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Neal Stiffelman's avatar

They were so astoundingly, ill-prepared for competence, patriotism, and inspiration. Their anti-woman, anti-American rhetoric was shoved up their collective asses like a red, hot poker, eyes popping out, deranged as fuck. Ladies and Germs, your modern Republican party. Whup whup.

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Bill Lawrence's avatar

You'd think that the Republicans would have learned that you don't mess with Biden after being outplayed on social security and medicare during the last SOU!

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She Said It's avatar

I was waiting for the SS/Medicare moment last night and Joe delivered on the border legislation! "I thought that's what you guys wanted, no? Okay, let's work TOGETHER and get 'er done." Stupid fuckers didn't know what him them.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

He also bullied Republicans into denying they were planning another big tax cut to the wealthy, like he did last SOTU about cutting Medicare/ss. I wonder if they care enough about their word to stick with it. Doubt it.

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RV maxima's avatar

Well, there's that.

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Victoria Wilson's avatar

I guess it never dawned on them that their mean-spirited hate-filled no-platform wouldn’t set well on the national stage hanging out there like filthy, dirty laundry.It was a glorious sight to behold.Game on!

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RV maxima's avatar

The best description of the GOP!

Crazy candidate, crazy voting public, go figure. A wasted education on these turnips.

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meryl selig's avatar

Want education ???

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RV maxima's avatar

Any education is wasted on a closed mind.

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Sarah's avatar

Jeff referred to Britt as someone who was auditioning for Our Town! Perfect! I kept thinking while watching her sickening ‘speech’ that she sounded like a mean girl in high school who had taken some dumb acting classes and only knows how to overact while trying to bully people with a fake smile and a ‘stern’ face. What a joke!

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Cathy McCarthy's avatar

She was a typecast right out of the Handmaid’s tale. And her kitchen could have been right out of the series too.

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Deb's avatar

I wonder if that was the first time Britt read that little speech. She kept smiling at the wrong times 😁! Up until last night, I had thought Bobby Jindal was the worst, but I'm reevaluating!

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Robert R's avatar

I wonder what her kids thought of their Mommy’s take on a genuine Patriotic speech ! Shame on you ! Bama mama !

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counterlife's avatar

Pretty sure that "kitchen" was right out of a green screen.

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Sooz Hall's avatar

That’s what I thought. Screaming two dimensional, and the muted greenish yellow. Ghastly.

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Eva Porter's avatar

Nah, Serena Joy had a WAY better kitchen! Hers had no personality, mostly like her.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

If she had wore that dusty shade of teal, she could have been Serena giving instructions to the newest handmaiden to be assigned, Offred

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

*had worn

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Susan Kemp's avatar

Not only was she over acting in a crazy melodramatic way, the hypocrisy of a woman who is a US Senator married to a retired NFL player with a net worth of $1-6M crying about American families hurting is astounding.

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Sarah's avatar

Standard GOP hypocrisy.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

That was absolutely horrible

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Cynthia Turner's avatar

She was creepy. Almost as real as AI.

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Kathleen Hoiseth's avatar

Sarah! That is exactly what I said last night while watching her. Also - how many times did she rehearse that speech? It was like she was auditioning for her mean girl high school drama club. Good flipping grief!!!

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Cathy McCarthy's avatar

I expected her to end her rebuttal with “under his eye” where his was 🍊💩. If she had worn a blue dress and her daughter had worn a pink scarf the would have completed the kitchen set strap out of the Handmaid’s Tale television series.

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Lisa59's avatar

She sounded like a shaming Sunday school teacher. Gee, even Charlie Kirk thought she was reading a bed time story. 🤭

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Charlie "Diaper fetish boy" Kirk. I can never look at his shrinking face and think of how he fooled the Kent state chapter, into acting out his fantasy of wearing diapers in public.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/charlie-kirk-who-owns-the-libs-with-diaper-protests-will-speak-at-university-of-central-florida-10574477

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Lisa59's avatar

Some day we will read about him getting busted in the no-tell-motel with a trans prostitute smoking crack. It's in his future. It happens to every single one them.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I bet you are right! Somewhere online is a list that has all the anti-gay republicans busted for doing what they preached against. I use to have it bookmarked but lost it when my computer crashed. There were well over a hundred, with most being small local politicians, or local prominants in the republican party.

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RV maxima's avatar

Thanks for the background!

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

That’s what I kept yelling at her when she was talking. “It’s your candidate who has done all those things, not Joe!”

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Judie Brophy's avatar

In fact, the horrible emotionally charged and gut-wrenching event she insisted on describing in painful detail , to me and many others I’m sure, was something that happened under George W. Bush. It had no current purpose, except maybe to mislead (aka lie) listeners to believe it happened under Biden. That was no accident of misunderstanding, as she claims. She claims it should have been clear that it happened so long ago because she told us it happened to an adult associate of hers when she was 12. Did anybody else notice and do the math? She never said it had relevance today. Then, why include it in a rebuttal to Biden’s SOTU moments previous? And if it’s an outdated story, it is also irrelevant. Nobody is fooled. Either way, she was being deceitful. She can blame it on misunderstanding, but it was very obvious. That makes it even more offensive.

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

The GOP lies, all of them.

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Tess's avatar

Biden was exceptional-and needs to keep it up! Little Mikey Johnson didn’t know if he should clap or shake his head or slump further into his chair! It looked like half the time he agreed with Biden! Large Marge should have been escorted OUT the minute she opened her mouth. Yuk. And Katie Britt-oh my God——that was a helluva decision to put her in the spotlight (thanks! haha). No more Sleepy Joe!!!! yayayayayayayayayaay

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Merc's avatar

I agree. When are we gonna have rules that eject congressional hecklers? She is the face of the MAGA TRASH GQP - VOTE THEM ALL OUT

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RV maxima's avatar

The people that eat this up are all gaga with the display while the actual destruction of the government, the institutions and their rights are diminished. GOP sleigh of hand, morons.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

Rules have to be enforced and it takes leadership for that to happen. Mike Johnson has that job. He just chooses not to do it. And the people who support his leadership are irresponsible and selfish children who don’t care and just do as their told. Certainly we can overcome such a weak simulation of American government.

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Carrie Duncan's avatar

MTG should never have been allowed in wearing campaign insignia. She broke the House rules.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

Nobody takes control when necessary. Since it was the rule of the congressional chamber to banish campaign paraphernalia, it should probably have been Mike Johnson who approached her ahead of time and enforced the rule.

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Charlotte Thompson's avatar

He is probably afraid of her.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Absolutely he should have asked her to remove all that crap or else leave!

But you are correct, he is terrified of Marge, she has him by the balls; if he actually has any.

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Sooz Hall's avatar

Or Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny or… any one of number of mythical beings with spines, like Repugnants.

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🌷IntheHalloftheMtnKing's avatar

This is always the problem.

They break the rules and never ask for forgiveness.

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Dana's avatar

Rumor has it that the weasel SoH is supposed to remove them if they are out of line but we know he is afraid of “empty green”!

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Rick Calegari's avatar

As soon as Alabama's other far right senator came on, the TV went off. After that amazing SOTU, my wife and I couldn't handle watching her rebuttal and the huge load of GOP horseshit that would be tossed like the former guy's endless lies. Can't wait for the first debate since Biden will no doubt rip him a new one.

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counterlife's avatar

It was worth watching just for the over the top weirdness of that strange creature standing in her green screen kitchen.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

I normally don’t watch the rebuttal, & didn’t intend to watch her, but 30 seconds in & I was transfixed; kind of like watching a slo-mo car crash.

It was so ghastly that I couldn’t look away. Then I discovered Jeff’s live stream commentary & then stumbled across Jessica Valenti’s live stream too

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Judie Brophy's avatar

It was hardly a response speech. It sounded so generic it didn’t matter which party she was talking about. Nothing in that speech was in response to something Joe Biden said. Almost as if the response was written before they even read the speech. And no way would they have expected that they would be following such a dynamic speech. The audience was primed with positivity; her doom and gloom description of our country was such a let down. It lacked credibility. Not to mention how it disrupted my positive evening with a detailed horrendous description of that mattress room and the horrible crime committed there. I did not need that assault on my emotions. I’m an empath, a little more sensitive than some people, but I won’t forgive her for forcing me to emotionally experience that. But that sensationalism was intended to appeal to everyone’s emotions. Cheap trick, really.

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RV maxima's avatar

Well, yeah. Of course it was written and canned before Biden spoke. That is something that has been growing for many State of the Union rebuttals. There miles apart now, no longer even a rebuttals but just BS.

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Rick Calegari's avatar

The GOP under Trump is one big cheap trick and more. It's nothing but lies, deceit, endless BS with the usual smoke and mirrors.

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🌷IntheHalloftheMtnKing's avatar

Exactly. Definite lackluster rebuttal- I turned it off.

The only thing it seems to me she was crying about were her own personal grievances that she can't keep up with the Joneses & she's not rich enough.

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SeekingReason's avatar

Rick, I immediately tuned in after SOTU to Keith Olbermann. It is irrelevant to me what Fascist/Seditionist Supporters have to say about anything.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

No, I think it’s important to stay informed. You’d be amazed to learn some of the odd comments and beliefs. My mother taught me “better the devil you know than the devil you don’t.”

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SeekingReason's avatar

Not in this case. These people aren’t even able to figure out fact from fiction. They are supporting a criminal of the worst kind. Their rebuttal is irrelevant. Journalists can track them. I wouldn’t dare waste my time.

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She Said It's avatar

I noticed at the beginning Mikey looked as if he was in agreement, but "someone" (Gaetz) must have given him the nod to knock it off and start looking petulant and scornful, like a proper Repug speaker.

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OBS's avatar

As soon as he did his first nod, my husband and I looked at each other and said.. Well, his career is over!

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Lisa59's avatar

That was fun to watch. Milk Toast Mike knows he was right. He did a great impression of a bobble-head. I was thinking about Nancy Pelosi standing behind Agent Orange giving him the obnoxious golf clap. And tearing up his speech. That was priceless!

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Lisa K. Obrien's avatar

I use that exact clap at every opportunity for maximum impact. It says so much.

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Chris Hierholzer's avatar

Hahaha yep!

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Sharon Horton's avatar

He was under surveillance from TFG, as all the Rs were.

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Sooz Hall's avatar

Or a teen who’s just been grounded.

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Sooz Hall's avatar

This was for She said it, sorry

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Cassandra Here's avatar

No, the minute she appeared at the chamber door in regalia. Trump Trash.

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Carrie Duncan's avatar

I notice NOW! Went right past me; thank you for this little nugget of delight in a night full of them!

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Judie Brophy's avatar

He didn’t wait to be introduced the second time, as is traditional and serves as another applause opportunity. He said “ef”;that and immediately owned the room.

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S Barrrett's avatar

Georgia is responsible for MTG...just saying.

Biden had me cheering from my couch last night.

I am SO GLAD that I'm on the right side of history.

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Merc's avatar

MAGA TRASH GREENE is the Representative from Deliverance

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Lisa59's avatar

Looking at her reminds me of a horrible yeast infection.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Or a Denisovan cave-woman, I think it is the roided brow ridge.

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Charlie Austin's avatar

😂😂😂

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Marge does have the facial features of a Neanderthal

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I'm saying! I can't unsee it, it is the caveman brow. (I lived with a bodybuilder long ago, so I know the tell-tale signs).

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Lisa59's avatar

Hahaha!!!

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Anti fascist's avatar

Or bacterial vaginitis. Lol

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Anti fascist's avatar

I think Ginny Thomas has that affliction 😂

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Susan Niemann's avatar

Lol!!!!

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antlisa1201's avatar

Lol

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antlisa1201's avatar

I was cheering too!!! And crying! Not uncontrollably sobbing but I got all sentimental and teary-eyed. FDR, WWII, USA won’t walk away!!! Before he started I prayed “please please please God don’t give them anything to make fun of! Let him be amazing!” My prayer was answered “Sure, done and done!” Thanks God!

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Diana Hembree's avatar

Most definitely, "S" :)

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Diana Hembree's avatar

Yes, I made the same correction, "S" :)

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Diana Hembree's avatar

Woops, I put this in the wrong place, sorry. Starting over.

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Michelle Vancura's avatar

Do you really think Trump will debate Biden?? I seriously doubt his campaign will encourage that, considering what a cluster f**k he creates every time he gives a speech. Biden will win any debate hands down and make Trump look even more pathetic than he already is. But it sure would be enjoyable to watch!

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Ellis Weiner's avatar

I don't think Trump will agree to debate Biden. Remember, it's only March. There are six months to go before October. Six months of additional Trump deterioration, financial pressures, court pressures, etc. So THAT'll be fun. It'll also be fun to see what Melania does by then.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Well she renegotiated her prenup, for the third, or is it the fourth time, so she probably will only show up at the end of the campaign like when she stayed in NY without him last time.

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Merc's avatar

Looking at Trump‘s typical rallies, which are a bunch of word, salads and free Association that contain zero Facs and a lot of repeated lies, it would be in really interesting contrast. The number one rule would have to be that there would be a Killswitch on Trump‘s mic, when Biden is talking. Otherwise, he’ll just interrupt and spew more lies.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

I hope the need for that kill switch is as self-evident to the organizers as it is to Biden Supporters. Biden should insist on that. Of course there will be claims the they cut him off when they didn’t like what he was saying, not the fact that he was speaking out of turn. I’m past caring if he approves in most cases.

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steve robertshaw's avatar

Yeah, at this point (8 years in) who gives a sh*t what Hannity or some other Fox Noise mouthpiece rants about in response. It seems clear to me that any person who watches Fox or regularly "follows" some rightwing podcaster or twittler or you tube personality is already a lost cause, and the Hannity's of this world are just preaching to the choir. They developed their audience, its reach isn't expanding even though it's large. There are far more people out there that don't pay the slightest bit of attention to these online or cable ranters. Same goes for ubiquitous rightwing talk radio. The daily listeners are the same people that sought those stations out many years ago, their audience is not expanding.

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CreakyKnees's avatar

In most of the previous debates, across the board, the moderators failed to enforce the rules that were agreed upon. If Biden agrees to debate. and they don't kill Trump's mic when talking out of turn, Biden walks off refusing to dignify the rantings of a clown.

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Chris Hierholzer's avatar

Short commercials of Taylor Smiths new album would be nice when Trump goes all gibberish.....

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

Nope, he’s chicken shit and doesn’t have the balls to get on stage next to President Obama 🤭oops, I mean Biden! 😂

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Anti fascist's avatar

There is no way in hell trump will debate Dark Brandon. The orange shit gibbon is too far gone with dementia.

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Betsy's avatar

Lordy I hope so.

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Judie Brophy's avatar

I want to see that.

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

Just look at all the clips of his ‘gaffes’ on social media.

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

idk if I want them to debate, not unless the monitors have the ability to shut his mic off if he starts that shit of just shouting & bulldozing over Biden like a damned bully. That debate was horrible

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Mary Duffy O'Mara's avatar

Trump would “debate” Biden like last time. He’ll just yammer and scream over anything President Biden has to say and the moderator won’t cut the mic, and the cult will love it.

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Michelle Vancura's avatar

Yes, more than likely, unfortunately.

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Carol's avatar

I was so hoping Dark Brandon was really going to shine, and boy, did he! And honestly, does Sporkfoot know how to do anything but make a complete ass of herself?

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Chet Brandt's avatar

No— she’s a fucking moron.

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Charlotte Thompson's avatar

That's her specialty.

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Charlie Austin's avatar

Dumber than a post.

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Becky Gibson's avatar

I missed the SOTU last night due to an early work bedtime, but when I saw the outtakes this morning, I just have two words for Joe: SO PROUD. No, three: SO FUCKING PROUD. He was nothing short of amazing, and I was so glad to see Dark Brandon on that podium! You tell ‘em, Joe!

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Caroline's avatar

Britt, that was some weird shit.

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Susan Kemp's avatar

This was evidently Britt’s “try out” for VP. Somehow, I don’t think she’ll get a call back, but I could be wrong.

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Stephanie Lajeskie's avatar

Dark Brandon was a fucking rock star! And I don’t know who Katie Britt’s acting coach is, but he or she should be fired immediately. I kept waiting for her to end her remarks with, “For less than a dollar a day, a starving child in Africa can get the nutrition he do desperately needs…” oh what the hell am I thinking? That handmaid doesn’t give two shits about otter people’s children in Africa. Or here for that matter!

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Mary's avatar

Not the starving children, it’s the puppies dear.

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Burke's avatar

Two old guys.

A 50+ year honorable public servant who wakes up every day and asks, "How can I help people?"

The other guy is a convicted rapist and business fraud who wakes up every day and asks, "How can I steal from people and get away with it?" (This guy conned 147 Objectors to give him their sacred honor.)

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Merc's avatar

So true

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MK-RideOn's avatar

Saw a post on Reddit describing Marge three toes as Retromingent. Retromingent (plural retromingents) (obsolete) An animal that urinates backwards, such as the camel, hippo or raccoon. Feel free to use it.

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Sköll's avatar

Learned a new word today: hor·rip·i·la·tion

the erection of hairs on the skin due to cold, fear, or excitement.

"a horripilation of dread tingled down the MAGAT spines when Biden approached the podium"

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Merc's avatar

That is Comedy Gold

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

😂😂😂

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Juli's avatar

Thank you. 😊

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Darrell Smith's avatar

Mention Bobby Jindall in Louisiana and they change the subject ASAP. Democrats eat the babies they abort? Republicans eat each other.

Joe knocked it out of the park. The right speech at the right time. All of us fans knew what he was going to talk about. But the emotion and force of his speaking made us proud and reaffirmed that he was wholly committed to Democracy.

I will be 81 in 2032. I hope to still be working on stuff, riding my Harley, and standing my ground with as much intent and dedication as Joe showed last night.

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Sköll's avatar

Agree but 81 on a Harley is a bit much, lol. These are machines that require stout legs. I would go for the 3 wheeler.

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Tess's avatar

Sounds like you’re gonna make it! 😊

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Patris's avatar

Fleisher, a notorious ass, Hannity? Another dogboy for Trump? I expect nothing better.

What disturbed me more after the speech was Stephen Colbert joking that Biden’s lunch had stimulants grated onto his Italian lunch instead of cheese. Why keep taking cheap shots Stephen? You can do way better than that. Especially with so much on the line. And I have to believe you know it. This isn’t 2016 anymore or even 2020.

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the real pambo's avatar

Agreed, I was disappointed with Colbert too! Not nearly as disappointed as I have been with Jon Stewart since he came back to the desk. I’ve tried watching him the last couple of shows, but I continue to cringe at his tired attempts to make jokes.

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Patris's avatar

Maybe they are too far from the effects of what Trump and his band of jackasses can do for the rest of us / maybe because as men they don’t feel the threat of removing the rights of women to self determination, who knows, but it can be dangerous to ourselves, our collective daughters and granddaughters - to see them apparently choose to play with this situation. For women this is a life or death issue

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Margaret's avatar

YES!!! And fuck anybody who thinks it's funny.

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the real pambo's avatar

AMEN!

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Patris, I think Colbert knows how dire the situation is for everyone. After all, if Trump wins, you can be sure he will take revenge on all the comics who have made fun of him. We know how much he hates being the butt of jokes. He has specifically ranted against Colbert & Kimmel on his failed SM site.

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Patris's avatar

I believe he does, too. And you’re absolutely right about the Orange jackass taking revenge.

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

I agree. Stephen needs to get on board with the reality that knocking him down for any reason is not cool. He obviously had his monologue written before the SOTU. Come on Stephen, enough of that shit! .You’ll be there one day too!

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Sköll's avatar

I took it that Colbert was being sarcastic. He really was fucking damn proud that Biden wiped the floor with the MAGAts in the House.

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Patris's avatar

I think he was. Perhaps as a mother and grandmother of women I take this too much to heart. There’s a lifetime of experience behind me and I know too much how many ways women and girls can lose their lives if not allowed to make choices.

My sense of humor trends snarky and sharp but right now I find it painful to hear people I truly think are brilliant and have a broad audience implying that there is any reason to question the stark reality of where we are.

When one party promotes racism, misogyny, absence of justice and deprivation, I want it to be made clear.

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

Absolutely how I feel. This isn't funny.

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Lisa K. Obrien's avatar

100%. The preposterous notion that my granddaughter will have less rights than I did as a young woman is both heartbreaking and infuriating. No joking matter.

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steve robertshaw's avatar

If you're trying to win the votes of the intelligent portion of the citizenry, you have to assume they have a sense of humor and the ability to even laugh at themselves occasionally. Biden knows this. People need to realize their fellow voters also have some intelligence and recognize when something is said lightly. It's the Republican voters that are generally too dumb to discern a joke or recognize when something was simply made up out of thin air, hence the ratings of Fox Noise.

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Sköll's avatar

That pretty much explains the dumb looks I get from MAGAts when I make a joke :D

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Joanne Beck's avatar

When Biden kept saying "MEANWHILE" I thought of Colbert....remember he is a comedian first! Not a newsperson....you cannot listen to Colbert and be serious! Take everything he says with a grain of salt (unless he's making fun of the orange douchebag)

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Patris's avatar

I do. But things have gotten too serious for me - especially when I watch little ones getting out of school at the end of their day.

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Mark L's avatar

That did not set well with me either.

Sleepy Joe for four years now, and he sticks it to them.

I have replied on other articles, if Biden leads or wins, their whole raison d'être is dead.

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Ema's avatar

I didn't see it but Colbert's show is, I believe, filmed about 4:00 PM so the SOTU hadn't even occurred yet. Maybe tonight he'll have some thoughts about it. He's usually 100% anit-trump and pro-Biden.

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Patris's avatar

Could be that I might be speaking to him as the mom I am? He’s very important and typically has both my attention and respect. To say I’m fond of him is an understatement.

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Sooz Hall's avatar

It was taped after

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

I look at it like this, Stephen knows dang well that Fox & all the maga morons would be saying that, or something similar, so better to be beaten to the punch by someone we know loves Biden & hates Trump.

Biden & we Dems can take a little ribbing from the friendly side.

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Patris's avatar

There’s no chance I don’t love the man.

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EFS's avatar

How...refreshing to hear Republicans whining about partisanship. Could they be any less self-aware?

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Ellis Weiner's avatar

It's not lack of self-awareness. It's not like they mean well. They know full well that they're liars and hypocrites. What other kind of person joins the Republican Party?

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Sköll's avatar

That is true. The MAGAts could not even get to the first level of Maslow's Level of Self Actualization. Not even Trump could. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

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P. J. Schuster's avatar

Aahh Sköll, I remember Maslow’s scale from when I was in nursing school back in 1974.

Thanks for the memories 😉

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Liz's avatar

Self awareness is a liberal hoax!

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EFS's avatar

Ah, that's why they're so bad at it...

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Mark L's avatar

Thanks Jeff

Happy Friday

I guess the Old Man Has STILL has His Shit Together.

Unlike someone else we know.

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Elaine the Mean Old Feminist's avatar

I loved watching the Repukes get torn a new one last night.

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Merc's avatar

They wouldn’t even Clapp for removing lead from water. I guess they need young children to get lead into their brains, in order to have future voters.

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Joanne Filipo's avatar

😂

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Christine Adams's avatar

MTG is from Georgia. But they are all psycho neighbors.

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Monica's avatar

I was going to say this, but I was going to refer to her by her true nickname: Sporkfoot.

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Jeff Tiedrich's avatar

aaaah fuck I hate it when someone on the internet is wrong and it's me

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Susan Keefer's avatar

Who cares where she’s from. One of the best scenes last night was when President Biden mocked MTG to her face with his surprised look when he saw her. 😂

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Monica's avatar

Eh. Shit happens. You probably just need a cup of coffee.

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Linda Fulcher's avatar

Easy mistake to make. Alabama and Georgia are both shitholes.

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Tess's avatar

Well you can’t be right ALL the time!!! lol

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Sköll's avatar

Doesn't matter. On the Internet, all that matters is making the Best Internet Post Of The Day :D

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Sharon C Storm's avatar

It’s ok Jeff, we all love you anyway! 💕

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Monica's avatar

Absolutely.

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Merc's avatar

It looks like her voter base is comprised of the children of sibling, parents, and others missing a few chromosomes

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OBS's avatar

Sporky is actually from hell. Alabama = hell. So by association, Jeff is actually correct. 😄

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