Let us just say 1 point for the Dems and 0 points for the MAGA madmen and madwomen.
Wonder what MTG's take is on this stuff. She has taken a stance against Trump as have Massie, Boebert and Mace. Can we add anyone on or are they all going to try denial as their go to behavior about Trump's involvement. Will the MAGA crowd buy it?
Seems like they're too scared and don't realize if they got together they could be a check on him. But ya know, he's going to endorse a primary opponent to them so....
If it wasn't for Elon's ketamine fueled "drunk dialing WTF did I do" tweet of "Trump is in the Epstein files" none of this would probably be happening. ! I fear JD more than T, no matter what a buffoon he looks and sounds like. He is younger, smarter, colder and reptillian. The hillbilly couch fucker's lust for power is palpable. He is so close he can touch it. Don't let the eyeliner and squirrel cheeks fool you. They will back JDV I'm sure. He is Thiel's boy bought and paid for and I think that was the plan all along. I think it's just happening even faster than they thought. . Donnie Darko was the "charimastic" puppet they needed to bring in the Trojan horse of . Elon-Peter Thiel-JDVance-Curtis Yarvin and their Dark Enlightenment movement . who want to tear it all down and get JD installed. They are Donnie Demented's puppet masters along with Putin. They want our democracy gone and the sooner the better.
I can't believe we're actually counting on MTG (& the other 3) to stand by her convictions on this topic. Every day it feels more & more like up is down and down is off the charts.
I think, and hope, more R's will start asking for the files to be released as they realize the base really wants them, and they are up against it in the midterms. Besides, for no other reason, the survivors deserve it.
"when I first typed out AOC's name I misspelled it 'Ocasio-Cortex' and now it's canon"
I like it!
You should have T-shirts and coffee mugs made up with it.
If you can, send a piece of that action to AOC's re-election campaign or that PAC she's in with Bernie Sanders that I keep sending money to every month....
The part of my brain that handles cognitive dissonance and wondering how others do same is bewildered. How do these people stand there in broad daylight and lie so obviously because their eyes have seen what we see? The hypocrisy is beyond belief, and hundred percent disgusting.
when the Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinsky thing came out, I was in complete denial about it, right up until he confessed. so I can see how it can happen. but I also think I've grown up a lot in the last 30 years
Trump has never in his public life done anything to make us doubt: he&Epstein had a close personal relationship. There’s plenty of evidence Trump speaks disrespectfully of women. Yamiche Alcindor, I as an American,I apologize for the President’s classless way of speaking to you.
Trump did admit to liking younger women. He walked into the dressing room unannounced at the pageant he owned. In fact I can’t think of any public act that Trump has done that causes doubt about this card.
BTW the documentary on Ohio State, Dr Strauss rapes&Jim Jordan’s betrayal of his student has been released.
I have watched the documentary and have always wondered why this despicable man Strauss got away with all for over 20 years. I also wonder why Jordan has never been held accountable for ignoring the travesties of him. I am not a football fan so Ohio's reputation being more important than young men's lives in incomprehensible to me.
Jeff, you've matured into a fully functioning adult. Taco Don is still a 10 year old boy saying and doing stupid shit, only more dangerous with the power of the government behind him.
Hmm, I think it's more like the power of a compromised Supreme Court and a whole cabinet & congress of sycophants behind him. Government seems to not exist in trump world.
I allow him 1 star for not committing a child sex crime, but that is all. He was the President, and she was an intern. Hardly a reasonable equal workplace consent situation. As a woman in my 30s during those times, when women were gradually being accepted as having mental abilities equivalent to (or better than) men, I was disgusted and appalled. Equal rights for women was supposed to be on the Democratic agenda, right? Had I voted for Clinton? Yes. Were his overall policies for the country better? Yes. Was I still angry about his behavior? Yes.
I wasn't so angry at him since I'd worked for an attorney who had that same level of intense charisma which brought women flocking to him. He too tended to reciprocate, even as a friend - although so many wanted to take it further. It wasn't fun being me at 25, long-haired, long-legged (and having people point out that fact as if it was a given - and naturally ASS-U-ME that I too 'must be' one of 'his' fawning females purely because of my looks). HOWEVER, about Clinton, when I read Monica talking about her plan to 'go to Washington to get her Presidential knee-pads' it pretty much changed my opinion of HIS full culpability. YES, he should have known better, but don't forget that horrid Linda Tripp (since changed her face, her name and then passed away, afaik) - one of MY family members knew of her since their kids attended the same school...she was a holdover from the previous administration, biggest mistake they made was not kicking her out. A nasty human in her community in real life, HATED him and made no bones about setting out to take him AND Hillary down. Nothing would have reached the level it did without her deliberately using a silly, naive girl with a crush whose entire life was ruined because of this. Tripp didn't give a flying fuck what happened to Lewinsky which bothered me enormously. I'd watched (and very nearly had people treat ME similarly) that same scenario play out with other young women in real life. It would have ended, blown over (pun unintended) had it not been for Tripp and Gingrich. YES, he was a cad but certainly not the first and to his mind his was a white lie TO protect his reputation, wife and child, not an 'impeachable offense' remotely close to the World issues he was then dealing with OR the current LIAR who has the intellect and morals of a slug. I certainly lost respect for him but not at all for Hillary, SHE had to put on a brave face and soldier through - and she DID!
Yes, it was a different time, and light flirtatious behavior was interpreted differently then in many situations. I was part of a somewhat similar scene in those years. I am reactive because I had entered graduate school in those years as the third female student in the department. Would get strange questions from fellow male students asking why I was there (“Same reason as you - I am fascinated by science and good at it!”); faculty advisor would take the male students out to watch porn while I babysat his kids (he was a happily married man), etc. The department was aware; considered it fine. I wanted to be a hero, but left after 3 years, - had a very successful career in a technology field that did not exist previously. I get it - appearance made a huge difference then! Thank you for additional information. What a shame about Monica, and others, men and women, who assisted. Hillary had to be strong and tough - voted for her!
Thank you, you have framed it perfectly, for those of us who lived through it, things are a bit more nuanced, I support Monica in her sexuality, she made the decision to pursue him, and yes he should have known better. I hate that the republican lies have turned an adult woman's choice into rape. And somehow they managed to taint Gore and Hillary for her decision to pursue him, and his sex-addict's choice to indulge.
If you're talking about Clinton, let's drop the old Democratic habit of conceding 'Of course we'd throw our own overboard at the slightest provocation," while they concede nothing. Clinton likely has little to do with Epstein's sex trafficking network and was probably a social friend. Dd he know? Perhaps. But Clinton had a type and it was NOT a delicate adolescent. Monica was his youngest at 21 and she was a fully developed woman, who despite the power imbalance, knew what she was doing. She wasn't 14.
I know we do this to virtue signal and protect ourselves from any accusations, but it won't work with today's GOP who consider Democrats innately evil. To them, we will always be, as Stephen Miller says, an "extremist organization" and "danger to America." This type of thinking on our part is why we tossed Al Franken out for a little smutty humor, while they defend Trump, the rapist.
Yes & our ‘moral fiber’ was different back then, sadly… STILL - point being, would like to see the SAME DEGREE OF OUTRAGE & INDIGNATION FROM REPUBLICANS this time, yes? no? yeah right 🦗🦗🦗 we don’t even expect it :/
Agree. My personal opinion of Clinton's behavior may not have matched the lighter reaction of many, but I don't think I was completely alone in my opinion either. Anyway, the current situation is very grave, and that is where my focus is now.
Dragging Clinton is undermines the accusations against Trump. And whatever he may or may not have done, Clinton's situation was way different than Trump's.
Bill had a predator reputation regarding women before the White House. Don't understand why anyone wouldn't have thought before he confessed that there was a possibility that he could be guilty? Maybe it's just me, but I have never put a public figure up on a pedestal that I don't personally know. Even people you know do things you never thought they'd do. This blind trust in people has led to very sad consequences for their victims. Priests/ pastors are a perfect example.
Well, as they used to say “he was a tough dog to keep on the porch…” (and granted Hillary was well aware?!) YES - it was shocking at the time. Still - since then, how many Rs have been caught and/or convicted of indescretions🙄 - and live to run / win again… WEIRD
I believed it, but I didn't care, because that's between him and his wife. Lewinsky was older and said it was totally consensual. Guys cheating on their wives is between them. FDR also had a long term extra marital affair, everyone knew, and his wife tolerated it.
Having sex with underage girls who are essentially forced in some sick, weird reenactment of a Roman orgy, is absolutely a deal breaker
( It was also 2 consenting adults… also was confused when ppl thought Hillary ‘let women down’ by staying in the marriage… aren’t moral/religious ppl supposed to be about preserving marriage? Thanks (for nothing) Newt :/ )
The higher "executive functioning skills" aren't fully realized until around the age of *26*, so yeah....a 22 yr old is not that much closer to adulthood than a *16* yr old is, especially when it comes to not fully understanding the potential consequences of one's own actions.
Of course, there *are* exceptions. At his advanced age, #Bumblefuck MIGHT develop that level of awareness about half a nanosecond before his ass is yanked off this planet.
Why I say age 30 is that after you attain brain maturity at 26 you need four years of experience with your new brain to able operate in the world competently.
Same, infantilizing women is what purity types do. Monica was, and is, a sharp cookie, her fault was she trusted that vindictive bitch Tripp who threw her to the wolves.
Yes, they are hypocrites, the goal was always to destroy Hillary and her chances for future presidential runs. And sadly they succeeded. I knew when she told the religious fuck-wads who tried to dismiss her intellect, that she wasn't going to "stay at home and bake cookies", they were gunning for her.
Like it was fault that her husband cheated on her. I'm sure at some point she stopped caring. But the Republicans were constantly trying to paint the Democratic Party as a bunch of godless fornicators.
And then they picked Trump. Because its never been about morality. Its always been about white supremacy and anti working class. Their working class supporters are going to be shocked when they realize what benefits they are giving away.
"when the Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinsky thing came out, I was in complete denial about it, right up until he confessed. "
Oh, I believed it! I just didn't get the fuss (they're all consenting adults, right?)...right up to Hillary and Bill throwing an intern in her early Twenties under the bus, then backing the bus over her to save their own skins, repeatedly. The ugliness of the power dynamic on display there really made me question just what kind of people these two were.
When my Right Wing kid brother kept accusing Bill Clinton of being a "rapist" starting in 1992, I told him he needed to stop listening to Flush Limpdick so much. The Clintons' (both of them's!) shoddy treatment of Ms. Lewinsky was the first time I wondered if maybe my brother may have had a point....
That's why Hillary and Bill raping underage girls on Epstein Island comes as NO surprise to me.
They treat it like cheering for their football team, anything it takes to win. If there's a penalty for their side, the fucking ref is blind and there is no penalty. If there's a penalty for the other side... HAHA fucking deserved it!
EX-ACTLY. Heck, I'm convinced that's how this whole tribal talk radio thing got its start in the '80's, with Limbaugh basically copying the sports-talk call-in radio show format where people obsessed over their city's sports team for hours, and just changed the teams to Democrats bad, Republicans good.
Yes he ( mr. lame-o) wanted primarily to be a sports announcer does anyone else remember the shitty appearance on Monday Night Football) it was not going to be a thing.
It's exactly what it is now. I once watched 2 23-year olds get into a fist fight over whether or not Kyle Petty (racin' car driver) was a pussy. I'm not joking. We were all airmen in the USAF at the time living in the dorms. Take the level of tribalism in sports and amplify it by 100 and that's what governing, or pretending to govern, has become.
I’m combining two oldies to get my mind around all this: SNAFUBAR
Yet the Fat ship of state sails blissfully along finding no reef or rock sufficient to finally send it to davey jones locker to the relief of thinking people everywhere.
My perception as well. Trump couldn't tie his shoes or wipe his own ass without a valet, so it's obvious he wouldn't have been able to type his little imaginary birthday script or draw the (dismembered) girl's silhouette around it without assistance. Chances are less than zero that it was created without his direct involvement.
"Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein’s estate have given Congress a copy of the birthday book put together for the financier’s 50th birthday, which includes a letter with President Trump’s signature that he has said doesn’t exist."
'doo' weeks, as repeatedly spewed in his low-class Queens accent. NOT dumping on other people from Queens (I even lived there for 3 years and can assure you that I do NOT speak remotely like the dipwad-in-chief). It's like his 'gyna' (for China). He's THE singularly least educated, MOST low-class POS to ever occupy our Oval Office. At this point he even makes Georgie-boy look like an intellectual.
you know, for a guy who’s icky and old and smells bad because he doesn’t even realize he’s already dead, Biden sure does get around. he even went back in time twenty years so his autopen could do a nasty all over Jeffrey Epstein’s birthday book.
Hey, Tim - can I call you Tim? We need to talk. This letter was signed in 2003 when Biden was neither President or even Vice-President and Trump wasn't even running for President. So please tell me how, in 2003, Joe Biden got ahold of an autopen of Trump's signature. More proof that these people don't think things through to their logical conclusion before they open their mouths.
Thing #1 to keep in mind about Timmeh Burchett: He’s one of the most disingenuous fucking assholes on the planet. I know because he’s been stupid-ing up my corner of the state for decades now, not that it needed any more stupid-ing. His “dad-gum/ aw shucks” schtick is bullshit and makes me want to fucking vomit. Thank you for your attention, etc.
It is so irritating when politicians adopt that cornpone talk to sucker the rubes. Louisiana senator John N. Kennedy is #1 on my list: graduate of one of the most selective colleges and one of the top law schools in the nation, an Oxford scholar — and that phony "aw shucks" accent. Go to hell, Kennedy. (Take that other Kennedy, RFK Jr., with you)
Just like #JacketlessGymJordan has been doing to MY part of Ohio since way-too-long-ago - although I honestly don't believe Jimmy-One-Shirt has ever even VISITED my part of the "Duck District".
Li’l Timmeh has been everything around here, from Knox County mayor to state senator to, now, US Congressman. He’s like a booger you can’t flick off your finger. I once told one of his door-to-door minions, after they showed up canvassing at my house for the 2nd time, that if they ever set foot on my property again I’d call the police. I HATE these slimeball motherfuckers.
Yes! That's the Time Masheen (from Idiocracy) that allowed crafty Barry to go back to 1961 Honolulu and plant hundreds of peeps who swear they knew his parents, his grandparents, who worked at the University of Hawaii, the hospital where he was born, the bank where his grandmother worked, the place his grandfather worked, so that 47 years later he could run for president, seeing as how he was actually born in Kenya.
H12, but the ‘Private detective team dopey sent there’ this chapter I really loved because he actually did what dopey does, paid no attention for months took his own damn time. I miss him he was tortured and still brought us back to good standing in the world.
We've seen over and over that magats will believe any conspiracy theory that's thrown at them, so it's not a stretch that this would be added to the list.
Of course that is his handwriting. Who else signs all documents with a Sharpie. I've bought and sold several homes, cars, signed other legally required documents all with a ball point pen. Never have I signed my name with a Sharpie.
I would like to offer money to a journalist to ask—“if you didn’t submit this letter to your best friend on his 50th birthday, when oodles of other friends and associates DID, what did you do for his birthday?”
"Never met him. I did hear about him, he lived in south Floriduh, but I didn't know him, didn't ride on his plane, didn't rape underaged girls with him...oops..."
I'm going to make a guess here: every lying Rethuglican in Congress and in the White House who tries to bend reality and insist Donnie Demento had nothing to do with the birthday book........is named in the Epstein files.
every lying Rethuglican in Congress and in the White House who tries to bend reality and insist Donnie Demento had nothing to do with the birthday book........ Has at least one major donor who is named in the Epstein files.
Whether true or not to call him/her out might slow down the lies. What is wrong with these people? They must live in a bubble to keep reiterating the victimization stories.
The Turd’s asshat followers have no trouble swallowing all of the half baked lies and bullshit made up by Trump cronies about any Democrat but whenever real evidence is staring them in the face that Turd is not the man they think at home….. wait! They still swallow the same bullshit lies that Trump’s cronies use to wave it all away. I guess bullshit tastes really good when you’re MAGA
They know who he is, they’re just relying on the trump “squirrel” playbook and hope we are so ADD as a society we move on. Blowing up a boatload of people with no due process. Renaming the DOD. Legally disappearing any brown person in LA. Whatever…
View from the outside: There was a glimmer of hope when the rumours that Old Orange Shitweasel had finally kicked the bucket, only to be dashed onto the rocks of despair when he rose from the swamp to continue his reign of batshit craziness. Over here in both the UK and Europe it's sad that we only see the USA reduced to a laughing stock, fronted by a man with the charisma of a shit stained bedsheet! It's perfectly obvious that he and his GOP morons are going to do everything they possibly can to interfere with the mid-terms so he can cling on to power for the rest of his term and we sincerely hope that those elections are heavily scrutinised. When he comes over here, where he is as popular as a fart in a space suit, for his state visit there will be a collective effort to really fuck his shit up. We ares practicing booing already.
Britain's parliament and street protestors aren't afraid of the English language. I love the chant by Londoners from his last visit: "Hey, Donald Trump! We want to know ... why you're such a cunt."
when I first typed out AOC's name I misspelled it 'Ocasio-Cortex' and now it's canon
Well ... compared to any Republican, she has a prefrontal cortex that actually works.
Let us just say 1 point for the Dems and 0 points for the MAGA madmen and madwomen.
Wonder what MTG's take is on this stuff. She has taken a stance against Trump as have Massie, Boebert and Mace. Can we add anyone on or are they all going to try denial as their go to behavior about Trump's involvement. Will the MAGA crowd buy it?
I wonder how many Repugnants who loathe him will see this as a political opportunity to shy away from his control.
Depends on whether it looks like he is going down and they don't want to go down with the ship.
Seems like they're too scared and don't realize if they got together they could be a check on him. But ya know, he's going to endorse a primary opponent to them so....
But, who will pay for "primarying" them? Are Musk and Thiel going to back him or back JDV, whom they view as one of them?
If it wasn't for Elon's ketamine fueled "drunk dialing WTF did I do" tweet of "Trump is in the Epstein files" none of this would probably be happening. ! I fear JD more than T, no matter what a buffoon he looks and sounds like. He is younger, smarter, colder and reptillian. The hillbilly couch fucker's lust for power is palpable. He is so close he can touch it. Don't let the eyeliner and squirrel cheeks fool you. They will back JDV I'm sure. He is Thiel's boy bought and paid for and I think that was the plan all along. I think it's just happening even faster than they thought. . Donnie Darko was the "charimastic" puppet they needed to bring in the Trojan horse of . Elon-Peter Thiel-JDVance-Curtis Yarvin and their Dark Enlightenment movement . who want to tear it all down and get JD installed. They are Donnie Demented's puppet masters along with Putin. They want our democracy gone and the sooner the better.
Not with Thiels PayPal mafia Tech Bro billionaires ready to back their Yarvin loving brother Koko!
I think at least Greene is contemplating life after Trump, which I think is a situation which might be closer than folks think
I can't believe we're actually counting on MTG (& the other 3) to stand by her convictions on this topic. Every day it feels more & more like up is down and down is off the charts.
No sense of opprobrium in the miasma of MAGAMORONDOM Linda, thanks for keeping score!
Im laughing while typing at Jeffs use of words I use the the day prior on his posts, the very next day.
Love MAGAMORONDOM! or "MAGEMORONDUMB!"
I think, and hope, more R's will start asking for the files to be released as they realize the base really wants them, and they are up against it in the midterms. Besides, for no other reason, the survivors deserve it.
Yes the survivors deserve that. ✌🏽
That the survivors deserve it IS the main reason. But I'm afraid it ain't in their coochy (or couchy) coo playbook.
Maybe they will believe it will exonerate him
hahahahahahaha!
"Well ... she has a prefrontal cortex that works."
FIFY.
AOC - the sharpest tool in the toolbox!
Love her!
EPSTEINEPSTEINEPSTEINEPSTEINEPST
"when I first typed out AOC's name I misspelled it 'Ocasio-Cortex' and now it's canon"
I like it!
You should have T-shirts and coffee mugs made up with it.
If you can, send a piece of that action to AOC's re-election campaign or that PAC she's in with Bernie Sanders that I keep sending money to every month....
Thanks Jeff, for the misspelling and this post. As someone recently taught me over at Wonkette, it's just another "happy day at Camp Mordor."
Isn’t that where executive function resides?
The part of my brain that handles cognitive dissonance and wondering how others do same is bewildered. How do these people stand there in broad daylight and lie so obviously because their eyes have seen what we see? The hypocrisy is beyond belief, and hundred percent disgusting.
when the Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinsky thing came out, I was in complete denial about it, right up until he confessed. so I can see how it can happen. but I also think I've grown up a lot in the last 30 years
btw, I first mistyped 'clinton' as 'cliton' and now THAT'S canon, too
Also your Joe Biden autopen-Barack Obama birth certificate conspiracy time traveling theory to be embraced by batshit Q nuts any day now
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I re3ally hate when that happens...
It's the one where Krystal would do something awful like put a nail through his finger and then would say: I hate when that happens!
Have you ever taken a cheese grater....?
😂😂😂😂
Jerry / do you remember that SNL skit with bill krystal (I think it was him?)
Yeah... I don't remember it. I suppose it can be found on YouTube...?
I do! Also Christopher Guest
I think “Bill Clittin’” came from George Carlin before it came from you. However I’m not certain, as it’s more mysterious when the source is bearded
HA!!!!
Sublime
Oh, Lord. Just stop! I'm dying.
Bwahahahaha
🤣🤣🤣Ye are Fantastic Jeff.
😂🤣😂
🤣🤣🤣
Trump has never in his public life done anything to make us doubt: he&Epstein had a close personal relationship. There’s plenty of evidence Trump speaks disrespectfully of women. Yamiche Alcindor, I as an American,I apologize for the President’s classless way of speaking to you.
Trump did admit to liking younger women. He walked into the dressing room unannounced at the pageant he owned. In fact I can’t think of any public act that Trump has done that causes doubt about this card.
BTW the documentary on Ohio State, Dr Strauss rapes&Jim Jordan’s betrayal of his student has been released.
I have watched the documentary and have always wondered why this despicable man Strauss got away with all for over 20 years. I also wonder why Jordan has never been held accountable for ignoring the travesties of him. I am not a football fan so Ohio's reputation being more important than young men's lives in incomprehensible to me.
Les Wexner is a huge donor to Ohio State. Very involved with quieting the scandal. Epstein benefactor too. Curious NO?
Please input the name of the documentary and where it can be viewed, TYSM.
It's "Surviving Ohio State" and is streaming on HBO/Max, Hulu and Prime. It certainly shows that ol' Gym knew what was going on.
Thanks for confirming! I’ll put it in the queue.
Jeff, you've matured into a fully functioning adult. Taco Don is still a 10 year old boy saying and doing stupid shit, only more dangerous with the power of the government behind him.
Not even a 10-year-old, but more like a three-year-old?
Hmm, I think it's more like the power of a compromised Supreme Court and a whole cabinet & congress of sycophants behind him. Government seems to not exist in trump world.
My God! The Supine Court are war criminals. They should be hung.
I allow him 1 star for not committing a child sex crime, but that is all. He was the President, and she was an intern. Hardly a reasonable equal workplace consent situation. As a woman in my 30s during those times, when women were gradually being accepted as having mental abilities equivalent to (or better than) men, I was disgusted and appalled. Equal rights for women was supposed to be on the Democratic agenda, right? Had I voted for Clinton? Yes. Were his overall policies for the country better? Yes. Was I still angry about his behavior? Yes.
I wasn't so angry at him since I'd worked for an attorney who had that same level of intense charisma which brought women flocking to him. He too tended to reciprocate, even as a friend - although so many wanted to take it further. It wasn't fun being me at 25, long-haired, long-legged (and having people point out that fact as if it was a given - and naturally ASS-U-ME that I too 'must be' one of 'his' fawning females purely because of my looks). HOWEVER, about Clinton, when I read Monica talking about her plan to 'go to Washington to get her Presidential knee-pads' it pretty much changed my opinion of HIS full culpability. YES, he should have known better, but don't forget that horrid Linda Tripp (since changed her face, her name and then passed away, afaik) - one of MY family members knew of her since their kids attended the same school...she was a holdover from the previous administration, biggest mistake they made was not kicking her out. A nasty human in her community in real life, HATED him and made no bones about setting out to take him AND Hillary down. Nothing would have reached the level it did without her deliberately using a silly, naive girl with a crush whose entire life was ruined because of this. Tripp didn't give a flying fuck what happened to Lewinsky which bothered me enormously. I'd watched (and very nearly had people treat ME similarly) that same scenario play out with other young women in real life. It would have ended, blown over (pun unintended) had it not been for Tripp and Gingrich. YES, he was a cad but certainly not the first and to his mind his was a white lie TO protect his reputation, wife and child, not an 'impeachable offense' remotely close to the World issues he was then dealing with OR the current LIAR who has the intellect and morals of a slug. I certainly lost respect for him but not at all for Hillary, SHE had to put on a brave face and soldier through - and she DID!
Yes, it was a different time, and light flirtatious behavior was interpreted differently then in many situations. I was part of a somewhat similar scene in those years. I am reactive because I had entered graduate school in those years as the third female student in the department. Would get strange questions from fellow male students asking why I was there (“Same reason as you - I am fascinated by science and good at it!”); faculty advisor would take the male students out to watch porn while I babysat his kids (he was a happily married man), etc. The department was aware; considered it fine. I wanted to be a hero, but left after 3 years, - had a very successful career in a technology field that did not exist previously. I get it - appearance made a huge difference then! Thank you for additional information. What a shame about Monica, and others, men and women, who assisted. Hillary had to be strong and tough - voted for her!
Thank you, you have framed it perfectly, for those of us who lived through it, things are a bit more nuanced, I support Monica in her sexuality, she made the decision to pursue him, and yes he should have known better. I hate that the republican lies have turned an adult woman's choice into rape. And somehow they managed to taint Gore and Hillary for her decision to pursue him, and his sex-addict's choice to indulge.
Sex between consenting adults. Ugly but not illegal. She was totally enamored of him. Just a silly young woman.
Thanks - nice explanation.
It always puzzled me how disgusted people were about Bill Clinton, and yet idolized Jack Kennedy including his rumored (?) affair with Marilyn Monroe.
If you're talking about Clinton, let's drop the old Democratic habit of conceding 'Of course we'd throw our own overboard at the slightest provocation," while they concede nothing. Clinton likely has little to do with Epstein's sex trafficking network and was probably a social friend. Dd he know? Perhaps. But Clinton had a type and it was NOT a delicate adolescent. Monica was his youngest at 21 and she was a fully developed woman, who despite the power imbalance, knew what she was doing. She wasn't 14.
I know we do this to virtue signal and protect ourselves from any accusations, but it won't work with today's GOP who consider Democrats innately evil. To them, we will always be, as Stephen Miller says, an "extremist organization" and "danger to America." This type of thinking on our part is why we tossed Al Franken out for a little smutty humor, while they defend Trump, the rapist.
I thought Lewinsky was 22… still, absolutely of legal age.
Yes & our ‘moral fiber’ was different back then, sadly… STILL - point being, would like to see the SAME DEGREE OF OUTRAGE & INDIGNATION FROM REPUBLICANS this time, yes? no? yeah right 🦗🦗🦗 we don’t even expect it :/
Agree. My personal opinion of Clinton's behavior may not have matched the lighter reaction of many, but I don't think I was completely alone in my opinion either. Anyway, the current situation is very grave, and that is where my focus is now.
Dragging Clinton is undermines the accusations against Trump. And whatever he may or may not have done, Clinton's situation was way different than Trump's.
And guess what - IT’S NOT CARRYING THE SAME WEIGHT AS WHEN HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST BILL’S WIFE ;) oh well
Yes, thanks to Republican propaganda no one remembers how great of a president he actually was.
Bill had a predator reputation regarding women before the White House. Don't understand why anyone wouldn't have thought before he confessed that there was a possibility that he could be guilty? Maybe it's just me, but I have never put a public figure up on a pedestal that I don't personally know. Even people you know do things you never thought they'd do. This blind trust in people has led to very sad consequences for their victims. Priests/ pastors are a perfect example.
Well, as they used to say “he was a tough dog to keep on the porch…” (and granted Hillary was well aware?!) YES - it was shocking at the time. Still - since then, how many Rs have been caught and/or convicted of indescretions🙄 - and live to run / win again… WEIRD
So wait - were any LAWS BROKEN in Clinton / Lewinsky? Why waste precious time thinking abt it if it wasn’t even in the SAME LEAGUE 🤔
Thank you for giving me a label for my innocence during the Clinton fiasco as well as Nixon fiasco "blind trust in people."
"the silver tongued devil" has been dead to me since his willingness to throw Monca to the wolves .
Agree. Yes, yes & yes.
I believed it, but I didn't care, because that's between him and his wife. Lewinsky was older and said it was totally consensual. Guys cheating on their wives is between them. FDR also had a long term extra marital affair, everyone knew, and his wife tolerated it.
Having sex with underage girls who are essentially forced in some sick, weird reenactment of a Roman orgy, is absolutely a deal breaker
I actually have a diary from that day, right before, where I wrote “I love my president “.
But FFS, they were consenting adults…
I was never in denial about it: I could understand it. I've walked more than a few miles in those shoes.
( It was also 2 consenting adults… also was confused when ppl thought Hillary ‘let women down’ by staying in the marriage… aren’t moral/religious ppl supposed to be about preserving marriage? Thanks (for nothing) Newt :/ )
As far as I'm concerned, a 22-year-old is an adult in name only. Most people don't really grow up until age 30 at least.
The higher "executive functioning skills" aren't fully realized until around the age of *26*, so yeah....a 22 yr old is not that much closer to adulthood than a *16* yr old is, especially when it comes to not fully understanding the potential consequences of one's own actions.
Of course, there *are* exceptions. At his advanced age, #Bumblefuck MIGHT develop that level of awareness about half a nanosecond before his ass is yanked off this planet.
Why I say age 30 is that after you attain brain maturity at 26 you need four years of experience with your new brain to able operate in the world competently.
Posted almost the same thing!
I was pretty savy at 22. Traveled around Europe met a lot of guys. Drank wine.
Same, infantilizing women is what purity types do. Monica was, and is, a sharp cookie, her fault was she trusted that vindictive bitch Tripp who threw her to the wolves.
Yes, they are hypocrites, the goal was always to destroy Hillary and her chances for future presidential runs. And sadly they succeeded. I knew when she told the religious fuck-wads who tried to dismiss her intellect, that she wasn't going to "stay at home and bake cookies", they were gunning for her.
Like it was fault that her husband cheated on her. I'm sure at some point she stopped caring. But the Republicans were constantly trying to paint the Democratic Party as a bunch of godless fornicators.
And then they picked Trump. Because its never been about morality. Its always been about white supremacy and anti working class. Their working class supporters are going to be shocked when they realize what benefits they are giving away.
I knew it was true, and that it was consensual. What married man ever admitted to an affair back then.
"when the Bill Clinton - Monica Lewinsky thing came out, I was in complete denial about it, right up until he confessed. "
Oh, I believed it! I just didn't get the fuss (they're all consenting adults, right?)...right up to Hillary and Bill throwing an intern in her early Twenties under the bus, then backing the bus over her to save their own skins, repeatedly. The ugliness of the power dynamic on display there really made me question just what kind of people these two were.
When my Right Wing kid brother kept accusing Bill Clinton of being a "rapist" starting in 1992, I told him he needed to stop listening to Flush Limpdick so much. The Clintons' (both of them's!) shoddy treatment of Ms. Lewinsky was the first time I wondered if maybe my brother may have had a point....
That's why Hillary and Bill raping underage girls on Epstein Island comes as NO surprise to me.
If Clinton had done anything even remotely like what is in those files, House Republicans would have had two years of hearings on it by now.
Their silence is the proof.
They lie to us as we are literally watching the scene unfold on TV. No shame, no ethics, no morals.
Always offended, never ashamed. It’s the magat motto!
They treat it like cheering for their football team, anything it takes to win. If there's a penalty for their side, the fucking ref is blind and there is no penalty. If there's a penalty for the other side... HAHA fucking deserved it!
EX-ACTLY. Heck, I'm convinced that's how this whole tribal talk radio thing got its start in the '80's, with Limbaugh basically copying the sports-talk call-in radio show format where people obsessed over their city's sports team for hours, and just changed the teams to Democrats bad, Republicans good.
Yes he ( mr. lame-o) wanted primarily to be a sports announcer does anyone else remember the shitty appearance on Monday Night Football) it was not going to be a thing.
Thank heavens we don't have to listen to Limbaugh's big mouth anymore.
Supposedly “All Roads Lead (back to) RUSH”…
And Newt Gingrich. He of the poison tongue.
yes, exactly. It’s all one big game to them.
It's exactly what it is now. I once watched 2 23-year olds get into a fist fight over whether or not Kyle Petty (racin' car driver) was a pussy. I'm not joking. We were all airmen in the USAF at the time living in the dorms. Take the level of tribalism in sports and amplify it by 100 and that's what governing, or pretending to govern, has become.
I’m combining two oldies to get my mind around all this: SNAFUBAR
Yet the Fat ship of state sails blissfully along finding no reef or rock sufficient to finally send it to davey jones locker to the relief of thinking people everywhere.
We are doomed.
SNAFUBAR!
🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
Republicans have mastered the magic of "doublethink." Two plus two is five in Dear Leader's demented world.
$$$$$$ Is all they care about.
The grossest, most alarming, and yet wholly unsurprising thing about Trump's little drawing? It's clearly the body of a 12-year-old girl.
No head, no arms, no legs. Just a torso. The only part those daughterfkers care about.
Look at Ann Taelnes' latest cartoon.
https://substack.com/@anntelnaes
My perception as well. Trump couldn't tie his shoes or wipe his own ass without a valet, so it's obvious he wouldn't have been able to type his little imaginary birthday script or draw the (dismembered) girl's silhouette around it without assistance. Chances are less than zero that it was created without his direct involvement.
Exactly my first thought, then I started reading comments and was happy/grossed out to see my thoughts validated…
It’s not truly dumb until Comer brings his fresh take.
AOC should start doing Newsom-style tweets. She'd be really good at it.
"Lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein’s estate have given Congress a copy of the birthday book put together for the financier’s 50th birthday, which includes a letter with President Trump’s signature that he has said doesn’t exist."
Nothing to add here.
what a humiliating way for don jr. to find out his dad sends birthday cards.
- @mollyknight.bsky.social
Thank you, that made me laugh out loud!!!!
That comment from Molly was primo.
😂😂😂😂
My husband read that comment this morning, too. When he told me about it in the car a little later, I about spewed my Pepsi all over the windshield!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope Molly is basking in the sheer ‘viralness’ of it‼️
Can't wait for the deposition tr💩mp won't do, after he drops his case against Murdoch.
Coming out in about two weeks he said a year ago.
'doo' weeks, as repeatedly spewed in his low-class Queens accent. NOT dumping on other people from Queens (I even lived there for 3 years and can assure you that I do NOT speak remotely like the dipwad-in-chief). It's like his 'gyna' (for China). He's THE singularly least educated, MOST low-class POS to ever occupy our Oval Office. At this point he even makes Georgie-boy look like an intellectual.
you know, for a guy who’s icky and old and smells bad because he doesn’t even realize he’s already dead, Biden sure does get around. he even went back in time twenty years so his autopen could do a nasty all over Jeffrey Epstein’s birthday book.
😌😝‼️
Hey, Tim - can I call you Tim? We need to talk. This letter was signed in 2003 when Biden was neither President or even Vice-President and Trump wasn't even running for President. So please tell me how, in 2003, Joe Biden got ahold of an autopen of Trump's signature. More proof that these people don't think things through to their logical conclusion before they open their mouths.
Thing #1 to keep in mind about Timmeh Burchett: He’s one of the most disingenuous fucking assholes on the planet. I know because he’s been stupid-ing up my corner of the state for decades now, not that it needed any more stupid-ing. His “dad-gum/ aw shucks” schtick is bullshit and makes me want to fucking vomit. Thank you for your attention, etc.
It is so irritating when politicians adopt that cornpone talk to sucker the rubes. Louisiana senator John N. Kennedy is #1 on my list: graduate of one of the most selective colleges and one of the top law schools in the nation, an Oxford scholar — and that phony "aw shucks" accent. Go to hell, Kennedy. (Take that other Kennedy, RFK Jr., with you)
Get close to him and vomit on his shoes…do it for us, please!
Dave, I make it a point to stay as far away from this jackass as possible.
He needs to be re-incarcerated in the Keebler Tree
Just like #JacketlessGymJordan has been doing to MY part of Ohio since way-too-long-ago - although I honestly don't believe Jimmy-One-Shirt has ever even VISITED my part of the "Duck District".
Li’l Timmeh has been everything around here, from Knox County mayor to state senator to, now, US Congressman. He’s like a booger you can’t flick off your finger. I once told one of his door-to-door minions, after they showed up canvassing at my house for the 2nd time, that if they ever set foot on my property again I’d call the police. I HATE these slimeball motherfuckers.
But that's just how reverse hoaxes work
dontcha know ?
he borrowed Obama's time machine
Yes! That's the Time Masheen (from Idiocracy) that allowed crafty Barry to go back to 1961 Honolulu and plant hundreds of peeps who swear they knew his parents, his grandparents, who worked at the University of Hawaii, the hospital where he was born, the bank where his grandmother worked, the place his grandfather worked, so that 47 years later he could run for president, seeing as how he was actually born in Kenya.
H12, but the ‘Private detective team dopey sent there’ this chapter I really loved because he actually did what dopey does, paid no attention for months took his own damn time. I miss him he was tortured and still brought us back to good standing in the world.
Barack Obama has so much intelligence, class, coolness, dignity, and goodness. Dump has none of these, so he hates Obama and is jealous of him
President Obama was effortlessly cool. That's why Trump hates him.
We've seen over and over that magats will believe any conspiracy theory that's thrown at them, so it's not a stretch that this would be added to the list.
What an asshole! What a pig! What a fucking herd of assholes and pigs!! Shame on all of them.
They have no shame.
One needs a working conscience to experience shame.
If there was a HALL OF SHAME, it would have to be 5x the size of the Pentagon to fit all of these clowns in!
Of course that is his handwriting. Who else signs all documents with a Sharpie. I've bought and sold several homes, cars, signed other legally required documents all with a ball point pen. Never have I signed my name with a Sharpie.
But, you do use a Sharpie when you plot the direction of a tropical storm, don’t you?
It dawned on me last night, that ALMOST EVERY NARCISSIST I've known/helped counsel had the habit of using a BLACK SHARPIE! Seriously!
It must be the narcissists version of a BIG BLACK CRAYON. 🤔😬
Goes with their big, overblown ego.
Makes up for the lack of other appendages.
I would like to offer money to a journalist to ask—“if you didn’t submit this letter to your best friend on his 50th birthday, when oodles of other friends and associates DID, what did you do for his birthday?”
His reply: “huh? I don’t even know this guy.” 🙄
"Never met him. I did hear about him, he lived in south Floriduh, but I didn't know him, didn't ride on his plane, didn't rape underaged girls with him...oops..."
Follow up—“didn’t anyone ask you for a note?”
He wouldn’t be able to resist saying yes, since everyone else was asked.
Another hoax made up by low IQ individuals.
I wish him well....in the afterlife.
He was HARD at work at his Childrens Cancer Foundation 🤬
Oh that is a good one ouch!
I'm going to make a guess here: every lying Rethuglican in Congress and in the White House who tries to bend reality and insist Donnie Demento had nothing to do with the birthday book........is named in the Epstein files.
Nah, they're small fry. Epstein would've done nothing for them. They are so small they spend their lives cowering in fear from Trump.
every lying Rethuglican in Congress and in the White House who tries to bend reality and insist Donnie Demento had nothing to do with the birthday book........ Has at least one major donor who is named in the Epstein files.
FIFY
👆🎯Ding, ding, ding! We have a winnah!
Whether true or not to call him/her out might slow down the lies. What is wrong with these people? They must live in a bubble to keep reiterating the victimization stories.
The Turd’s asshat followers have no trouble swallowing all of the half baked lies and bullshit made up by Trump cronies about any Democrat but whenever real evidence is staring them in the face that Turd is not the man they think at home….. wait! They still swallow the same bullshit lies that Trump’s cronies use to wave it all away. I guess bullshit tastes really good when you’re MAGA
They know who he is, they’re just relying on the trump “squirrel” playbook and hope we are so ADD as a society we move on. Blowing up a boatload of people with no due process. Renaming the DOD. Legally disappearing any brown person in LA. Whatever…
Yep. They're all "yum, give me more of that fat fuck fascist fondu!".
Or, as I say to them, "He feeds you SHIT....tells you it's CAVIAR....& YOU SLURP IT UP WILLINGLY!"
Which is the flip side of what we used to say back in the '70s:
"If you can't Dazzle them w/ BRILLIANCE,
Baffle them w/ BULLSHIT."
🤢 All of them make me 🤮…….Fuck around and Find Out boys!
So I would guess that Fox has not covered it!?!
of course not
https://www.threads.com/@kolchak/post/DOXBW4VkhpI
Figured
But my rural tv station that’s pretty red is covering it. & also some of the BBB cuts & the economic impact of his policies..
Don't publicize these rural tv stations as the Trump regime will shut them down!
Well, that gives me a little hope.
But…but…but… what about the drag queens? 🙄
+ TRANS‼️⁉️
Yeah, the right has been calling them “pedos” for years. Because, as we know, with these sickos, every accusation is a confession.
actually hoping that maga finally snaps out of it (one of these days…)… bc as they say: “THERE WOULD BE NO DONALDtRUMp w/o 🦊 NEWS!!”
Add pizza parlor to the projection list.
Still waiting to find even one case of a drag queen molesting a child. Every time I do a search all my hits involve "pastors."
Hunter's wanker! Hunter's wanker on his laptop!
(squirrel!!!?✨)
Yeah I see what you did there, very good George.
View from the outside: There was a glimmer of hope when the rumours that Old Orange Shitweasel had finally kicked the bucket, only to be dashed onto the rocks of despair when he rose from the swamp to continue his reign of batshit craziness. Over here in both the UK and Europe it's sad that we only see the USA reduced to a laughing stock, fronted by a man with the charisma of a shit stained bedsheet! It's perfectly obvious that he and his GOP morons are going to do everything they possibly can to interfere with the mid-terms so he can cling on to power for the rest of his term and we sincerely hope that those elections are heavily scrutinised. When he comes over here, where he is as popular as a fart in a space suit, for his state visit there will be a collective effort to really fuck his shit up. We ares practicing booing already.
Britain's parliament and street protestors aren't afraid of the English language. I love the chant by Londoners from his last visit: "Hey, Donald Trump! We want to know ... why you're such a cunt."
Why has stupid Charles extended another invitation?
Camilla probably wants to see Trump.
Is there a date set for that yet? I've been wondering when it was supposed to happen?
Thank you for your help. We are so embarrassed by this pedo.