This may sound flippant, but doing something right in #47 would set a standard & expectations. Screw that. Most of what Dwumpy does is against the law, so almost everything in his administration is wrong in the worst way. The Lamestream media has already forsaken any comparisons to the competence and high standards set by a DEMOCRAT President, so of course, zero feedback, zero expectations, just more crap. Crap, crap, crap. I hope #47's other cerebral hemisphere goes fuckity bye, and this ridiculous, idiotic, destructive, insane reactionary fever dream of a government goes bye-bye along with the Chief Executive who only has 3 poorly linked brain cells left finally stops functioning.
And apparently, he was recognized by his MINISTER, who then contacted his dad. Wow, not a Godless pagan either, it seems. (And note how often the media assumes that you can't be both Christian and transgender?)
WSJ. Wouldn't that be Rupert Murdoch's paper and his responsibility? That fossilized sick jackass has been shitting out propaganda, trying to divide and ruin this country for 50 years. He's pretty much achieved that dream.
I agree. Mr. Kirk was a big supporter of the 2nd amendment and once said a few shooting deaths a year was the reasonable price we paid for freedom. I disagree with that sentiment.
Kirk was literally in the middle of pretending that trans mass shooters were a way bigger problem than they actually are -- and when the questioner brought receipts, he used racism to deflect -- when he was shot.
Yep. It can't possibly be a normal guy. Or worse a libertarian or some other far right crazy. I take it the guy is not Black or Hispanic or they wouldn't have had to make up some hated minority that's not easily proven wrong.
It turns out the shooter was a fan of Nick Fuentes, who was a’feudin’ with Kirk because he thought a) Kirk wasn’t racist enough (?!), and b) he thought Kirk was bleeding his own fan base.
The right wing rage incitement ploy has been so effective, and their base so incendiary, that it is backfiring on them. The whole political violence problem of late should be firmly laid at the Pedo Protector Party's doorstep, because that's where it belongs. When you create a monster, you must be aware that it may turn uncontrollable and come for you.
Donald said on FAUX this am… do you want to bring the country together? “I really don’t care”. That says it all..just like Mel’s little jacket said the same.
The NYT has a pretty interesting Cletus-safari article where they interviewed a lot of conservatives across the country who recognized that political violence is not just aimed at Republicans and that there's something dangerous in the air. So I don't think the disconnect between the daily rhetoric and the demands for empathy when it happens to one of their own is going unnoticed.
Completely and predictably consistent from him. He is only for himself. We know this. Will the idiot cultists ever get this through their thick skulls?
He looks as though he has had a minor stroke or TIA. My boss's face drooped exactly like that when he had a TIA right in the office. Scared the crap out of both of us.
Wendy, Get ready for some trans blowback, even if the graving is correctly reported- like Jeff said it’s garbled but noteworthy. There is a war on the Raibow Flag and war is war. Pushed into a corner and worse daily (thanks Charley) it must be opposed. Assassination isn’t the answer but it got the attention that the fucked up msm has lost for good.
It's not correctly reported. Spencer Cox this morning described the actual markings, and they're not at all what the WSJ said they were. Most of them were related to video games/a particular game, and some were anti-fascist.
I'm far more inclined to trust Cox and the Utah police, or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, because he's walked the walk on working with the Democrats and turning down the heat. The Utah police are also not live-tweeting the investigation and didn't fire all their most competent people because they were "DEI hires" and install podcast bros in leadership positions. Fortunately, it's a state matter ultimately, so they'll be able to have a good amount of control over what's released and the messaging.
Exactly, May. Meidas Touch, Jim Acosta, The Contrarian, The Bulwark, all the Indies need to profile this kid and make sure the truth about him gets out there. Meidas, after all, has international reach and a larger US audience than Joe Rogan and Fox.
Anyway, we know only shit thus far and no rag newspaper will tell the truth same with all of them. Now this is in the Cone of Silence and Fabrication. If it is decided he flys out the 13th floor of a 12 story building scraped up and thrown in the ocean. Today is gaslighting day, oh yeah our dear leader will mumble incoherent crap while his stroked out lips wobble in the breeze, gone is the anus mouth can’t do it no more. God the mumbling will get worse.
Whether it was "pro trans" or not (and knowing 16 trans or nonbinary people, I am very pro leaving them alone to live their lives, go to school, work their jobs, DJ at a local club, intern at the art museum etc) the idea of a "trans ideology" is, as you pointed out, friggin' stupid. It would be like me saying I have a left-handed "ideology" because I am left-handed.
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us when a fire breaks out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
Cox also said investigators reviewed messages on the messaging platform Discord from a person named "Tyler" that referenced a rifle wrapped in a towel that was left in the woods and engravings on bullets.
Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones.
The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?"
An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay."
Cox declined to speculate on the meaning of the inscriptions.
"I will leave that up to you to interpret what those engravings mean," Cox said. He added that the "Hey fascist, catch!" inscription "speaks for itself."
Definitely sans any reference to pro-trans anything.
My question is: Why has Donny his own self been the first “source” to reveal the latest updates on the assassination story? He posted that Charlie Kirk was dead even before media had confirmed it; now he’s up bright and early on Fox to be the first one to inform us about the arrest of a suspect. Or am I missing something as I take my morning crazy pills?
Donny, as an attention whore, always has to have all eyes and ears on him, so even announcements normally done by state police or an FBI SAC will be done by him so he can be the center of attention.
Expect the right wing media and rethuglicans to twist themselves into knots trying to keep the narrative that it is the radical left who did it. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
Will we ever know? We cannot trust anything that this administration tells us, even the "truth!" Understanding that it is a kakistocracy will explain that the incompetence reigns supreme here.
Dubious Linda, you’re so very right! Between prevarication and provocation, we’ll never know where the spinning ball of chaos and nonsense lands, on any given day!
Germany will be a nice landing spot, aside from being a bit too close to Putin, to view this circus of clown fuckery in America!
If I make it there. My mother is moved into memory care, but we still need to clear out her old place and meet with the long term care insurance nurse. I still have to get our house on the market and the contractor is doing some small things to get it ready, get our goods shipped off, a whole day project doing the shipping inventory. We are also moving in Chicago as well, so I have been supervising all the parts of 3 moves. Whew! When I get back I am going to just take a couple of days off. None while I am here.
It’s a circus show I’m not attending Ole, having worked with government intelligence( sorry oxymoron), and seen this clown show for the past 10 years, like you, I have my doubts about the whole damn thing… especially the massive diversion that everyone should be aware of!
We're such a primitive society. I don't care if you're black, purple, trans, or gay. What matters is...are you an ethical, kind being? In no way does being trans or gay have a negative impact on anyone else. Leave each other alone.
Ok, Jeff, I have just confirmed through reliable sources, that the shooter is a few things.
1. An UWU person - its an Anime subculture deal - Anime-inspired cuteness overload: exaggerated emotional expressions through stylized text and mannerisms.
2. A 4chan extremist.
3. On numerous racists, and facist Discords.
4. Subject has also been identified as a Groyper (Nick Fuentes army designation).
A number of his comments in those spaces have been published.
Krazee eyes Kash is already taking a victory lap and pontificating ‘this is what happens when you let good cops be cops’ , followed by an immediate pivot to a vigorous tonguing of fat Donnie’s ball sack for some reason.
The shooters Dad called in and snitched him out, Kash. You were fumbling around with oingo boingo trashing the various crime scenes. You did nothing.
Are we sure it's not just a "Parallax View" patsy, while the real killer hopped on a plane and was gone in 30 minutes? Or, have I just come up with a conspiracy theory of my own?
yeah, what about that mysterious "dark" plane? and the guys purportedly making hand signals? and Netan-whozis announcing same time as trump? was looking fwd to an international convoluted assassination plot instead of Same Old Confused Kid. Owell, there's always Netflix
As I have said, the regime has fired all of the competent people, which will slow down this investigation, and I will not trust anything that is being reported.
I am also bothered by how Charlie Kirk is being turned into a romantic hero. It is tragic what happened to him, but he is not a hero. At least not to me. Clearly he is one to Trump and Vance. For me heros have to do something positive.
Exactly. Yesterday a right wing Swede in the EU parliament asked for a moment of Silence for Kirk. Here was the response. This was shared with me from Indivisible Abroad.
I’m more bothered by the wall to wall news telecasters that see this as warranting non stop analyses and raising Kirk’s profile in his death. His death was no more outrageous as the assassination of Melissa Hartman and her husband, or the assassination of schoolchildren while they’re in school.
It’s also been covered in Canada; it was tempered but still exuded the appropriate sentiments due to someone who is assassinated without elevating them to the status of a saint or a well respected politician. Yes, trump did indeed elevate the rhetoric because of his friendship with Kirk. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already thought of having a State funeral for him but being talked out of it by his protocol people.
The last words to leave his lips were a racial dog whistle. That's kind of a sad legacy, and if there is an afterlife, I wonder if he's regretting them.
I think what happened is tragic. If we had good gun control laws like other civilized countries do, you cannot get in a knife from 200 feet like you can a bullet. The 47 school shootings in 2025 are tragic too. We need to have tough gun legislation in Blue states that is enforced regardless of what the Supreme Court says, and legislation that says no other state can bring a case against a law of your state. If the Supreme Court overrules it, ignore their ruling. That is, we have to recognize just like some did in Nazi Germany that following the unjust laws of an unjust ruling body is not just.
He wanted me murdered. My life is in less danger because that mf is no longer with us. The school shootings are tragic. The elimination of a domestic terrorist is not.
They were committing murders already. The ones who will go on to do actual violence instead of making noise behind a screen were already doing so, and it is going to be more difficult to recruit more into committing actual violence now that they see there could be actual consequences.
Lets hope it slows down recruiting. When you say, "now that they see there could be actual consequences." you might be overestimating the understanding of recruits. If that was a lesson that was learned we would see less gun usage.
Every assassins bullet that results in death is a tragedy for the family, friends and those who love and lost them Robert, don’t let hatred ruin you mon Ami!
It is not a tragedy for the family either. The kids will not be raised by Charlie Kirk or have any memory of him. That is better for them. As for those who rode the gravy train of his monetization of hatred, their loss too is only fitting. I have zero sympathy for anyone in those circles much as they had none for me.
The money stream may also have been an inducement, although I don't know anything about her and am perhaps being too cynical. She is likely to find however that other men of this type are not eager to spend their resources on kids that are not from their sperm. The best I can wish for her is that this event shocks her into rethinking some things.
I read where she was Miss Arizona in 2012. Pretty woman. She is really involved in the religious right. I read where he was worth $14 million so she should be fine financially.
Charlie Kirk shows how White, American men who offer hate of others can pull themselves up by their bootstraps as they get elevated by the radical right. A German rhetorical counterpart would be AfDs Maximillian Krah. Trump, Vance and Musk would see this as a complement.
Americans need to develop an understanding that people in Nazi Germany had to as well. Just because something is the law does not make it right. This SCOTUS does not follow the law in making decisions, and we need to pick and choose what to follow. I am glad that Blue State leadership is examining how to join together and against the Federal regime. I would like to see them enacting and enforcing strong gun control laws, and making laws that say other states cannot bring lawsuits in their states against their legislation. Illinois has had a problem with a filthy rich right wing person backing someone in another state to take our gun control laws to SCOTUS where they were shot down. SCOTUS has no power of enforcement which is why Trump ignores them unless they rule the way he wants, which they mostly do. This way they can keep a vague semblance of being in charge. We can take that away. Blue States need to be crying States rights on everything and putting together their own State guards like Republicans have done. An Illinois version of the Texas Rangers would be in order.
Someone replied to a FB post yesterday with, “How do you know he wasn’t a good person? He could have bad ideas and still be a wonderful person.” A “bad idea” is mixing Diet Coke and Mentos in your family room. The things coming out of CK’s mouth went way beyond “bad ideas.” (Just want to be clear that I condemn what happened to him. There’s never a reason for gun violence.)
The "bad ideas" fits in perfectly with what the news outlets have been doing. Matthew Dowd was fired because he was the one and only person who spoke the basic truth, instead of the massive handwringing over the killing of the nice, opinionated white boy who was a daddy and just wanted to have political discussions with people who were wrong--ie, liberal (one commentator noted, with admiration, that Kirk "didn't shout" when he "engaged" in his "discourse").....
Charlie Kirk did absolutely nothing in his life but spew bigotry and hatred: he was the poster boy of the frightened white man, who feared everyone who was different from him--women, LGBTQ+, trans, Jewish, Black/Brown, etc., etc. He devoted himself to persuading as many other people as possible to accept his ugly worldview.
I personally am against gun violence--but Kirk was not: his own words make it clear that he would not have had a problem with what happened. Perverse, to say the least--but it's what he believed.
I already 99% of the time never listen to MSNBC anymore, but firing Dowd was the last straw. If I have to listen to news, I'll turn on (holding my nose) CNN.
As a writer, I believe that words are powerful. Unfortunately, some choose to use theirs to hurt others. They also tend to be the “loudest” and, therefore, the most heard. Those of us on the right side of the history playing out before us need to find ways to become louder.
I only knew who he was because he comes up frequently during This Week in Stupid and other Substacks. I definitely didn’t seek him out! Many of the things he said and believed were disturbing to say the least, but I’ll never take the side of gun violence.
A Trump supporter FB “friend” (we haven’t socialized in over 20 years) shared a laughable graphic (by a FB group called “Uplifting Each Other”) showing a smiling Jesus hugging Charlie Kirk and saying, “You have done well, my good and faithful servant.” Putting aside the fact that Jesus looks more like a Brooklyn Bro than anything else, the idea that Charlie Kirk, who displayed little respect for human life because of his very vocal views on guns and the Second Amendment, makes this artwork ludicrous. I did not engage too deeply with my former friend (I’ve unsuccessfully tried this before), but I did point out Kirk’s controversial opinions about a few gun deaths being worth the freedom of gun ownership. Oops, irony.
Ezra Klein is just one of the millennial "Besserwisser" who seem to have had such sheltered lives that they lack imagination to understand the world, who have been elevated at the NYT. I cannot stand to listen to him. I do not think that the Ivy Leagues prepares people to analyze the rest of the world. After arguments with several Ezra types at the NYT I had to stop my subscription. Waste of time.
Not the EU Parliament however. This is their response.
Here’s Why w/ Kevin Ortega-Rojas on Instagram: "MUST WATCH: Instead of silence, members of the EU Parliament today banged their desks in protest when a member wanted to honor a MAGA influencer who was shot yesterday. A Swedish right-wing member of the EU parliament requested a moment of silence at the beginning of the meeting which was quickly denied. He then yielded his time on the microphone to speak on Charlie Kirk and request a moment of silence despite his request being denied. “Mr. Weimers, we discussed this, and you know that the president has denied the request for a minute of silence,” she said. Many members of the Parliament soon began banging on their desks and shouting in protest. - - - #HeresWhy #CharlieKirk #DonaldTrump #MAGA #Republicans #Democrats #Utah #News #Trending #GunReform #Viral #GunViolence #Trump2024 #FOXNews #Police #Update #TurningPointUSA"
A point made in a recent article in The Atlantic, which Andra Watkins shared. While I am partially in Smart America, I also have other experiences which give me insights. One is being Brown skinned and German and living between 2 countries and cultures and languages.
When he originally appeared in NYT his writing seemed thoughtful… but he turned into a MAGA apologist. One of the reasons I ditched NYT after the 2016 election.
Jeff, you neglected to show empathy for poor Charlie Kirk before and after mentioning his name. I'm clutching my pearls. I made a ranting FB post and to my shock and awe, lost followers because I--checks notes--made a plea to care about dead children, more than a racist, homophobic, transphobic, white supremacist and was called intolerant to boot.
And the two Colorado teens are still in critical condition. The shooter shot himself, but not after being fully radicalized online. Thank god he didn't have an assault rifle or it would've been much worse. He had to pause and reload. Lives were saved that way.
A couple of friends and I were marveling over how many FB “friends” we seem to have lost since yesterday. I’m about to unfriend my own brother, who’s always been a dick-head anyway.
Yep. I find it funny that the MAGAats are always the ones doing the unfriending too. I guess my flaming fingertips are too hot for their little snowflake eyeballs.
I had to laugh at how I was lectured about how CK was all about "open discourse" and "free speech" and how my post, which was textbook "open discourse" and "free speech," was actually terrible and intolerant. These people are fucking nuts.
I posted yesterday on FB the meme w/ Charlie Kirk’s quote “I think it's worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” My brother commented that it was taken ‘out of context.’ When I asked him what context was that?, he said he didn’t know, he’d only heard of CK yesterday. 🙄
The hagiography going on regarding the latest martyr for the holy Second Amendment makes me puke. The flags at half-staff? Couchfuck escorting his body back to Arizona on Air Force Two? Give me a fucking break. This guy was nothing more than a Christofascist troll and a self-righteous sanctimonious tool. He has, though, become very valuable to the current regime: muting the call for the Epstein files and giving McGoebbels a convenient excuse to eliminate Democrats, and democracy, from America.
I wonder who they’ll blame for inflation, joblessness and rampant pedophilia when we’re gone?
I believed that from the beginning. How did this doofus become a skilled assassin? Did he "confess" to his parents because he is having a breakdown? Whatever. The Magats have their suspect and that's all they care about. I'm sure they've got Jack Ruby on speed dial.
I read an explainer somewhere yesterday that said the skill required to have made this shot really isn’t military-level or all that special. Gonna see if I can refind it.
It wasn’t. Most average deer hunters could hit a tennis ball on a post at 200 yds. It’s not some miracle Lee Harvey Oswald shot. I could certainly do it and I’m no sniper.
According to an ex FBI guy, that gun did not need much skill. He said that if you shot it a few times at a gun range then it would be easy. He also thinks the fool was aiming at the head and missed.
Ditto, the gun laws in Utah are totally insane, no one would think anything of seeing a guy with a rifle over his shoulder. Plus Trumps back off the Epstein side show, that Kirk ignored.
Coincidence theorists should be scouring the internet Sharon!
"did not match other summaries of the evidence’ is polite newsroom-speak for ‘it was a fucking lie.’” Man, thats the truth. No way will I believe a damned thing without checking it 20 times…
And Please….Ezra Klein can Fuck all the way off. JFC.
I'm a recovering Catholic goin' to church on Sunday for the first time in 50 years for my grandkids' baptism. I'll be sure to put in a good word for you and your request while I'm there, Arne. Amen.
It's strange because his face clearly looked like a TIA or Bell's palsy, but the speech he gave at the event didn't sound any worse than his normal way of speaking.
I recently read a comment which perfectly explained my feelings about Kirk’s killing. I don’t support the gun violence that killed him, but Charlie did. He stated that some gun deaths were permissible to protect the second amendment. I doubt he ever considered that he might be one of those deaths. As a person of faith, I find the efforts of the usual crazies to canonize this man to be especially repugnant.
I just found this brilliant analysis of Charlie Kirk's death in the comments section of a Raw Story article. Thank you to Sharman Galloway for posting it:
“Charlie Kirk has long argued that the epidemic of gun violence in America is the regrettable, but acceptable, price of liberty. In his words, the trade-off is a “prudent deal,” a “rational” sacrifice to preserve the Second Amendment and protect what he calls “God-given rights.” (He said these cruel and heartless words at a speaking event in April 2023 — I'm just the messenger.) When children are slaughtered in their classrooms, when congregants are gunned down in churches, when families are erased at grocery stores, Kirk’s response is not grief but calculus. The deaths are tragic, he says, but worth it. A necessary toll paid at freedom’s gate. “Thought and prayers.” And so, when he himself was shot at a speaking event in Utah, the hypocrisy was deafening. Here was a man who minimized other people’s agony, suddenly forced to taste the violence he once dismissed. This is what I mean by Second Amendment justice: not that the shooting should be celebrated, not that violence solves anything, but that the logic he defended has folded back on him like a tesseract. He declared that mass shootings were an unfortunate but tolerable part of liberty. Then he became a victim of the very “tolerable violence” he worked so hard to normalize. That is the lesson here, the harsh and unsentimental truth. You cannot unleash a culture of violence, bless it as liberty, and then feign shock when it arrives at your own doorstep. The Second Amendment, as interpreted by Kirk and his allies, does not discriminate. It devours indiscriminately. That is the justice of it. Not divine, not poetic — merely inevitable.” - Thaddeus Howze
Kirk considered "others" (whatever category they were) to be expendable; his inflated sense of self-importance clearly shielded him from realizing that his willingness to sacrifice lives to gun violence, in worship of the 2nd Amendment, meant he, too, was in the line of fire.
Jeff, Donald on FAUX this am, sitting on a white couch with no visible sig of a towel. Asking him about “bringing the country together “… “I really don’t care” Asked about right wing violence, once again he says “really don’t care about right wing violence, it’s the left wing criminal violence that we are concerned with”..💩💩💩 What more can you say? Best to All.. buckle up folks it’s going to get real choppy sooner than you think.
I think the opposite. Most Americans are recoiling from the violence, overcompensating in my view but I think the violence will actually be lessened by this removal of one of the more effective voices pushing young men towards murder.
In a response to a question this morning about political division in this country following Kirk’s death, trump stated “he couldn’t care less.” The host asked him what could be done to “fix this country.”
I just read this in The Guardian.
That’s the President of the United States not caring about anything other than himself and his sycophants.
Interpreted the arrows to mean what again? I saw this and immediately thought, “These are the same geniuses who saw crown and soccer tattoos on immigrants and assumed they were Tren de Aragua gang members, then had them sent to CECOT.”
As commentator John Jackson noted, arrows printed on cartridges are quite common. “It’s actually a headstamp, every cartridge on earth has this. Some have arrows. It identifies the manufacturer. Idiots.” He provided examples. (The arrows are used to denote Canadian or UK government issue.)
The idea that keystone field agents from the ATF (F stands for ‘Firearms,’ let’s not forget) would see ammunition cartridges with arrow markings on them and immediately go, “Trans community!” is an indictment of the rot that has overtaken the minds of so many.
The Wall Street Journal later amended its reporting to note that the initial “bulletin may not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition.”
This came up in a series I was watching as well, it is called "The Good Fight" where there was some nefarious purpose attributed to the markings on bullets that was going to get someone convicted but instead it was just the standard markings on this type of bullet which the ballistics expert had to explain. Our government is not run by the best and the brightest is an understatement.
Is there anything but Republicans in Utah? Maybe this young man is just confused or needs attention. Remember the guy who "confessed" that he murdered Jon Benet. He was in Europe at the time and got a free ride home. There was lots of coverage of him at the time, but nothing came of it. He was just a nutcase. We shall see.
Not just republicans in Utah. One of my favorite editorial cartoonists is Pat Bagley who recently retired from the Salt Lake City Tribune. I also went to high school with him! 😄 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Bagley
It's Utah. It's already assumed that the kid's family is GOP and Mormon unless we are told differently. Has Mike Lee opened his stupid mouth about any of this yet?
I’ve been following live updates on the BBC. I skipped over what Kash Patel said. I have no reason to believe (1) he knows what he’s doing or (2) that he’s telling the truth.
Dems, start lining up the Church Commission 2.0. There’s a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done at the FBI.
I had a stroke several years ago that took out most of the right hemisphere of my brain, and for a while afterwards the left side of my face drooped like that. My (not a doctor!) diagnosis for DJT is a severe left-hemisphere stroke. Jeezus, that's where language processing takes place, no wonder he talks like a befuddled fool. There's some serious health shit geing covered up here.
I'm a nurse, not a doc, but a severe stroke from what I've seen would have paralyzed him totally/semi on some/all of his right side and we're not seeing that. A lesser stroke, yes, could have caused the facial droop. But the stupidity - that's a congenital defect with him.
Thanks for the better educated input, but just speaking from personal experience, my stroke, which was classified as major did not paralyze me, it just weakened the muscles on my left side and affected my balance. The road back involved a lot of P T and hard work, none of which DJT is getting.
Sorry that you had to experience that. I hope that you have recovered and are doing well. Strokes are scary things. The problem with Trump (and I'm being somewhat sarcastic) is that he acts/sounds so stupid to begin with that it's hard to tell what is a new impairment or him just being him. He does look awful recently though and makes less sense than ever. I think that dementia is at play here also. You know that they will hide/excuse this for as long as they can.
and, of course, 99% of this post was written before the announcement that they've identified and arrested the suspect
and, as I was clicking 'publish,' Ms. Spouse was reading to me what was actually written on the bullets, and none of it sounded pro-trans
Conserative trash.
They WANT the person to be trans so that they can validate that its ok to kill and attack people like me, Jeff.
believe me, I know
I can see that I am going to have to update my news article at least 4 fucking times today.
Goddammit, Trump Administration...why the fuck cant you do anything right.
This may sound flippant, but doing something right in #47 would set a standard & expectations. Screw that. Most of what Dwumpy does is against the law, so almost everything in his administration is wrong in the worst way. The Lamestream media has already forsaken any comparisons to the competence and high standards set by a DEMOCRAT President, so of course, zero feedback, zero expectations, just more crap. Crap, crap, crap. I hope #47's other cerebral hemisphere goes fuckity bye, and this ridiculous, idiotic, destructive, insane reactionary fever dream of a government goes bye-bye along with the Chief Executive who only has 3 poorly linked brain cells left finally stops functioning.
And whad'ya know - it's a WHITE MAN! Presumably straight, definitely not the trans woman illegal hispanic they were rooting for.
And apparently, he was recognized by his MINISTER, who then contacted his dad. Wow, not a Godless pagan either, it seems. (And note how often the media assumes that you can't be both Christian and transgender?)
Also, not a drag queen, nor a godless atheist.
It would have been ok if he was anAtheist as we are not burdened with doctrines,ism etc. Atheists are FREE THINKERS
hardly
Also, he has no known party affiliation? Too bad for you, MAGA fanatics.
The WSJ was publishing deadly slander for the purpose of inciting murders. Like Charlie Kirk, they are domestic terrorists.
I hope that someone sues the fucking pants off those idiots.
‘William Randolph Hearst 2.0’ (on steroids)… c’mon America - THIS IS NOTHING NEW 😡‼️
WSJ. Wouldn't that be Rupert Murdoch's paper and his responsibility? That fossilized sick jackass has been shitting out propaganda, trying to divide and ruin this country for 50 years. He's pretty much achieved that dream.
And yet, and yet, and yet ...90% of the time it's a straight white male. Should we attack and kill THEM?
We definitely need to take away the guns of all straight white men because just look at the stats!!
I agree. Mr. Kirk was a big supporter of the 2nd amendment and once said a few shooting deaths a year was the reasonable price we paid for freedom. I disagree with that sentiment.
Kirk was literally in the middle of pretending that trans mass shooters were a way bigger problem than they actually are -- and when the questioner brought receipts, he used racism to deflect -- when he was shot.
No commendation, but there is an orderly progression there.
Yep. It can't possibly be a normal guy. Or worse a libertarian or some other far right crazy. I take it the guy is not Black or Hispanic or they wouldn't have had to make up some hated minority that's not easily proven wrong.
‘The Brooks Brothers Riot’ 2.0 (to scale)… c’mon America - can you be bothered to connect a couple dots? smdh
And like me.
It turns out the shooter was a fan of Nick Fuentes, who was a’feudin’ with Kirk because he thought a) Kirk wasn’t racist enough (?!), and b) he thought Kirk was bleeding his own fan base.
The right wing rage incitement ploy has been so effective, and their base so incendiary, that it is backfiring on them. The whole political violence problem of late should be firmly laid at the Pedo Protector Party's doorstep, because that's where it belongs. When you create a monster, you must be aware that it may turn uncontrollable and come for you.
Donald said on FAUX this am… do you want to bring the country together? “I really don’t care”. That says it all..just like Mel’s little jacket said the same.
Because he lost the PR War with… vlad&co… Got played? 😒 And Americans accept this statement from a sitting PRESIDENT??? WOW🔥🔥🔥
The NYT has a pretty interesting Cletus-safari article where they interviewed a lot of conservatives across the country who recognized that political violence is not just aimed at Republicans and that there's something dangerous in the air. So I don't think the disconnect between the daily rhetoric and the demands for empathy when it happens to one of their own is going unnoticed.
Completely and predictably consistent from him. He is only for himself. We know this. Will the idiot cultists ever get this through their thick skulls?
He has more power in a country divided.
Now can we subpoena the Pedo in Chief's face? Comer Fudd are you listening?
It was on the side of his face where he hangs his drool cup?
He looks as though he has had a minor stroke or TIA. My boss's face drooped exactly like that when he had a TIA right in the office. Scared the crap out of both of us.
Hl2, this is gonna back fire on them SOOO hard.
Wendy, Get ready for some trans blowback, even if the graving is correctly reported- like Jeff said it’s garbled but noteworthy. There is a war on the Raibow Flag and war is war. Pushed into a corner and worse daily (thanks Charley) it must be opposed. Assassination isn’t the answer but it got the attention that the fucked up msm has lost for good.
It's not correctly reported. Spencer Cox this morning described the actual markings, and they're not at all what the WSJ said they were. Most of them were related to video games/a particular game, and some were anti-fascist.
I'm far more inclined to trust Cox and the Utah police, or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, because he's walked the walk on working with the Democrats and turning down the heat. The Utah police are also not live-tweeting the investigation and didn't fire all their most competent people because they were "DEI hires" and install podcast bros in leadership positions. Fortunately, it's a state matter ultimately, so they'll be able to have a good amount of control over what's released and the messaging.
Yeah this trans woman is all ready braced.
Its GONNA SUCK, hugely.
Let us hope Wendy.
Independent media needs to do a full profile on this kid because the government is going to try to shape his story to their narrative.
Why? The Butler shooter disappeared pretty quick… when he didn’t fit the narrative(?!)
P12, correcto it was killed by the same fuckers.
Exactly, May. Meidas Touch, Jim Acosta, The Contrarian, The Bulwark, all the Indies need to profile this kid and make sure the truth about him gets out there. Meidas, after all, has international reach and a larger US audience than Joe Rogan and Fox.
What!? Independent media! What country are living in.
They might get him killed during transfer. That would secure his ascension as a martyr for the cause. We shall see.
That's always the plan May.
WHOA! LOL - Told my husband the shooter was probably a Fuentes fan
So obvious.
Holy buckets
Thats just pure and wonderful information.
Kirk was NOT racist enough.
Fits in with his wearing a ball cap, a flag on his T-shirt and Oakley’s; The official uniform of Y’all Qaeda.
Anyway, we know only shit thus far and no rag newspaper will tell the truth same with all of them. Now this is in the Cone of Silence and Fabrication. If it is decided he flys out the 13th floor of a 12 story building scraped up and thrown in the ocean. Today is gaslighting day, oh yeah our dear leader will mumble incoherent crap while his stroked out lips wobble in the breeze, gone is the anus mouth can’t do it no more. God the mumbling will get worse.
Neal, are you being serious? Is what you said about the shooter being a fan of Fuentes true?
Itʻs based on the bullet etchings and the Pepe the Frog pictures. They say heʻs a Groyper. The theory is that there is a beef between the Fuentes and Kirk factions of MAGA. Others are now disputing this. I think you really have to be terminally online to understand the distinctions: https://www.theverge.com/politics/777313/charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-scratched-bullets-with-a-helldivers-combo-and-a-furry-sex-meme
Your source, please! I am unaable to confirm from The Guardian, Scripps or DW
Prove it.
What is the source for the Nick Fuentes connection?
You’re making shit up
No, he's not.
Whether it was "pro trans" or not (and knowing 16 trans or nonbinary people, I am very pro leaving them alone to live their lives, go to school, work their jobs, DJ at a local club, intern at the art museum etc) the idea of a "trans ideology" is, as you pointed out, friggin' stupid. It would be like me saying I have a left-handed "ideology" because I am left-handed.
Grifting to turn grief into grievance, manipulating the many’s mourning, Donald Trump solicits rage that he can exploit for violence. He does not seek to quench the Nation’s anger, he seeks to inflame the moment, stoking the fire. It is he and Kirk that traded in violent rhetoric. They monetized it like the money changers they are. They gaslighted the rest of us when a fire breaks out, and they simultaneously fanned those flames while pouring the gasoline on the fire. https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/bilious-hate-mongering?r=3m1bs
Cox also said investigators reviewed messages on the messaging platform Discord from a person named "Tyler" that referenced a rifle wrapped in a towel that was left in the woods and engravings on bullets.
Cox said that there were inscriptions on the casings of the fired bullet and three unfired ones.
The fired bullet casing contained the inscription, "Notices bulges OwO what's this?"
An unfired bullet casing read, "Hey fascist, catch!" And a second unfired casing read, "oh bella ciao, bella cio, bella ciao, ciao, ciao." A third unfired casing said, "If you read this, you are gay."
Cox declined to speculate on the meaning of the inscriptions.
"I will leave that up to you to interpret what those engravings mean," Cox said. He added that the "Hey fascist, catch!" inscription "speaks for itself."
Definitely sans any reference to pro-trans anything.
So glad Cox is involved in this; he's one of the few non-MAGA Republican governors.
Correct - anti-fascist, sure. But pro-trans was 100% bullshit.
Hyper-fascist, actually. Did not consider Kirk to be fascist enough.
It’s a manufacture mark or some such.
I also read that the dude is not a registered D.
Shooter should be treated like they (cops) treat Kyle Rittenhoff the asshole that killed random blacks in the streets.
https://www.theverge.com/politics/777313/charlie-kirks-alleged-killer-scratched-bullets-with-a-helldivers-combo-and-a-furry-sex-meme
So what what was engraved on the bullet?
My question is: Why has Donny his own self been the first “source” to reveal the latest updates on the assassination story? He posted that Charlie Kirk was dead even before media had confirmed it; now he’s up bright and early on Fox to be the first one to inform us about the arrest of a suspect. Or am I missing something as I take my morning crazy pills?
Donny, as an attention whore, always has to have all eyes and ears on him, so even announcements normally done by state police or an FBI SAC will be done by him so he can be the center of attention.
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It’s equally crazy as his previous prepared comments from the Oval Office yesterday… WTF is all I’ve got Mz!
They have a suspect…but is it the right person?
Suspect is a right wing nut job.
NOT TRANS.
NOT QUEER
NOT GAY.
He's one of theirs.
Sit on that Trumpty StrokeFucker.
Oh, how disappointing for the hate-mongers. This is going to get their secret panties in a twist.
And not a drag queen, again!
drag queens are really falling down on the job
OK, that made me laugh.
AGAIN! I'm starting to suspect they're making this shit up.
Ok, that made me laugh out loud. Thank you.
Exactly.
Expect the right wing media and rethuglicans to twist themselves into knots trying to keep the narrative that it is the radical left who did it. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
And they will never apologize for all their lies.
Not an atheist!
Update: Civil War cancelled due to shooter being demographically uncooperative
- @nameshiv.bsky.social
Will we ever know? We cannot trust anything that this administration tells us, even the "truth!" Understanding that it is a kakistocracy will explain that the incompetence reigns supreme here.
Dubious Linda, you’re so very right! Between prevarication and provocation, we’ll never know where the spinning ball of chaos and nonsense lands, on any given day!
Germany will be a nice landing spot, aside from being a bit too close to Putin, to view this circus of clown fuckery in America!
If I make it there. My mother is moved into memory care, but we still need to clear out her old place and meet with the long term care insurance nurse. I still have to get our house on the market and the contractor is doing some small things to get it ready, get our goods shipped off, a whole day project doing the shipping inventory. We are also moving in Chicago as well, so I have been supervising all the parts of 3 moves. Whew! When I get back I am going to just take a couple of days off. None while I am here.
Bon Chance, with all that Linda! It’s never easy moving, but in your case I’m sure you’ll find a way!
Never too soon to start the paperwork.
According to a piece I just read, he told his father that he was the shooter, and his father told him to turn himself in.
If true, that was some awesome police work to find him - NOT. The police didn't find him, dad did.
Do we believe this?
More than a curious report I’d say!
I saw that…. Tyler Robinsons dad has a friend who is a US Marshal. NPR
Curious Sharon, I guess Father knows best!
Father snitched him out is what I read.
It’s a circus show I’m not attending Ole, having worked with government intelligence( sorry oxymoron), and seen this clown show for the past 10 years, like you, I have my doubts about the whole damn thing… especially the massive diversion that everyone should be aware of!
As Homer Simpson would say, "We've got the right suspect THIS time."
LOL!!
You mean, they couldn't find a trans person to set up?
We're such a primitive society. I don't care if you're black, purple, trans, or gay. What matters is...are you an ethical, kind being? In no way does being trans or gay have a negative impact on anyone else. Leave each other alone.
The right is so out of control. 🙄
Susan, your post here is my favorite of the day so far.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
My thoughts exactly.
Ok, Jeff, I have just confirmed through reliable sources, that the shooter is a few things.
1. An UWU person - its an Anime subculture deal - Anime-inspired cuteness overload: exaggerated emotional expressions through stylized text and mannerisms.
2. A 4chan extremist.
3. On numerous racists, and facist Discords.
4. Subject has also been identified as a Groyper (Nick Fuentes army designation).
A number of his comments in those spaces have been published.
How about YOU define your acronym? The use of unexplained acronyms is one of those intentional barriers to communication that I always find annoying.
Thank you, Robert. Undefined acronyms should be abolished. They drive me nuts.
Comment updated.
Comment updated.
Thank you
Krazee eyes Kash is already taking a victory lap and pontificating ‘this is what happens when you let good cops be cops’ , followed by an immediate pivot to a vigorous tonguing of fat Donnie’s ball sack for some reason.
The shooters Dad called in and snitched him out, Kash. You were fumbling around with oingo boingo trashing the various crime scenes. You did nothing.
Jeez, these are the Mole people.
Yes get dopey’s FBI in there so Patel can make some shit up. There was a day when they would stfu until a case was adjudicated.
Keep telling them the way it is, Jeff. Thanks.
Well dont worry jeff. I did the same thing. See nonreply comment.
Are we sure it's not just a "Parallax View" patsy, while the real killer hopped on a plane and was gone in 30 minutes? Or, have I just come up with a conspiracy theory of my own?
yeah, what about that mysterious "dark" plane? and the guys purportedly making hand signals? and Netan-whozis announcing same time as trump? was looking fwd to an international convoluted assassination plot instead of Same Old Confused Kid. Owell, there's always Netflix
What did Netanyahu announce?
the Kirk shooting - same time stamp as trump
God, these guys are sloppy.
It still counts.
As I have said, the regime has fired all of the competent people, which will slow down this investigation, and I will not trust anything that is being reported.
I am also bothered by how Charlie Kirk is being turned into a romantic hero. It is tragic what happened to him, but he is not a hero. At least not to me. Clearly he is one to Trump and Vance. For me heros have to do something positive.
They need to publish a list of Charlies quotes… the stuff he said was sick.
Exactly. Yesterday a right wing Swede in the EU parliament asked for a moment of Silence for Kirk. Here was the response. This was shared with me from Indivisible Abroad.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOe5YbGkaya/?igsh=bHdla3Jla2R3NTE1
I mean … why on God’s green earth would the EU parliament have a moment of silence for Charlie Fucking Kirk?!
Exactly their thinking! In fact, I think Democrats should learn to bang their tin cups when Republicans say nasty things until the person shuts up.
Thats great... glad you shared that!
The correct response
Can’t read it, but can imagine!
The Guardian did.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
his saying a few gun deaths is just the price we have to pay for the sacred 2nd amendment
There was one on JoeMyGod in the overnight thread from Wednesday night.
I’m more bothered by the wall to wall news telecasters that see this as warranting non stop analyses and raising Kirk’s profile in his death. His death was no more outrageous as the assassination of Melissa Hartman and her husband, or the assassination of schoolchildren while they’re in school.
Trump is elevating it though and they are either following his lead or getting fired.
Even the Hindustani Times is reporting it.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/us/charlie-kirk-shooting-list-of-people-fired-over-insensitive-remarks-on-activists-death-101757680798859.html
It’s also been covered in Canada; it was tempered but still exuded the appropriate sentiments due to someone who is assassinated without elevating them to the status of a saint or a well respected politician. Yes, trump did indeed elevate the rhetoric because of his friendship with Kirk. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has already thought of having a State funeral for him but being talked out of it by his protocol people.
Charlie Kirk wasn’t a “hero” to JD and Donny. He was a useful idiot, one to be exploited and then terminated when his usefulness lost its value.
The last words to leave his lips were a racial dog whistle. That's kind of a sad legacy, and if there is an afterlife, I wonder if he's regretting them.
I’ll certainly never know Nancy!
And....his usefulness ended when he started pushing for the release of the Epstein files.
True dat Mz!
It is NOT tragic what happened to him. No more than the deaths of Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein were tragic.
I think what happened is tragic. If we had good gun control laws like other civilized countries do, you cannot get in a knife from 200 feet like you can a bullet. The 47 school shootings in 2025 are tragic too. We need to have tough gun legislation in Blue states that is enforced regardless of what the Supreme Court says, and legislation that says no other state can bring a case against a law of your state. If the Supreme Court overrules it, ignore their ruling. That is, we have to recognize just like some did in Nazi Germany that following the unjust laws of an unjust ruling body is not just.
He wanted me murdered. My life is in less danger because that mf is no longer with us. The school shootings are tragic. The elimination of a domestic terrorist is not.
Robert I am glad you are safer now. People in this country as a whole are not because the Right wing is getting riled up by this event.
They were committing murders already. The ones who will go on to do actual violence instead of making noise behind a screen were already doing so, and it is going to be more difficult to recruit more into committing actual violence now that they see there could be actual consequences.
Lets hope it slows down recruiting. When you say, "now that they see there could be actual consequences." you might be overestimating the understanding of recruits. If that was a lesson that was learned we would see less gun usage.
harsh but fair
Every assassins bullet that results in death is a tragedy for the family, friends and those who love and lost them Robert, don’t let hatred ruin you mon Ami!
It is not a tragedy for the family either. The kids will not be raised by Charlie Kirk or have any memory of him. That is better for them. As for those who rode the gravy train of his monetization of hatred, their loss too is only fitting. I have zero sympathy for anyone in those circles much as they had none for me.
Their mom is a Bible banger and she obviously went along with what Charlie said because she married him.
The money stream may also have been an inducement, although I don't know anything about her and am perhaps being too cynical. She is likely to find however that other men of this type are not eager to spend their resources on kids that are not from their sperm. The best I can wish for her is that this event shocks her into rethinking some things.
I read where she was Miss Arizona in 2012. Pretty woman. She is really involved in the religious right. I read where he was worth $14 million so she should be fine financially.
Not just a romantic hero, but a second coming of Jesus Christ himself.
Charlie Kirk shows how White, American men who offer hate of others can pull themselves up by their bootstraps as they get elevated by the radical right. A German rhetorical counterpart would be AfDs Maximillian Krah. Trump, Vance and Musk would see this as a complement.
https://apnews.com/article/germany-far-right-lawmaker-krah-raids-afd-cff529ebf8635e09925d8a2fb0e0c2ae
Americans need to develop an understanding that people in Nazi Germany had to as well. Just because something is the law does not make it right. This SCOTUS does not follow the law in making decisions, and we need to pick and choose what to follow. I am glad that Blue State leadership is examining how to join together and against the Federal regime. I would like to see them enacting and enforcing strong gun control laws, and making laws that say other states cannot bring lawsuits in their states against their legislation. Illinois has had a problem with a filthy rich right wing person backing someone in another state to take our gun control laws to SCOTUS where they were shot down. SCOTUS has no power of enforcement which is why Trump ignores them unless they rule the way he wants, which they mostly do. This way they can keep a vague semblance of being in charge. We can take that away. Blue States need to be crying States rights on everything and putting together their own State guards like Republicans have done. An Illinois version of the Texas Rangers would be in order.
The only thing Kirk had in common with Jesus is that they both were put to death.
He built his fortune on division and hate. Yet he will be canonized before the month is out.
Not by Pope Leo.
Someone replied to a FB post yesterday with, “How do you know he wasn’t a good person? He could have bad ideas and still be a wonderful person.” A “bad idea” is mixing Diet Coke and Mentos in your family room. The things coming out of CK’s mouth went way beyond “bad ideas.” (Just want to be clear that I condemn what happened to him. There’s never a reason for gun violence.)
The "bad ideas" fits in perfectly with what the news outlets have been doing. Matthew Dowd was fired because he was the one and only person who spoke the basic truth, instead of the massive handwringing over the killing of the nice, opinionated white boy who was a daddy and just wanted to have political discussions with people who were wrong--ie, liberal (one commentator noted, with admiration, that Kirk "didn't shout" when he "engaged" in his "discourse").....
Charlie Kirk did absolutely nothing in his life but spew bigotry and hatred: he was the poster boy of the frightened white man, who feared everyone who was different from him--women, LGBTQ+, trans, Jewish, Black/Brown, etc., etc. He devoted himself to persuading as many other people as possible to accept his ugly worldview.
I personally am against gun violence--but Kirk was not: his own words make it clear that he would not have had a problem with what happened. Perverse, to say the least--but it's what he believed.
I already 99% of the time never listen to MSNBC anymore, but firing Dowd was the last straw. If I have to listen to news, I'll turn on (holding my nose) CNN.
As a writer, I believe that words are powerful. Unfortunately, some choose to use theirs to hurt others. They also tend to be the “loudest” and, therefore, the most heard. Those of us on the right side of the history playing out before us need to find ways to become louder.
A bad idea is drinking Diet Coke in the first place. Give me real Coke, please.
Lol I couldn’t remember if all Coke exploded with Mentos or just diet. 😂 We weren’t allowed to have pop growing up.
Honestly Heather, I never listened to him. I just heard about him, so I believe you.
I only knew who he was because he comes up frequently during This Week in Stupid and other Substacks. I definitely didn’t seek him out! Many of the things he said and believed were disturbing to say the least, but I’ll never take the side of gun violence.
Agreed Linda, making a person with that much hate living inside, is neither a hero, nor a martyr!
A Trump supporter FB “friend” (we haven’t socialized in over 20 years) shared a laughable graphic (by a FB group called “Uplifting Each Other”) showing a smiling Jesus hugging Charlie Kirk and saying, “You have done well, my good and faithful servant.” Putting aside the fact that Jesus looks more like a Brooklyn Bro than anything else, the idea that Charlie Kirk, who displayed little respect for human life because of his very vocal views on guns and the Second Amendment, makes this artwork ludicrous. I did not engage too deeply with my former friend (I’ve unsuccessfully tried this before), but I did point out Kirk’s controversial opinions about a few gun deaths being worth the freedom of gun ownership. Oops, irony.
UPGRADED TO PAID JUST SO I COULD SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS "THANK YOU, JEFF!!!"
Ezra Klein's ideology is only marginally left of JD Vance and Peter Thiel's. He is a cancer to left-wing commentary.
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Ezra Klein is just one of the millennial "Besserwisser" who seem to have had such sheltered lives that they lack imagination to understand the world, who have been elevated at the NYT. I cannot stand to listen to him. I do not think that the Ivy Leagues prepares people to analyze the rest of the world. After arguments with several Ezra types at the NYT I had to stop my subscription. Waste of time.
Such is the tenor of the current "discourse" that being a hateful troll is considered by some as doing it the "right way." Oh FFS.
We live in a world where shouting over each other is defined as "inviting dialogue."
his entire platform was built atop degrading people like me, but to Klein, that's fair game.
Performative words to up readership, or try to maintain it. Not my readership. That is long gone.
Yes. Sanewashing of inflammatory hateful behavior.
Not the EU Parliament however. This is their response.
Here’s Why w/ Kevin Ortega-Rojas on Instagram: "MUST WATCH: Instead of silence, members of the EU Parliament today banged their desks in protest when a member wanted to honor a MAGA influencer who was shot yesterday. A Swedish right-wing member of the EU parliament requested a moment of silence at the beginning of the meeting which was quickly denied. He then yielded his time on the microphone to speak on Charlie Kirk and request a moment of silence despite his request being denied. “Mr. Weimers, we discussed this, and you know that the president has denied the request for a minute of silence,” she said. Many members of the Parliament soon began banging on their desks and shouting in protest. - - - #HeresWhy #CharlieKirk #DonaldTrump #MAGA #Republicans #Democrats #Utah #News #Trending #GunReform #Viral #GunViolence #Trump2024 #FOXNews #Police #Update #TurningPointUSA"
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOe5YbGkaya/?igsh=bHdla3Jla2R3NTE1
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That deserves a right on Doc!
Hear! Hear! "I do not think that the Ivy Leagues prepares people to analyze the rest of the world. "
A point made in a recent article in The Atlantic, which Andra Watkins shared. While I am partially in Smart America, I also have other experiences which give me insights. One is being Brown skinned and German and living between 2 countries and cultures and languages.
https://open.substack.com/pub/andrawatkins/p/todays-deja-vu-is-yesterdays-premonition?r=f0qfn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
me too!
Klein is, as you say a cancer on left-wing commentary, but wrapped up in pseudo-intellectualism.
well, that's par for the course when comparing one to Thiel or Vance!
Welcome to our nuthouse, Kiara!
thanks, Dave, love your profile pic!
When he originally appeared in NYT his writing seemed thoughtful… but he turned into a MAGA apologist. One of the reasons I ditched NYT after the 2016 election.
You won’t regret it! I can’t really start my day until I’ve read my morning Jeffy.
I read every free post, so I'm excited for more :)
Didn't Klein years ago appear to be reasonable? What happened?
He's always been kind of phony. But I'm pretty far left.
Nicely said Kiara!
Jeff, you neglected to show empathy for poor Charlie Kirk before and after mentioning his name. I'm clutching my pearls. I made a ranting FB post and to my shock and awe, lost followers because I--checks notes--made a plea to care about dead children, more than a racist, homophobic, transphobic, white supremacist and was called intolerant to boot.
Yep. Just another day in Amurica.
And the two Colorado teens are still in critical condition. The shooter shot himself, but not after being fully radicalized online. Thank god he didn't have an assault rifle or it would've been much worse. He had to pause and reload. Lives were saved that way.
A couple of friends and I were marveling over how many FB “friends” we seem to have lost since yesterday. I’m about to unfriend my own brother, who’s always been a dick-head anyway.
Yep. I find it funny that the MAGAats are always the ones doing the unfriending too. I guess my flaming fingertips are too hot for their little snowflake eyeballs.
I had to laugh at how I was lectured about how CK was all about "open discourse" and "free speech" and how my post, which was textbook "open discourse" and "free speech," was actually terrible and intolerant. These people are fucking nuts.
I posted yesterday on FB the meme w/ Charlie Kirk’s quote “I think it's worth it to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” My brother commented that it was taken ‘out of context.’ When I asked him what context was that?, he said he didn’t know, he’d only heard of CK yesterday. 🙄
FFS. A friend on my FB post replied to a "taken out of context" comment with, "Context doesn't turn homophobia into a Hallmark card."
Someone put that on goddamn billboard.
I heard he had palsied balls. Wait, Bell’s Palsy, that was it.
LOL
Excellent comment
😂😂
Personally until/unless we learn more, I'm honestly gonna go with dental work that required numbing.
Classic sign of a stroke
The hagiography going on regarding the latest martyr for the holy Second Amendment makes me puke. The flags at half-staff? Couchfuck escorting his body back to Arizona on Air Force Two? Give me a fucking break. This guy was nothing more than a Christofascist troll and a self-righteous sanctimonious tool. He has, though, become very valuable to the current regime: muting the call for the Epstein files and giving McGoebbels a convenient excuse to eliminate Democrats, and democracy, from America.
I wonder who they’ll blame for inflation, joblessness and rampant pedophilia when we’re gone?
He was more than a troll and a tool. He was a domestic terrorist.
Imho, it was a false flag operation. This was too easy for people who have zero experience with law enforcement procedures.
I believed that from the beginning. How did this doofus become a skilled assassin? Did he "confess" to his parents because he is having a breakdown? Whatever. The Magats have their suspect and that's all they care about. I'm sure they've got Jack Ruby on speed dial.
I read an explainer somewhere yesterday that said the skill required to have made this shot really isn’t military-level or all that special. Gonna see if I can refind it.
It wasn’t. Most average deer hunters could hit a tennis ball on a post at 200 yds. It’s not some miracle Lee Harvey Oswald shot. I could certainly do it and I’m no sniper.
yeah, first reports were Skilled Sniper/international Assassin, but quickly got downgraded to that-gun-basically-does-it-for-you/usual crazy kid
According to an ex FBI guy, that gun did not need much skill. He said that if you shot it a few times at a gun range then it would be easy. He also thinks the fool was aiming at the head and missed.
Ditto, the gun laws in Utah are totally insane, no one would think anything of seeing a guy with a rifle over his shoulder. Plus Trumps back off the Epstein side show, that Kirk ignored.
Coincidence theorists should be scouring the internet Sharon!
It was certainly effective to make all the discussion of Trump's handwriting disappear.
"did not match other summaries of the evidence’ is polite newsroom-speak for ‘it was a fucking lie.’” Man, thats the truth. No way will I believe a damned thing without checking it 20 times…
And Please….Ezra Klein can Fuck all the way off. JFC.
The felon had a stroke…I’d bet money on it. 🤞🤞
ANOTHER stroke.....ffs, he's a mess of a man.
I just wish that the Lord would call him home. And soon. Thank you, Jesus.
I'm a recovering Catholic goin' to church on Sunday for the first time in 50 years for my grandkids' baptism. I'll be sure to put in a good word for you and your request while I'm there, Arne. Amen.
I agree!
It's strange because his face clearly looked like a TIA or Bell's palsy, but the speech he gave at the event didn't sound any worse than his normal way of speaking.
Hope springs eternal
I recently read a comment which perfectly explained my feelings about Kirk’s killing. I don’t support the gun violence that killed him, but Charlie did. He stated that some gun deaths were permissible to protect the second amendment. I doubt he ever considered that he might be one of those deaths. As a person of faith, I find the efforts of the usual crazies to canonize this man to be especially repugnant.
I posted this yesterday:
I just found this brilliant analysis of Charlie Kirk's death in the comments section of a Raw Story article. Thank you to Sharman Galloway for posting it:
“Charlie Kirk has long argued that the epidemic of gun violence in America is the regrettable, but acceptable, price of liberty. In his words, the trade-off is a “prudent deal,” a “rational” sacrifice to preserve the Second Amendment and protect what he calls “God-given rights.” (He said these cruel and heartless words at a speaking event in April 2023 — I'm just the messenger.) When children are slaughtered in their classrooms, when congregants are gunned down in churches, when families are erased at grocery stores, Kirk’s response is not grief but calculus. The deaths are tragic, he says, but worth it. A necessary toll paid at freedom’s gate. “Thought and prayers.” And so, when he himself was shot at a speaking event in Utah, the hypocrisy was deafening. Here was a man who minimized other people’s agony, suddenly forced to taste the violence he once dismissed. This is what I mean by Second Amendment justice: not that the shooting should be celebrated, not that violence solves anything, but that the logic he defended has folded back on him like a tesseract. He declared that mass shootings were an unfortunate but tolerable part of liberty. Then he became a victim of the very “tolerable violence” he worked so hard to normalize. That is the lesson here, the harsh and unsentimental truth. You cannot unleash a culture of violence, bless it as liberty, and then feign shock when it arrives at your own doorstep. The Second Amendment, as interpreted by Kirk and his allies, does not discriminate. It devours indiscriminately. That is the justice of it. Not divine, not poetic — merely inevitable.” - Thaddeus Howze
Thanks for the additional info. When the shooting occured, I was concerned about my lack of empathy. I experienced clarity when I read this comment.
No, the Justice is very poetic with this one ☝️.
He sowed and now he has reaped.
Kirk considered "others" (whatever category they were) to be expendable; his inflated sense of self-importance clearly shielded him from realizing that his willingness to sacrifice lives to gun violence, in worship of the 2nd Amendment, meant he, too, was in the line of fire.
Jeff, Donald on FAUX this am, sitting on a white couch with no visible sig of a towel. Asking him about “bringing the country together “… “I really don’t care” Asked about right wing violence, once again he says “really don’t care about right wing violence, it’s the left wing criminal violence that we are concerned with”..💩💩💩 What more can you say? Best to All.. buckle up folks it’s going to get real choppy sooner than you think.
He doesn't care about anything other than getting his saggy orange mug on Fox. Oh and money, lots and lots of money.
Buckle up and power up, indeed. The powder keg moment in these Untied States is fully unleashed.
Considering that 1500 J6 convicts were released and ICE getting unbelievable funding , it points to a very unsettling time for our country.
I think the opposite. Most Americans are recoiling from the violence, overcompensating in my view but I think the violence will actually be lessened by this removal of one of the more effective voices pushing young men towards murder.
Problem is there is no end to these extremist, and some nutcase will fill his void.
There actually are only a finite number of them, and not many of them have Kirk's skillfulness.
Allison Gill has some excellent info on the shooter, and the bullet engraving story:
https://open.substack.com/pub/muellershewrote/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are?r=qvheo&utm_medium=ios
hope you're right (doubt it tho)
I think “most Americans” don’t have a fucking clue who Charlie Kirk was, nor do they even care.
Check out the recent statements by PedoFelonAssHat47, Robert. His words are stoking the flames of hatred as he attempts to incite a civil war.
The great American Empire is dying, as fast as our republic Dana!
In a response to a question this morning about political division in this country following Kirk’s death, trump stated “he couldn’t care less.” The host asked him what could be done to “fix this country.”
I just read this in The Guardian.
That’s the President of the United States not caring about anything other than himself and his sycophants.
He is the leading American terrorist at the moment and has been for some time. Despicable.
He doesn't care about his sycophants either. He just wants their money and loyalty.
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Interpreted the arrows to mean what again? I saw this and immediately thought, “These are the same geniuses who saw crown and soccer tattoos on immigrants and assumed they were Tren de Aragua gang members, then had them sent to CECOT.”
As commentator John Jackson noted, arrows printed on cartridges are quite common. “It’s actually a headstamp, every cartridge on earth has this. Some have arrows. It identifies the manufacturer. Idiots.” He provided examples. (The arrows are used to denote Canadian or UK government issue.)
The idea that keystone field agents from the ATF (F stands for ‘Firearms,’ let’s not forget) would see ammunition cartridges with arrow markings on them and immediately go, “Trans community!” is an indictment of the rot that has overtaken the minds of so many.
The Wall Street Journal later amended its reporting to note that the initial “bulletin may not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition.”
Yeah, the "Trans" markings on the casings are standard markings, based on the manufacturer and country of origin. So that's fucking bullshit.
But the word on the street is both the alleged shooters parents are republicans and the shooter is a follower of Nick Fuentes. THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED.
This came up in a series I was watching as well, it is called "The Good Fight" where there was some nefarious purpose attributed to the markings on bullets that was going to get someone convicted but instead it was just the standard markings on this type of bullet which the ballistics expert had to explain. Our government is not run by the best and the brightest is an understatement.
Yes, even the ammosexual maga cult members know they are standard markings.
Apparently, the markings were arrows (like "the bullet goes in this way"?) But never let reality interfere with good propaganda.
One casing was inscribed
‘Catch this, fascist’. Another said ‘ if you’re reading this you’re gay’.
Is there anything but Republicans in Utah? Maybe this young man is just confused or needs attention. Remember the guy who "confessed" that he murdered Jon Benet. He was in Europe at the time and got a free ride home. There was lots of coverage of him at the time, but nothing came of it. He was just a nutcase. We shall see.
Not just republicans in Utah. One of my favorite editorial cartoonists is Pat Bagley who recently retired from the Salt Lake City Tribune. I also went to high school with him! 😄 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Bagley
Good to know. Thanks.
Maybe not confirmed, but, for me, hopefully true.
It seems like it's moving in that direction, plus Fuentes and Kirk have been feuding over which one is more racist.
Fuentes might be shaking in his Nazi boots then?
No, because I'm sure he "never actually told anyone to kill Kirk." Or some such bullshit.
Yes, because some Charlie Kirk fans might be in revenge mode.
I'll bring the popcorn!! 🍿🍿🍿
Let it be so!
It's Utah. It's already assumed that the kid's family is GOP and Mormon unless we are told differently. Has Mike Lee opened his stupid mouth about any of this yet?
The press can only fail us because in the end they are on the same team as that vile propagandist.
beginning and middle too
I’ve been following live updates on the BBC. I skipped over what Kash Patel said. I have no reason to believe (1) he knows what he’s doing or (2) that he’s telling the truth.
Dems, start lining up the Church Commission 2.0. There’s a lot of cleaning up that needs to be done at the FBI.
Exactly when we turned it off too!
“Trump Admits ‘I Couldn’t Care Less’ When Pressed on ‘How Do We Fix This Country?’”
https://bsky.app/profile/realtuckfrumper.bsky.social/post/3lynd6qnbpo2y
Why does America accept this statement? Just distancing himself from his foreign policy ‘pals’?…He dozed off during
the 9-11 ceremonies!? GEEZus
I mean how did a country 🇺🇸 go from ‘EXCEPTIONAL’ to idk - ‘COULDN’T CARE LESS’(?) in 8 months. Good GRIEF :/
Also - wasn’t maga furious at Biden for being too soft on China? How’s tRumP doing?… just asking questions…
I had a stroke several years ago that took out most of the right hemisphere of my brain, and for a while afterwards the left side of my face drooped like that. My (not a doctor!) diagnosis for DJT is a severe left-hemisphere stroke. Jeezus, that's where language processing takes place, no wonder he talks like a befuddled fool. There's some serious health shit geing covered up here.
I hope it is also painful.
(snort)
I'm a nurse, not a doc, but a severe stroke from what I've seen would have paralyzed him totally/semi on some/all of his right side and we're not seeing that. A lesser stroke, yes, could have caused the facial droop. But the stupidity - that's a congenital defect with him.
Thanks for the better educated input, but just speaking from personal experience, my stroke, which was classified as major did not paralyze me, it just weakened the muscles on my left side and affected my balance. The road back involved a lot of P T and hard work, none of which DJT is getting.
Sorry that you had to experience that. I hope that you have recovered and are doing well. Strokes are scary things. The problem with Trump (and I'm being somewhat sarcastic) is that he acts/sounds so stupid to begin with that it's hard to tell what is a new impairment or him just being him. He does look awful recently though and makes less sense than ever. I think that dementia is at play here also. You know that they will hide/excuse this for as long as they can.