Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest, so a head shot would make sense… whatever the case he did what he wanted.
Was he a psyop, or hate Kirk and Turning Point…I guess we’ll have to wait until Trump decides what level of prevarication he tosses at us!
And I remember that Charlie Kirk supported the release of all the Epstein files. That adds to the perhaps 'conspiracy theory' that he was sacrificed.
This, Judy! Trump told Kirk to stop talking about Epstein, he didn’t!
One thing makes me think that this could be a set up is how they took Charlie away from the scene. I watched the video numerous times to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing. Police officers are security officers carrying him to an SUV. I realise Charlie was only 31 but he is a divisive figure and I am sure has had death threats. In addition there were a lot of people there of different ages. Why did they not have medical help? Why was he wounded and there was no ambulance no paramedic at all? That just seems off.
Oh FFS. He wasn't the POTUS, why would all that be standing by just for him, just in case? And if it HAD been, I guarantee THAT would be being questioned as well as seeming "off". 🙄
I don’t know where you live, but in NJ, any event with more than 100 or so people has an ambulance nearby in case of a medical emergency.
Right. People have heart attacks and such. It's not always an assassination, well often but not always.
Really? We pull 1000 people at my synagogue for the high Holy days. No ambulance. You're making a blanket “rule” for shit. Maybe ask the college themselves what rules THEY have instead of speculating.
EVERY event where 3,000 - or even fewer people are in attendance (especially STUDENTS) FFS, has at LEAST one ambulance and security people 'standing by' everywhere I'VE been or seen 'in case of emergencies'. Ball games, graduations, concerts, any event where parents or kids are 'visiting' or could fall ill or be harmed. It's nothing remotely to do with being POTUS, and Kirk had the kind of money where he could easily afford his own security personnel but didn't seem to think he was at risk in this particular situation.
According to the news conference, his security team was mixed in with the crowd.
So what? Anecdotal evidence at its best. If there WERE an ambulance right there standing by, others would call THAT suspicous. With conspiracies, proof against the conspiracy is also proof OF it. 🙄
I was also thinking that an event with a fair number of people might require medical intervention and an ambulance. But, my bad, I didn’t realize we only have a fuck if it was the president. I guess I didn’t “understand the assignment” asshole!
What's the policy of the college with regards to having an ambulance and paramedics on site “just in case"? Have you checked?
BTW, I guarantee you everyone there did the best they could. I also guarantee you Kirk was dead before he was put in the SUV. That kind of injury is NOT survivable. He went unconcious within 2 seconds from massive blood loss to the brain. He bled out by the time he hit the ground.
And Charlie was on Loomerʻs shit list because he wanted the Epstein files released. Just sayinʻ.
Loomer's shit list is just one letter away from Loomer's hit list. And isn't she the "trump whisperer"?
That is one strange looking woman
Not for me to judge, but apparently she's caught trump's eye!
Yes, but we’re not the conspiracy theorist ones.
Well, we're trying not to be, but having spent some time batting down the BlueAnons JAQing off about Butler PA, I can assure you there's far more of them than one can imagine.
AGREE.
True
I wouldn't doubt it. Especially since the last several elections were won by Democrats who flipped several seats and won 2 special elections in FL and 1 in N. Va. They can read the writing on the wall. They need hurry and install martial law.
Oh please. None of that is needed to declare martial law. Just stop already.
https://substack.com/profile/16368049-daughteramerican-revolution/note/c-154789838?r=53um1&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
And one of the biggest perpetrators was CK himself. His snarky replies to a man asking genuine and sincere questions right before CK was shot was disgusting, dismissive and shallow. He made his own bed (in my opinion).
No one deserves to be assassinated for their speech Angie, Kirk was an odious wastrel indeed. But his son had to watch his father murdered, that’s tragic!
No, no, no, Patrick. k said it was okay for a few people to die every year for the 2nd Amendment. Get over it.
He did say that. If he truly believed it, it was a legitimate way for him to leave this world.
The guns have to go.
Huh, Angie, claimed “he made his bed” in her opinion. He might very well have, however, being assassinated for one’s speech is a tragedy. I’m unsure of what you’re referencing LTBW???
You know, that's a problem with republicans. They can never think of or understand consequences. That's not a tragedy. If he was dying for the second amendment, or in front of his son, he might have understood some of the consequences of what he was saying or doing. You can be sad all you want, but it's his fault, what he said and what he did. We had nothing to do with it.
so he was teaching his son how to belittle someone instead of having intelligent argument
Nice try Patrick. No one here gets your point. I do.
I abhor guns, the use of them to 'settle' arguments, disputes, wars. Utter stupidity drives those who pick up a device which fires a projectile INTO another human's fragile human body. Those who use them are cowards. Those who PROMOTE the use of these guns to 'settle a dispute' are likewise despicable cowards (in my book) primarily because innocent bystanders are almost always the ones to suffer. As far as Kirk's son 'watching' - I've heard that was promoted entirely falsely by another right-wing conspiracy theorist since his family was NOT in attendance at the University so did not witness his murder. Whatever the REAL truth is, THEY are going to maximize the cruelty beyond anything we've ever seen precisely to turn him into a martyr for their cause and to allow them to hurt as many of US as possible since they're calling for the entire 'annihilation' of democrats. Allow that to sink in.
Agreed, guns have little purpose in today’s society, aside from being used for sustenance. Having spent years working as an animator/photographer, many of them with defense contractors and government, I believe little of what’s been reported on MSM or the net, I’ve seen far too many things, false flags, psyops and psychopaths in my life! Nothing that comes out of the miasma of morons mouths makes sense… I question much more than I believe Elizabeth, wish more people did?
The second amendment really bit him in the ass.
75% of domestic terrorism is from the right. Less than 10% is from the left.
But you can't get ANYBODY on the right to believe that. Obviously, they don't WANT to believe it, so they won't. All they need is just one incident by somebody on the left and they think it counterbalances dozens of incidents from the right. Or, they just lie and insist that someone was a "leftist" even with tons of evidence that someone was on the right of the political spectrum. They don't care about truth or stopping this sort of thing. They care about demonizing people they disagree with.
The murderer may have no political opinions.
I doubt that we will ever know the perpetrator. Patel fired all of the experienced people from the FBI. He’s left with ‘yes men’ and right wing fanatics.
WE know that they've been frump supporters, but I think you might not be aware of what the maga-verse is doing RIGHT NOW when you say 'we will not have violence'. They are LITERALLY calling for 'wiping out the entire Democratic Party - including anyone who supports them'. QUOTES on their platforms right now, liked and repeated over and over. 'they don't need no stinking proof', they KNOW we're all 'guilty' since frump has spewed this out to them. Elon Musk is fomenting this as well. THEY believe that WE are the violent ones and they are all innocent babes in the woods. Up is down, back is front and we all should be extremely careful. They are EVEN calling for seeking us out on these very platforms, Carl - where some of us use our real names.
It's insane. It is catastrophic for the US. I did not wish him dead, but I will shed no tears for this awful man. But he is now a martry to the "MAGA Cause" and this will lead to nothing good. As to motive, it could be someone on the left who has been radicalized. It could also be someone from the radical right who wanted to create a martry and provoke certain reactions from the regime. There could be other motives, but one of these two is the most likely. Either way, the only extremist rhetoric I ever hear is NOT from the Democrats. I hate to say this, but I hope that it is a radical right person who decided to take things into their own hands. This might be the only glimmer of hope we have to avoid further statements like the one from Joe Mannarino that the Democratic Party should be declared a domestic terrorist organization. Because these MAGA idiots including President FuckFace will NEVER SHUT THE FUCK UP!
First thing I thought was, Donny’s behind this. The shooter was a trained professional. Our MAGA government knows where and how to find them.
BTW, how’s that search for the “real killer” going?
It’s really sad we’ve gotten to this point. Because now it feels like I’m an insane crazy conspiracy theorist like MTG. But I wouldn’t put it past him not a bit. I think Butler was staged and two people were sacrificed for that.
And he never mentions that shooter… who actually was trying to harm him… why so silent?
It’s all suspect. But I still can’t leave the feeling that I’m almost QAnon thinking anything other than “party line”
We should 'say his name' Thomas Cook. AND demand a real investigation into the whys and wherefores. Why are HIS parents so silent? At the time they were supposedly strong frump supporters, so why would he have been there firing a round which frump claimed 'tore through my skin' yet somehow only nicked the tip of his ear, did not cause a brain concussion EVERY expert said it would have had to AND that ear somehow magically grew back in 10 days? You are no 'conspiracy theorist'. That entire debacle was clearly staged according to ANYONE with a security or police background, or who knows anything at all about the kind of ammo used. At worst, frump was probably nicked by a splinter from the podium or plexiglas. Should I mention the rest of the stupidity of his 'security' not immediately throwing him to the floor while seeking a second or even third shooter instead of what actually transpired? smdh
We seem to have to spend an awful lot of time chasing & demanding things… tiring
I have the same feelings! It’s so easy to get trapped into that- but now he’s taking Air Force one to pick up his body and fly with it to Arizona. What is that about? Why did Kash Patel say that they had a suspect in custody? For 2 hours? Everyone stopped looking for them. Then OOPS! Never mind. Keep looking!!
I'm sure it's going as well as our gutted, stupided FBI can do so far. Unless you think there's an "unreal" killer on the loose?
“real killer” a la OJ Simpson.
Deny, diffuse, deflect…Mz!
It feels like you are because you're allowing yourself to be. Don't. CTs are corrosive to shared reality. How something "seems" doesn't mean that's how it is. Wait for facts.
Yes, wait for facts ~ or some of those ‘alternative facts’. I don’t think this mess will be clearly explained and understood by anybody.
yup: where's KellyAnne Conway with those when she's most needed (sarcasm full intended).
Why? 9/11 was a thousand timesore complicated and we know in great detail the full story behind that.
'We' do? I'm a New Yorker. WE were finding parts of bodies ON rooftops YEARS after, FFS. One of my neighbours (and a good soul despite later turning magat), a forcibly-retired fireman who was IN that pit and badly injured during the course of searching for his fellows, also sustaining lung damage so is now living on borrowed time. He told me facts which never came out publicly. NO ONE yet knows 'the full story'.
September 11, 2001….A tragic day in America, and we all came together to support each other. Us old folks will never forget the horror, I hope the younger folks learn about it and respect those who died and those who lived through it. Never forget.🇺🇸
As a 9/11 first responder I'm sickened by how the death of this racist rich boy, who advocated shootings for his 2nd amendment rights has gotten front stage on this sacred day.
Thank you for being here for us in NYC that day. 🙏 I hope your health is okay.All the good will of the world we had, all the people that came from everywhere to help us, I can't believe 24 years later this is where we are. 😥
Bush blew all that good will in less than a year, the drunken frat boy who was awol his last year of NG service. Stupid War against Iraq which we are still paying for and will be for another 50 years until all the thousands of horribly wounded Vets from that fiasco have died.
It was the wrong war in the wrong place. We should have invaded Saudi Arabia where 19 of the 22 hijackers were from. But Bush was too busy calling the FBI off of interviewing some of the Saudis on the plane in Boston where they were getting ready to leave the US. The only plane in the air that day in the United States. Some major funny business involved.
not to mention the one MILLION Iraqis who died as a result of our criminal invasion.
When you're right, Ole - you're right. The SAUDIS were behind 9/11 not Saddam Hussein.
Sara: I know some others beside my firefighter neighbour who sacrificed. THANK YOU for your courage and sacrifice that day. My husband couldn't get home (he normally travelled through Manhattan so had to somehow figure out alternative routes - but he was safe). I was later very grateful that he wasn't exposed to that awful 'dust' as it was referred to. Contaminated awfulness which has taken so many of our bravest. Like Robin, I so hope your health is still good. I'm one who will never, ever, EVER forget.
Thank you for your concern. Unfortunately, I developed Lymphoma and now the WTC health program might be cut. I'm happy your husband was able to avoid the toxic "dust" I remember it being all over me till I was grey all over. I was in healthcare then. My job was to irrigate the firemen's eyes. I'm not one of the heroes, but the hugs I got that day made me feel like one.
Sara, your diagnosis hit me right in the gut. I am SO, so sorry and hope you have good doctors and treatment right now? We're still fighting in Courts to prevent those cuts, despite bobby brainworm's ultra-stupidity in imagining he knows better than our medical experts. GAD, I can't stand it - and him! Please do NOT ever imagine that you weren't /AREN'T just as heroic as those firemen whose eyes you irrigated! YOU and so many others rushed in to help disregarding your own personal safety. That makes you heroic in MY book - and all the rest of us New Yorkers! That dust was SO toxic I know those exposed (and covered by it) were also later ruled to be eligible for full compensation, even those NOT first responders, but simply pedestrians trying to get away from the collapse. Have you been able to look into every possible source for help? Now my heart hurts even more for you. :'( HUGS
You’re opening line is right on the money. These twats are looking for any excuse whatsoever to Kent State us or worse.
Do the names Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby sound familiar here? I’m miles away from the Q shit but something smells as bad as Trump‘s diaper about this whole thing
I think everyone is overreacting.
I completely agree.
Have you seen or even heard about what 'they' (on the political right wing) are posting about? You need to before thinking we're overreacting. They are literally calling for every. democrat. to. be. annihilated! They want the democratic PARTY to be annihilated AND anyone who has so much as mentioned Kirk in any kind of even slightly truthful fashion (which they translate to 'derogatory') to be imprisoned or worse. SOME of those screaming this are very influential at the highest levels of the shit-show which is now the current 'administration'. I notice you don't use your real name here so are relatively safe.
I must dither, Uncle Jeff. Political Violence Solves Nothing. This truism is as true as it is an ism. It's so ism that it's not even wrong. What it *does* though, without fail, is move things to a new level, both really and performatively. It's not supposed to solve anything, it's supposed to disrupt a temporary stability point. Every shooter in the history of shooters has wanted to "spark the civil war" or some shit. And it hasn't come. You can say '...yet', sounding very wise on paper, but I would really like to understand why. Cretins with Gunz have been bellowing for 20 years that they were going to round up and kill all the Libs what did them dirty. People have died, as individuals and groups, but there's not been the glorious war they have claimed that we were starting (with the 'violence' we've wrought by opposing and mocking them). Why?
“Political Violence Solves Nothing.”
I see nothing in Jeff’s post or comments to indicate that he believes otherwise.
Right. That's what I said, he believes that, it was his subtitle. My point was that political violence has a completely different motivation and effect than to 'solve' something. It's a rhetorical straw man used by people who want to avoid the hard work of thinking. It's not the core issue.
Ditto, however there appears to be a large number of bots hanging around today…
I believe you are correct, sir.
I STILL think the assassination of CK was planned and funded through and by the "optics guys" within the tRump administration. Look how it drew attention away from Putin's blatant incursion into Poland! Look how it took attention away from all of the recently released information on the life and crimes of the orange man. Who wins? So who was it that really did the deed! "Follow the money."
Thanks for giving us some words, Jeff. This fucking sucks.
YES!
I’m just watching breaking news about the shooter being in touch and they said that there were over 3000 people there and only six campus police officers. And no medical tent or anything like that. I still think that if you are going to have any kind of rally like that with that many people, they’re very likely will be some sort of need for both security and medical attention. Not necessarily a shooting, but that’s a lot of peopleto figure that six campus police officers can deal with all of this on their own. I’m sure that they did a great job and the very best they could do. I just question the wisdom of that set up.
OK I have a question that is maybe only slightly related to this. The flags being at half staff for Kirk, is that not OK? Seen some comments and things that people feel it not appropriate because he doesn’t need certain criteria. I know there are some strict criteria that are supposed to be met. We are flying the flag at half staff. Just curious.
you know, we could ignore all the awful news, and instead argue about 'gantlet' vs 'gauntlet'
Is there an argument? It’s gauntlet!
GANTLET. FIGHT ME.
https://www.grammarly.com/commonly-confused-words/gantlet-vs-gauntlet
"The word gantlet is primarily used to describe a form of corporal punishment or to represent a challenging experience. It's typically less common in modern English but still appears in historical contexts or in the phrase 'running the gantlet.' The expression is used metaphorically to refer to a situation where someone has to face a series of trials or criticisms."
Oh, in the sense of ‘running the gantlet.” I thought you were talking about gloves.
Same here. But I always thought you ran a gauntlet, didnt even know gantlet and I’m a wordy guy. Glad to learn something I didn’t know. And will never use in the few years left.
I think Jeff's just "taking the piss" with us. I'm using British slang since he's getting all 'Olde English' on us here!
You are correct that gantlet is the word. Gauntlet is a term for fingerless gloves. And you can take it from a high school graduate 😁
I graduated from a muffler shop and I say gauntlet for the glove, gantlet for the running punishment and gatlopp when I'm in Stockholm
I love arguing about the historical origins of language and the evolution of meaning.
Even growing up in Scotland which took its educational system extremely seriously and considered better even than England's, the word THEY used was 'running the gauntlet' AS well as 'gauntlet' used as the type of 'glove' worn with armour, so that'd be my pick.
LOL
Yes, let’s delve into a topic outside of politics. 😂
There is no such thing. It’s all political these days.
Gauntlet! A French word.
Picky, picky, picky.
I've always used "gauntlet" but either word is acceptable.
Let's do a whole grammar writing and watch us all explode with our opinions! It would be fun.
I'd bet Jeff would love that, on the VERY first day this daily political insanity while trump is in charge ends. So,,,,,,,, a long time!
Well, well, well...I think I'm wrong. Maybe I should've been using 'gantlet' this whole time.
Anyway, the few liberals who really cackled over this killing are giving the Internet a chance to do what the Internet does best: scold.
Saw it, ignored it…
I didn’t even know that gantlet was a word. I used gauntlet instead. I always appreciate education, and a small distraction!
Thank you.
Liz Warren said it best..."Oh please. Why don't you start with the President."
She was exactly right. I love her.
I voted for her in the primary, after Harris, dropped out of the race.Voted for Biden, in the general, I would definitely have preferred a woman.
Me too — because the women were the most qualified(except for Tulsi, of course). I went from Gillibrand to Harris to Warren and I liked Klobuchar as well.
I did also. Would have loved to see her as President
Me too.
Yes and then let's get back to the Epstein files.
YES! Thank you, Elizabeth Warren!
I find it especially hypocritical to hear him talking about the people who go after our judges and law enforcement. The violent rhetoric and actual violence from the right don't justify violence from our side. However, the fact remains that if this shooter is someone from the left it will be the exception to the rule. Our side isn't perfect, but if you want to stop political violence, you have to start with the side responsible for the overwhelming majority of it.
Totally agree!
I suspect -and I hate this because I’m usually not into conspiracies: The shooter was a pro...two hundred yards away? Indicates planning. I wonder if they "try, but never find him or her, because this person was paid to do it as a distraction to the Epstein mess. Putin has done shit like this, only it's usually poison or getting tossed out the window. The felon was very fast to get out there with his message, too. Where was he after Minnesotas tragedy? And did he address the Colorado school shooting that happened at the same time at Kirk?
Political violence is obviously not the answer to anything… but I wont miss the racist prick.
Anyone else think civil war is right around the corner?
I hate it here.
Why did NO ONE point out how STRANGE it was for a sitting President to not ever acknowledge the assassination / ambush of those D elected officials +family IN THEIR HOMES? Not even a 30 second acknowledgement call to the D governor…? This is basic adulting at the very LEAST… I think Ds are dumb to let it slide, too. There are ways of bringing it up every single day in a non-confrontational manner until he does it. Now accusing the Left before anyone is even apprehended???… Fk this shit and the Americans who tolerate it.
It's not strange at all. It's very much in line with who he is. Only attacks on the right matter; the endless attacks perpetrated BY the right are no big deal.
Be nice if the msm continually pushed back and asked why is this ‘new’ normal. Just to stop it from becoming the new normal…
Yes, Donny is seizing the narrative....
Likely part of creating the narrative. I see this all of it as him using all our lives as part of his shitty, personal reality show. He actually believes everything will be edited & rewritten to make him a star. He will never be a star, he's a no-talent, 2-bit criminal, ugly & cheap. He's not even that convincing of a villain, as horrific as nepo-baby sociopaths can be. Whatever people found compelling in his performance, it just shows how far expectations have fallen. He can't narrate worth a damn. 😅
Well, that's definitely ONE way to put it........Love it.
Lol, yeah, I'm sure it's but ONE way, but my earnest idealism & sincere belief in integrity aside, nothing pisses me off more than wasting time on a shitty story. Life is too short. I had a choice not to watch this on TV, but to be held hostage as captive audience because this affects my life & people I care about...it is not acceptable, to be force fed this crap. The show can't fail soon enough for me!
And they have perfected the technique. After 10 years the Dems STILL let them do it.
49. But one of them, Caiaphas, who was high priest that year,* said to them, “You know nothing,
50. nor do you consider that it is better for you that one man should die instead of the people, so that the whole nation may not perish.”
John 50:11 on how to quell the demand for the Epstein files.
I bring it up to my MAGA neighbors all the time. And they accuse me of using whataboutism. They’re not very sejf-aware. 🙄
No MAGA is self aware
Let's not forget that Charlie Kirk said it would be "patriotic" to raise the bail money for the person who attacked Paul Pelosi with a hammer.
AND (as I was reminded) was THE one who specifically invented the enormous LIE about the brutal hammer attack on Paul Pelosi witnessed by police officers ffs as a 'homosexual assignation gone wrong', then snickered about it. He was truly vile in his utterances about a VERY ELDERLY MAN who nearly died from that horrific attack. One could say that karma came around yet I STILL don't condone his murder for his disgusting rhetoric. IN America we are allowed to speak our minds, no matter what. Our First Amendment guarantees us that RIGHT. It does not give us the right to USE our rhetoric to harm others or cause them to be harmed. It's a fine line these hate-mongers tread.
What a douche bag! Hate to say someone gets what they deserve but it's hard not to think it.
Because he’s not really a PRESIDENT-
he’s a phony con man who doesn’t care about diplomacy or proper ways of doing things. He is NOT MY PRESIDENT!!!
NOW- back to EPSTEINEPSTEINEPSTEIN
Funny how a guy who got his first real world job outside the family business (at age 71!) - is looked up to as someone who can just figure it out on the fly. ‘After golfing’. smh
The level of stupidity in this country has reached an
all-time high. Everytime he opens his mouth it’s a lie or a false statement.
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That was my thought, too, Susan. The timing is just too convenient. I wonder if the killer will ever be caught. I hate to think of myself as a conspiracist, but there are just too many questions right now.
What would be an inconvenient timing? What questions, other than who are they, where are they, and why'd they do it? Until we know, creating conspiracy theories are the WORST thing to do right now.
I hear you and totally understand.
Conveniently distracting (again) from the EPSTEIN FILES, as frump is taking full advantage of, declaring Democrats horrible people who 'did this' as if the last few days of his clear LIES about Epstein's 50th Birthday Book has now been dismissed because of this murder. THIS is how he operates with what I think of as the attention span of a flea. 'Oh good, we're moving on to this now. SO the other's all gone and I can forget about it'. THIS is how small children react and behave, NOT grown adults. He will be shocked, SHOCKED when the EPSTEIN FILES are kept in the News once Kirk is laid to rest and most likely tweet out some gibberish to that effect: 'how COULD you still be talking about EPSTEIN after CHARLIE was murdered! - but instead he'll call it assassinated. I'm expecting him to declare that CK deserves a state funeral.
It’s almost as though Donny had his response at the ready before the media had even confirmed that Kirk was dead.
YES! I totally agree… the felon was immediate with his response. Too immediate. It all stinks.
That ‘24 election was called in 4 hrs too… the Presidential end :/
Cos he Did. It Was an inside job.
I can See that from Ireland.
trump/magas All over this.
Shooting their own political allies!
Low level scum.
I would put nothing past the evil Donald!
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-ai-2673984640/
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Remember the FBI 'never found the Jan 5 lady walking around DNC HQ with a pipe......
👍 Oh... thats right!
It is odd isn't it.....Putin meeting, 3 day disappearance and this.. The last time he disappeared with a Russian aircraft parked next to his plane was before Butler.....
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I think there’s a non zero chance, but that most of the USA doesn’t give a toss about this stuff
History of ‘Wag the Dog’:
.The 1997 film Wag the Dog… added the additional meaning of "superfluous (military) action in order to distract from domestic scandal."
-Miriam Webster
(Update: How about a “superfluous domestic action to distract from (military / political) scandal?”)
Trump is just itching to declare war on the ‘radical leftwing lunatics’
Poor republicans and their heroes but children trapped defenseless in a school gets page eleven now slaughtered, never mouthed off of the evil ‘others’. I never heard anything by Kirk but clearly was a beloved shithead great white hope I can smell it from here.
Yes, Susan, I think of eventual civil war often. I could see what was coming in January and I know they want to goad us so they can shoot us. Maybe that’s what it will take. I can’t believe I’m saying this. I’m too old for this shit. Nowhere is safe.
Same as the “assassination attempt” in Butler, PA
Who benefited from Charlie Kirk’s murder? Trump and Putin. Trump needed a martyr and Charlie got too full of himself with the Epstein messaging; daring even once to be critical of Trump was disloyal. CK was a perfect sacrifice. Big name with a big future Trump would rather his sons get to enjoy. The Hero of Hitler Youth martyr will lock in the Christian Nationalist followers for decades. CK died before he was disgraced, e.g. caught shtuping a teenager. Blah blah. Putin benefits because he needs Trump to wage war against his own country and ignore the fact that Putin is flying drones over Poland. Putin is enlarging his war to include NATO, an organization CK’s death (national emergency) makes it easier for Trump to exit, giving Trump a reason to be inwardly, focused, and dismissive of international concerns. Ultimately, when Trump emerges from this faux national crisis and USA exit of NATO gave Putin his edge, Trump will start talking about Greenland again so he can build his empire just like Putin is trying to carve up the world. The worst thing we can do is be distracted and limit our imaginations to normal, law abiding thinking. Think WWASD (what would a sociopath do?) Putin is weak, but the Battle of the Bulge happened when Hitler was really weak.
That's really good, like screenwriting level good, for a movie plot. What's scary is it's also slightly plausible. But it would make a great movie!
There are many questions about this. False flag? Personal? We may never know the truth.
This regime is so stupid and incompetent, eventually I think we will know. Our society is beyond fucked up, Charlie. Its ridiculous.
As with Kennedy Rudy marches into the police station and kills Oswald, very , very fishy. We may never know.
Ruby’s real name was Jack Rubinstein. He was in Meyer Lansky’s crew in NY before he ended up in Dallas running a mob strip club.
There's plenty of shooters out there that could pull it off easily for whatever reasons they deem suitable without them being part of any conspiracy to distract from Epstein. Come back to Earth until the facts are in.
You're saying the sane, rational thing, Irascible. Normally, I'd be the first one to back you. And part of me does agree with you 100%. But we haven't been in a sane, rational world since January 20th. We've seen over and over that what we never thought was possible, is, in fact, possible. Your advice to NOT jump to conclusions is very well taken, but Bizarro President has taught us to automatically suspect the worst, because it's so often true now.
Irascible, I absolutely agreed with you in pre-Jan 6 world. Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell failed to see Jan 6 for what it was: fearless reach for dominion followed by zero contrition. Fool me once…We have a lawless SCOTUS and three female justices write dissents that read more like obituaries of our democracy. CK’s blood was meant to hurt us.
It still doesn't justify jumping on the “CK Shooting was an Inside Job” bandwagon. Speculation is not critical thinking, no matter the political situation.
Thanks for the admonition. Guilty as charged. The world scares me and fear isn’t a good foundation for critical thinking. That said, I stand behind keeping an open mind, imagine what nefarious people are capable of doing and not dismissing possible angles to investigate out of hand.
Imagining possibilities is fine. Glomming onto them in lieu of facts is not, “investigating” by toilet-google-is not, and stating them to the world as truth is destructive.
Paranoia will destroya.
"Come back to earth"?
So noted.
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Irascible is right. These CTs are stupid.
Irascible might be "right", yet the communication skills are lacking. By CT I assume you mean conspiracy theories... and in an open, conversational forum like this, I welcome all of them. Except of course, the Jewish Space Lasers. As a member of the tribe, I can assure everyone...we dont have those. 🤣
Unfortunately you're right 😞💙✌🏻
Charlie Kirk is on record saying that some people need to die to protect our second amendment freedoms. He just thought it would be a lot of schoolkids, not him. Oops.
Oopsie !
karma, or something, finally did its job
Irony is alive and well. He was giving a speech on the 2nd Amendment in support of guns vs. public safety called "Prove Me Wrong." Well, he got proven.
Damn right he got proven! Excellent post
Sharon.
He also said this about the man who attacked Paul Pelosi in his home with a hammer:
“And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”
It's just really hard to believe how effed up our Country has become. It's really a total shit show. And it all lays at the feet of the ass clown that calls himself Pres. Of course there has always been disagreements, but this shit is at nuclear level. The only hope to slow this down is to upset the balance of power at the mid terms, then totally get them all out at the next Presidential election. To think that this administration is for all the people is an absolute joke. He doesn't even pretend to be for all people. It's just disgusting. But karma can be a real bitch and it will come for all those involved with trying to take down our country. Including all the Republicans who sit up there and try to whitewash everything Trump does and who allowed him to put totally incompetent people in charge of major departments. Absolute shit show and embarrassment on the world stage. I don't know if we can ever come back from this!!
"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights...That is a prudent deal," he said during an appearance at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.
Looks like Charlie got his prudent deal.
As I said, live by the sword and die by the sword. Probably a false flag operation to distract from Epstein, Epstein, Epstein!
and also, a justification to send NG/military into all corners of the country.
I came here to say exactly that.
Wouldn't surprise me at all. This has been a thorn in his side. Nothing else has come close to rattling the MAGA base and trump would do anything to make it disappear.
EXACTLY, he reaped what republicans are sowing ... GET. THE. EPSTEIN. FILES.
Schumer forced a vote yesterday, where they (R) are now all on record… protecting pedophaelia 😳‼️
Including that concerned bitch Susie Collins
Well, the good news is that she is not going to be reelected. Maine has a really solid candidate, and he will win by a landslide. Assuming that we get to vote.
A vote means nothing to them.. Unless we can get the files, they win. Pinning down people on votes is so 90s. Schumer is always being outmaneuvered
Schumer is a proceduralist living in a bygone era. At least he finally did something besides pen strongly worded letters that were flushed down the gold toilets.
They RAN on releasing the Files. At least they can be called out in races for reneging on that?
To what effect, though? They absolutely do. not. care. that they've been proven to be hypocrites a thousand times over. The media won't call them on it, and neither will the MAGAs.
True. Rs Tripling down has been working just fine - as well as leveraging ppls tiny attention spans… trying to find a win somewhere :/
Now we can get into the real tragic news child rapists and dopey the whole Epstein baby raping world.
He also said the following back in 2022:
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
How Christian of him, or should I say, was Christian of him.
His wife must be a masochist.
What I meant is a former Ms. correction Miss Arizona, working on her “doctorate in biblical studies” at Liberty University.
I had to self censor the first part of my post.
Seriously?
Yes
Every person who supports the guy who joked about Pelosi getting his head clawed open with a hammer should take a seat and STFU.
EXACTLY.
Charlie Kirk did that too! This is a direct quote about the man who attacked Pelosi:
“And why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.”
I'm not a tinfoil hat kinda guy but something about this assassination seems a little false-flaggy. Guy was shot from two hundred yards away. That's two football fields. Something ain't kosher. And while we're on the subject of all-things-kosher, let's bear in mind that the late Charlie Kirk was hardly good for the Jews (or anyone else for that matter). Fatso crowned him, "The voice of America's youth." Sure, if you're a trans-and homo-phobic nutcase. Another round of the Horst Wessell song, maestro. Or horse's ass, if you prefer.
DJ! I said the same thing. I agree. It’s soooo off.
And, call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think the Butler, Pennsylvania thing was staged.
I’ve never been into conspiracy theories as a rule either, but Trump’s ear and Kirk’s obviously trained sniper is forcing me to reckon with what I used to think was an area populated by weirdos and paranoids
Welcome , my friend. You will be happy here with us.
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Right and calling that lunatic hiding in the bushes at cackles’ golf course a “ second assassination attempt” is beyond the stretch.
Yep. Never even saw Trump, didn’t even shoot back at the SS agent.
Nothing like an assassination attempt or murder to change the narrative, hmmm?
Thing’s ear healed very quickly with nary a scar.
He probably had a capsule of fake blood in his hand. That whole "fight, fight, fight!" fist thing looked rehearsed to me. When it comes to MAGA's, the way they point fingers and claim QAnon conspiracies seems like their usual MO = blame others for what you are doing.
I always assumed it was a ketchup packet from McDonald’s.
Good one!!
It was very fake. His agents would have dragged him down immediately and not let him get up. All fake.
'cept for the MAGAt firefighter that got killed, oh and the fidiot shooter. Whatever evil you think these mofos are capable of, multiply it by a million and that'll get you closer to the truth.
That is so true! I should have noticed that.
100%
Yeah, not to mention the regenerating ear. And you see they've wasted no time blaming the Left.
Me too. 2 people died as a result of tRump’s stunt
I think the Butler thing was staged too — the picture of him putting his fist in the air is a giveaway and the fact he wasn't actually shot. Whatever hit his ear definitely wasn't a bullet but someone else was killed. I doubt he even remembers that guy's name.
If it had been a real assassination attempt on him, he would have ducked and been out of there so fast. He is a coward to his core. No way he would have stood up, much less put his fist in the air for a picture that someone just happened to capture.
I totally agree…he’s a coward. I wonder how much they paid the Secret Service around him to pull that little stunt off?
A Butler style " assassination " stunt , gone wrong ?
Kristy, That depends from my view point somebody set out to do a job and has gotten away with it, so far. How about odds it’s a disgruntled trumper because it’s the current trend. Elmo did a lot of hater making.
I'm going with the conspiracy theory that it was a Russian sniper. This was designed to detract from Epstein and also to set off civil war. A win-win for Putin.
Absolutely.
Kirk was shot in the neck, but it’s possible the single bullet bounced off a bulletproof vest or his chest before striking his neck. If you watch the show in slow motion (which I don’t want you to do), it appears his chest was hit first by the same bullet.
-meidastouch
Karma will have her way.
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Jeff and fellow travelers… recall Horst Wessel, the Nazi that was killed prior to Hitler gaining power. The Nazis used this killing as a propaganda tool to thrust the Nazi party into a more favorable position to take over Germany. Today we have almost the same scenario with Donald acting as judge and jury without any factual evidence to back his claims.. This crew has no critical thinking skills as evidence from all the right wing talkers making ridiculous conclusions. Let’s not forget the children that were shot at school yesterday, let’s not forget the 9-11 attack on our country, let’s not forget our government is run by psychopaths and x Fox employees.
EXACTLY! You have nailed it, Fredo.
Fastball for the win, the list goes on but lefties didn’t do a thing about Hillary’s emails and the Biden schlong (svanzkaniska ala Young Frankenstein Yiddish) or in Nosferatu’s words “Trump took a bullet for amerika” and we really need to know more but that’s why the patsie in that novel was immediately murdered. Do you sense a pattern here the worlds worst pedophile hangs his own damn self, I wish we had a as in one surveillance tape.
The fact that Trump was the first to announce he was dead is super suspicious to me too. Why not the hospital or his family?
He's Dead, and I honestly, as a Trans woman, do not feel so good myself.
Why?
https://thistleandmoss.com/p/charlie-kirk-is-dead-and-right-now
That is reason enough.
Can we heal from this? Can we just move on? Can the fucker NOT be cannonized by Trump?
So tired.
Because honestly, they are coming after me next.
Well done Wendy. TPUSA is behind a recall petition of my city council member in the district I live in. I went to a city council meeting in June and was treated to listening to a bunch of MAGA assclowns, mostly old white men kvetching about how my council member's crime was advocating for homeless, battered women and supported Kamala Harris and Ruben Gallego. I'm canvassing this Saturday for my council member to keep her job.
If you go out and advocate or protest, drop me a note.....we have protest and support organization efforts going on , here at WtD, so if you needed local engagement and help, just let us know.
Rather tired of old privileged White men who have not suffered one bit and now whine because they don’t want to share their over privileged existence! Just SHUT UP all your lives you’ve had things your way and now you bitch because you might have to share with women! How disgusting and selfish you are! Just because by some fluke you were born male that makes you more entitled and you think it gives you the right to reign over women? Well it doesn’t so grow up!we are sick of your selfishness! We are not your slaves we have our own dreams and desires and it doesn’t include waiting on you and being treated as lesser humans!
I’m legit scared. I don’t know what to do or where to go.
We build what we can around those we can protect. Ive been doing it for months. Like Jeff, I run my pub as a support network and a family. And I give a shit.
Come to Canada. I know that sounds like a trite solution and a petty response. I'm sorry. But damn, you could at least breathe easy here and relax. There are lots of folks here who are ready and able to help refugees from the U.S.
my daughter here in Canada has taken in a trans person from the US
We live in a pocket of the BC interior that has a history of taking in folks who need protection: hundreds of draft dodgers during the Vietnam war, Quakers who were driven out of the U.S. due to their pacifist beliefs, the Doukabors who were driven out of Russia for pacifist beliefs. We also established meaningful relationships with the Japanese who were interred in our region, and many of them stayed here when they were free to go. We have had to offer our home on too many occasions to folks who are discriminated against and in danger, who seek safety from tyranny. And we continue to offer sanctuary to anyone who needs it.
I used to live in an area in Ontario where there were a lot of Viet Nam draft-dodgers - there's a lot of bigoted and anti-immigrant propaganda happening in Canada now (and anti-trans etc.), inevitable I suppose, especially as neighbours to the US - hope we can maintain our humanity
Could I just claim to be trans? Who's to know? Canada, here I come. My Exband and I emigrated (legally) to Canada during the Vietnam war. Now, I'm really sorry that I came home .
You could come to the Bay Area. Who would notice?
Or Palm Springs, Ca. It's all good.
But you'll need air conditioning...
Excellent piece Wendy 👏
He was full of hate he was no saint and doesn’t deserve to be canonized! What good things did he ever do?
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Yeah, this is terrible. And it’s a paradox. I’ve no tears for him, and I’m willing to cast him as a martyr to the second amendment—he would have wanted it this way, he gave the last full measure of devotion to the principle that random shootings are the American way.
At the same time, it’s not making the world any better and it’s all really fishy. And MAGA is making hay off it. President Wonderful may have been cossy-playing Col Kilgore napalming Chicago on Sunday, but today he’s got concerning concerns about rhetoric…
I think most people have no idea who this hate goblin was, and all it’s going to do is give Trump a few days pressure-relief from Epstein.
"it’s not making the world any better" Yes it is. The world does not have Charlie Kirk in it any more.
Charlie Kirk=FAFO!👿
Not a good idea to celebrate anyone’s death, from gunfire or anything else. Bad karma, dude.
I don't celebrate anyone's death, but I am grateful that I don't have to listen to his hateful and hate-filled rhetoric any more.
Different things entirely.
Bob didn't have anything to do with it.
didn’t say he did.
I am not thinking about CHARLIE KIRK today. He isn't worth my energy. I amthinking about 9/11/2001.I am daily thinking about the murdered School children in AMERICA and all those dead Americans who are shot by GUN NUTS..
CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED . That is it. And..TRUMPS BESTIES IN THE UAE issued Passports to the HIJACKERS & chopped up KASHOGGIE..That is it. We are clear here.
"CHARLIE KIRK SPEWED HATE. IT BOOMERANGED ."
Best summary we're ever going to see.
Yes!!
So yeah. The horseshoe is beginning to bend back on me and I'm slipping into some Q territory. I didn't have enough definitive information on the Trump assassination attempt, all I've seen is snark and a dead weirdo shooter. So I did not venture into speculation.
But this. This is a whole nuther kettle o' fish.
- dressed in black
- vanished completely
- spot chosen surrounded by buildings, high level of wind control
- a single shot, 200 yards, through the neck
I don't know what I don't know. I never do.
The guy sounds like he knew what he was doing. A trained sniper? I don’t know, but he was able to pierce the carotid artery and jugular vein in one shot. You can’t put a tourniquet on a neck.
George I’m right there with you…. this is SO off. It reeks of a planned event…an important distraction from Epstein.
A well trained sniper, probably military.
Maybe, but is that the most important thing about this? I don't know what I don't know. We've got walking and quacking ducks, but there's always more to everything, always.
Maybe an odd duck ?
Or a genius duck ?
Who knows.
I was wrong, he's just a boy with a dream.
Probably Russian.
With Boebert and Luna on the floor as House members… sorry; I can’t believe I could write any sentence that begins like that. Oy, gevalt.
Meshugganah!
Tru dat!
Fakakta schiksas !
My Yiddish spelling is messed up.
Yiddish isn’t in the autocorrect lexicon. The robot agents are schmucks.
Schlemiels ?
Correct.
As we say in Texas, vey is mir!
Friggin autocorrect! VEY IZ MIR!!!
Hell, yeah!
It really gets disappointing when you look at the hypocrisy from the right and the fact that if their boys do it, it’s always mental illness —but they sure like blaming progressives for shit they had no part in.
I hope to God this wasn't some kind of tipping point. I doubt Republicans will start calling for gun legislation.
And I condemn the violence. Charlie reaped what he sowed.
If anything, they'll ratchet up gun rights rhetoric even more.
And just in time yesterday, FL's ban on open carry was declared unconstitutional. This was always my biggest fear in the time I've lived here and am so grateful my escape plan is already in place.
Unfortunately, I'm stuck here in Cracker Central (Jacksonville)