apparently, Kilmeade has apologized. I don't care. if Mathew Dowd can be fired for stating the obvious, Kilmeade can be fired for being a piece of shit.
I’m pretty pissed off at MSNBC right now. Charlie Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. Nor should he be canonized. If the media keeps caving in to these fascists who think free speech is only for them, then we’re fucked. Actually, I guess that ship has already sailed.
Don’t give up on Lawrence O’Donnell. He calls out trump as being the stupidest person our country has ever seen. The Convict watches his show and can’t stand Lawrence mainly because he was at his trials in NYC.
He is a consummate professional. He can cut out your liver from up your asshole, while smiling. Then, as he feeds it to the crows, you will thank him for his polite attention to this matter. There's nobody else like him.
I'm still such a huge Rachel, Lawrence O'Donnell and Nicolle Wallace fan - I'm trying to tune in for them, at least. There was a 'newer' Producer (director?) hired some months ago afaik who was decidedly more frump-oriented as the information came out about the round of firings of some of MY favourite people there he didn't approve of: Joy Reid included (who just posted a fantastic lengthy Instagram showing Kirk's MANY vile racist & misogynistic video clips, AND she was one of the first to identify the shooter as a groyper (Nick Fuentes' fan). Along the same lines, I watched another explanatory instagram from a young man explaining what it's all about: the feud between Fuentes and Kirk. Very informative. I didn't get his name before my battery ran down and I'm decidedly NOT good at finding things already seen. IF MSNBC loses support, then frump 'wins' again since that was his stated aim so I'm torn. I love specific people but can't stand good analysts being fired for stating mild truths. Matthew Dowd did NOT say anything gratuitous or unacceptable. He was very careful yet HIS voice was 'cancelled'. It's sickening. Joy's video shows just HOW hateful Kirk was. I'm still appalled by HIS rhetoric while they're trying to give him a State funeral and holding him up as a 'martyr' and 'civil rights leader'. It's fucking insane.
Nicole Wallace lost me after the Biden--trump debate. Her white face, clutching her pearls, her clenched teeth. She kept saying people were texting her, till finally I said, no bitch. President Biden was sick, he said he was sick. My dad has a stutter. I know how he is when he's sick, on medication. His stutter, his eyes. Looking at President Biden was like watching my dad on stage! My dad is 88 now. I wrote an email to MSNBC, and never watched them again. Where was their outrage at trump gish galloping? There was none. Awhile ago, I decided to record Lawrence O'Donnell, and only Lawrence. trump is already winning, by all these networks bending to whatever he wants. I'm not watching MSNBC only to get back at trump. My morals say otherwise. I'm waiting for the weather on local news. There was a clip on the assinatition, no, Kirk was shot. Then she says double assinatition attempts on trump. No, Corey Comperatore was shot. Why are they so terrified of telling the truth? There was no 2nd, the man never shot his gun. Just tell the truth, you always remember the truth.
I've said this before, I'll repeat it here.
I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk.
MSNBC played full speeches of T during his first campaign - while Chris Hayes was trying to have a show and all that season. WTF? MSM is MSM. Rehire Dowd and maybe I’ll tune in again. Reid is actually better on her own.
I never did. I am not a tv news person, so I miss a lot of this crap and get to read hateful words, or skip them because I mostly consume my information by reading.
I stopped watching all TV/Cable news in 2015 during the 24/7 🤡 show, when they gave him a platform any time he chose, including calling in. I read like you. That way I have control of what information I take in.
Kathy, Yes. I like controlling what I take in. There is no point in learning how to skim and then not using it. My daughter skims through videos by speeding them up. Luckily she does not do that for her classes.
I don’t listen to podcasts for the same reason: info coming from a voice doesn’t lodge the same way it does when I read it. Also, I can’t take the chance that there will be a clip of Stephen Miller’s squeal.
I read things like DW and Euro News which often have videos embedded in their articles. I view some but not all. Mostly the text better say enough without the videos.
bruh, I haven't watched MSNBC since 2022....they have gone insane.
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell are OK, but not enough for me to subscribe to cable again.... actually O'Donnell was unwatchable the day of the Kirk shooting. So I read. It was as if he was under duress by Comcast mafia.
No he was not. Have you ever thought about how he himself has been doxxed by Trump’s thugs? Many times, because he has called the Convict out publicly every chance he gets.
Nosferatu should watch what he says if he actually thinks he would survive very long in the environment he wants to create. There are thousands+ veterans who would line up to be able to be the one to take the shot that ended that miserable motherfucker!
CK shouldn't have been shot and didn't deserve to be shot. But the society is better off without his hateful influence and I am absolutely not sorry that voice is gone. I wish he had been given the time to mature spiritually and see his own dissonance but maybe next lifetime he'll do better.
He did deseve to be shot. And his shooter deserves to be either locked up for life or executed, I don't care which just so he is removed from society. We have been granted a twofer, one major and one minor domestic terrorist taken out.
Yesterday I let one tiny one crawl onto my hand from my car and let him climb off onto a bush because I was headed for I-95 and didn’t think he wanted to be along for that trip!
I don’t like to hurt any creature at this late stage of life. But I will have no compunction whatsoever to unload on any gun toting MAGAT who decides to start shit. None
Sure, until a brown recluse bites your three year old and you spend time in the hospital.
Or, until non-native Joro spiders invade your state and decimate your insect population which in turn kills off your native butterfly, moth, bird, bat, frog, lizard population. Everything has consequences.
I'm not violent either. But if insects/spiders could all get together and work it out, humans, the world over, wouldn't last the night, and it would be ugly and painful.
They can live outside happily, but not in my house or ON my house. I love my bats, butterflies, lizards, birds and frogs.
That is true. My husband was bitten by a brown recluse. You should see the scar on his leg (30 years later.) You are so correct. Everything does have consequences. Be aware!
Don't speak truth? I think it is crucial to do so when people are being intimidated into keeping silent. He was an advocate of murder whose elimination is a good thing.
In a vague sort of abstract way, I regret someone was shot to death. But, thanks to people like Kirk, I find myself not actually caring about him--or his family. Kirk believed that families attending a 4th of July parade, or 1st graders learning their ABC's, or children attending Mass, etc., etc., were all acceptable deaths; he believed in Replacement Theory; he opined that gay people should be put to death; he seemed quite sure that his God had a considerable list of hated people.....and on and on.....
In the wake of his death, his ilk--including the bastard occupying the White House--are increasing their hate speech, reaching whole new levels; they've seized this opportunity to lay it all on the "radical left" and transgender people, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Short version: don't miss him, don't care, and I'm making chili for dinner and a pan of shortbread for dessert.
How would you suggest we, as a society, rid ourselves of speech that promotes, encourages, incites and indoctrinates our youth toward violence? Say "please"?
Humans have always been and will always be violent. Not all of us, no, but too many. Men go to war because they like it, or they wouldn't do it. Won't change.
But on an individual level, when you promote hate, you get hate. When you state that dead school children (by white guys) and dead African American churchgoers AT CHURCH (murdered by a white guy) are just an unfortunate byproduct of a healthy 2nd Amendment, you become a target. When you quote from the Bible that gays should be stoned to death, you get a lot of angry people.
But INTERESTINGLY, even with THAT the gays aren't the ones who shot him! Kirk's offense, it seems, is that he didn't hate ENOUGH to suit a 22 year old white kid who had been raised by good ol' Ma and Pa America, and groomed his entire life to revere rifles.
That said, Martin Luther King, Jr. promoted nothing but peace, equality, harmony and honoring each other as people and he was assassinated. For hate speech? Nope. For peace speech. YEP! By a gay? Nope. By a right wing racist.
Kirk was 31, married with a kid and was making a boatload of cash from promoting pure, evil hatred. How much time did he need to mature? 10, 20, 30 more years? Do you honestly think God didn't have this planned for him?
I think that in the fairly recent past, many, many average men reluctantly went to war because they were ordered to, and they didn’t know how to get out of it (thinking WWI, WWII, especially Korea and Vietnam). Others were fooled by the hype; some went in the name of an overarching cause. IMO, the ones who eagerly charge off are in the minority.
Much farther back, men went to war because they owed a duty to a liege lord, their city, or other entity.
I don't think they were all that eager to risk their lives.
Now, the men who START wars are another story entirely.
You raise a lot of excellent questions and I don't have good answers. We are dealing in that perplexing shoreline where the tides of idealism meet the beach of the practical and it's stymied far better minds than mine. As for God's plans for Charlie or me, I have not an inkling. God may well be on vacation in this era.
I never met my Grandfather or two Great Uncles because they died in plane crashes in WWII when my mother was about eight. I'm glad your father survived. My father never went into the service - never had to. My husband enlisted but never saw combat, thank everything.
I knew a few young men way back during the Vietnam war who came home never to be the same, hearts and psyches destroyed. I don't believe it's the average man on the street that craves the violence, I believe it's the governments that crave land, resources, taxes, populations, power...
But I believe our culture idolizes the soldier, the veteran, the dead, and that makes it "attractive" for lack of a better word at the moment for young men. They're told they're going for "glory", and as your Dad can attest, it is anything but. They find out too late. It's why they take them so young.
Yes. My belief is that (assuming reincarnation is what happens,) some never make it back to a human body. But no one really knows. I think we would all like to believe that the arc of the universe is bent towards justice, but again, no one really knows. People like Trump may come back to richer and more powerful and just as evil as they were before 🙁🙁🙁
It's possible. The spirituality that supports my every breath now is very different than the one I had fifty years ago. It is far gentler and less smugly self assured than CKs seemed to appear.
I appreciate the Chicago Sun Times, which accurately reported that Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson did not want Trump's Feds coming to Chicago. They also interviewed people in the highest crime area of Chicago, after Trump claimed some "Black woman" asked him to come and help us, and no one said they wanted ICE or the National Guard, although they said they would like crime to be better, but not with those methods. So, while they did not say he was lying directly, they set up a scenario where would could easily envision that his words were made up.
It appears that the Orange Felon may have turned his eyes away from Chicago and is going for an easier target. Bravo to Governor Pritzker for his resistance. Every bit of resistance is useful.
Yes. Somehow Trump seemed to think that repeatedly inviting Pritzker to invite him to send troops to Chicago would work. However, Pritzker was on to him and responded to each invitation with a resounding "NO!" We do not want you here. If you want to help restore funds for programs that work on crime.
Trump knew without Pritzker's invitation sending National Guard would be illegal. So, he turned to Tennessee where the governor invited him to come. That is the Blue State-Red State difference.
Pritzker stated fairly unequivocally (I paraphrase) that if Trump came to his state and harmed on Illinoian, there would be hell to pay. Turns out Trump is that pussy he so loves to grab.
Getting so much heat for not going to more violent cities, he decided Memphis would be a good choice. Red, violent, murderous...but even now Memphis is sorta, kinda sayin' "Well, um, sure but, um, only help with crime enforcement, um you know?" They're getting a bit queasy I think.
I'm unsure of where it happened, but right now an AMERICAN citizen AND Iraq veteran is SUING ice/whatever group scooped him up after he showed up to his job as SECURITY. He noticed there were vehicles around but tried to go ahead, assuming he'd still be required for his shift. They surrounded his vehicle, yelled entirely conflicting 'messages', shattered his window, dragging him from the vehicle. He was thrown to the ground with one 'agent' kneeling on his back and another on his neck (not for anything, but IF that happened to me I'd be dead with my existing cervical disk problems). He was then tossed into a cell with NO explanation despite telling them that he was a fucking AMERICAN CITIZEN whose ID was in his vehicle! They kept him for 3 days/nights with no phone call, NO contact with anyone, no charges, no explanation. I believe his name is Retes? Lawyers have taken on his suit now but he's badly shaken by the experience of course. and they have their system of postponing any such hearing for at least 6 months. THIS is lawlessness AND naziism becoming full-throated. And Tennessee 'invited this'?
Perhaps that's because ice murdered someone in the Chicago suburbs, then lied about it. Since when does ice make traffic stops, and when the person doesn't stop, shoot them to death?
I think I read Tennessee and Memphis do not want the national guard there and that they never asked for it....another fantasy on the part of the orange menace
Teri, In the article I have linked it sounds like the governor is "working with" Trump but not necessarily like he invited them. The Democratic mayors either don't want him or are cautious about wanting him.
Trump sent the National Guard and the marines into Los Angeles without a request from the Governor. Totally illegal, but Trump doesn’t give a shit. He does whatever the f*ck he wants because he thinks a President is the same as a dictator.
Yes shee-rah, but now the court has told Trump that was illegal, and gives him until mid October to appeal it to SCOTUS. Let us hope they say no. If they say yes, I am going to continue to be all out supporting the Blue State Soft Secession. I am going to be fighting for States rights as if I lived in Texas.
Im sure Gov Abbott , (TX) will invite the felon dictator to invade the blue city that he really hates,.. #1 San Antonio. then Houston. and then all cities in the Rio Grande Valley, I hope not.
Yes Debra. for crowd control they use snow plows and garbage trucks. My friend calls them "Urban Tanks!" I think we all know who needed to be controlled in Chicago, and it was not the crowds.
We need him in Illinois. The only people I see running to fill his place are people like Rahm Emanuel, who is like a Republican in Democrats clothing because it is much cooler to be a Dem in Chicago than a Rep.
That is good to know. We should make a list of the local papers that are good and put it out there in the Democratic sphere, but keep it from the Republicans, by not making a big deal of it. People should know that there are good sources for local news.
Meet the Press and This Week kept that canonization going, not a word about Kirk being hateful or that his alleged assassin is ultra right white nationalist.
The only person This Week allows to ever say offensive shit is Reince and Repeat Priebus.
I just got done watching today's (9/14) "This Week" on ABC with Martha Raddatz, and Utah Gov. Cox repeatedly said it was radical left-wing idealogy as stated by president Trump AND confirmed by the people around Robinson, including that his roommate is a "boyfriend" who is transitioning to female. (I noticed he also had a lot tells that he was lying and very concerned that Trump was watching him and would either praise him or condemn him for what he said.) Feeling my blood boiling at this point, at how shamelessly they lie. At least the next two Martha interviewed after Cox (CO Gov. and UT senator) didn't take the bait and blame the "radical 'left' wing" for the murder (which they keep calling an assassination) but also didn't correct the record when they had the chance.
That's because they're saying he's a left-wing extremist. 😡 He told his family he hated Kirk because his movement wasn't as "Pro-White" as it could be, using Nick Fuentes' Groypers as a litmus test for purity.
Yep, and there’s no way that was going to be repeated on the Sunday political chat shows. Talk like that on one of those shows, and the cocktail party invitations will dry up.
THIS is everything which IS being talked about online by those doing deep dives into his online habits. Robinson's not only an 'anime' gamer, but a groyper worshiper of Fuentes whose feud with Kirk is widely known on the deep web. I doubt followers of both will be able to contain their hatreds for each other despite the attempts to try to make it about democrats. For once I'm glad their insanity exists. Perhaps they'll take each other down.
The SINGLE most successful operation on the interwebs now is The Midas Touch. They have tapped into the hopeless and helpless nerve of the Left and serves up frantic, breathless bellowing about everything that's awful, Why Trump Is Stupid, and all that. They self-label all their stuff with click-bait headlines ("IT'S THE END FOR TRUMP! HE WAS JUST CRUSHED BY IDIOTIC MISTAKE!"), and never reveal what that was about (it was about nothing).
It's trash. Entertaining, low-calorie drivel to feed everybody's copium requirements. Their business model is rock-solid for the current times. I just unplugged their pod.
The Democrats Are In Disarray, and the Left has no clue what to do. The country really, REALLY, wants to try on fascist totalitarianism for a while. It may learn something in the process, but it's not like the Left has a way to stop it anyway.
He "apologized" days later after Fox was inundated with emails, and said that a plan to murder the homeless was insensitive or whatever. Saying it on-air was the insensitive part. Saying it off-camera is normal cocktail party convo for these ghouls.
If so, someone should have stricken this line. Kilmeade is well known for his hateful rhetoric so I think his comment was on par with all his other shitty comments
Sure it is. They know what they are doing. Throwing it out there to see what kind of reaction they get. Whoops a little too soon for that maybe so we’ll apologize this time. Meanwhile the window of what is acceptable moves just a little bit. The first guy who wants to put them in jail (round them up into camps) did he apologize? I think that is no, so that must already be OK.
That nail just got hit on the head with the hammer of truth.....Exactly why Donnie Demento is doing nothing but pouring gasoline on firestorm over Kirk to whip up even more hatred for the "radical left" and the "transgender agenda."
It's a terrible indictment on our warped society, but I guarantee you dollars to donuts that a non-zero percentage of the Faux & Friends audience were nodding their heads at Kilmeade’s ugly suggestion and going, "Now, that guy's really got a point."
Far too many people in our country--and not just right-wingers, I might add--think that people who are unhoused are less than human and thus disposable, and it's goddamn sickening.
Someday they will discover exactly how easy it is in this pitiless country to go broke and become homeless. And just how hard it is to claw your way out of that situation.
The only thing a Fox person can say to get fired is to call Fox News chief Suzanne Scott the C word in an email that becomes public during a huge defamation lawsuit. Isn’t that right, Tucker Fish Sticks?
You are NOT alone, James. When I referred to him (not often) it would be as 'tucker with an F'. (it might take a second). ;) I had no idea he'd said/done THAT but it tracks with those so-called 'male' fox piles of steaming elephant dung. frump is the entire CIRCUS of fecal matter, along with musk.
I’m not going through a week-old comment thread because this is too fucking stupid for words — but IIRC, I didn’t call you an idiot. I asked if you were AI. Which I still wonder. Blocking.
Dowd apologized multiple times in multiple ways--for doing nothing but speaking a simple, general truth: that violent thoughts tend to lead to violent rhetoric that tends to lead to violence.
Kilmeade recommended "involuntary lethal injection," which, in simple, general terms is.....murder. And exactly demonstrates the progression that Dowd feared.
Here's Adam Mockler (on his own show but more recently associated with The Meidas Touch) showing not only lunatic stephen miller ranting about a supposed 'last comment' to him by Kirk but THE very clip with Kilmeade. (hope I did this ok)
There was a 'change' in their 'leadership' not so long ago with firing of some really good people who were very outspoken against frump, but to claim that there's ZERO difference is literally 'taking away my breath' absurd.
I just watched Adam Mockler's Youtube about this, It seems he (and the Meidas Touch brothers) were the ones who pushed and pushed to get that particularly horrible fox video noticed. Adam's a fine young, sensible and well-spoken, calm activist who SORELY wants Kilmeade fired and is hoping the video he's done to that effect can help bring it about. I've already shared to Twitter. He also mentions that Kilmeade is 61 and born in Massapequa, NY (ugh, right here on Long Island - although Nassau County, not Suffolk). Can we at least help get him 'retired'? As Adam points out, his 'apology' came with a promotional chyron for his 10p.m. show. So much for his nopology (as I call them). Not a WORD about his added 'just kill 'em'.
LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE! Can we be at least aware enough and smart enough, to understand that whether someone is trans has absolutely NO impact on your life.
Trans, gay, green, black, or whatever, I'm so fucking tired of people getting all up in other people business. JFC.
It has nothing to do with you!! It affects you in no way. Grow up. Get a life.
Whew. Rant over. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 🙄
Hear ye hear ye, Susan! I feel the same on this and so many issues.
To the "get government out of my business" hypocrites that want to control even the most personal details of our lives I say...You disagree with abortion, don't have one. You don't want vaccines don't get them (but pls do stay away from immunocompromised people). You don't want your children to read certain books then give them your approved reading list. You are disturbed by people who are in loving relationships unlike yours recognize no one is forcing you into that choice in your life. Leave them alone.
I'm an old lady but I've still got life left in me. I've always loved my country and appreciated all the freedoms it offers. I'm pledging to fight to keep those freedoms while I'm still living and breathing on this beautiful earth.
I disagree on vaccines - once upon a time we agreed on health measures that affect the community, not just oneself - and we did such a good job that the very concept has become obsolete...
I think many of us remember polio. Young people have hardly seen polio victims, but we did and we remember. We need vaccines to obtain herd immunity so that everyone doesn't get sick, like with Covid.
I remember when the polio vaccine first became available. NO ONE refused the two-shot dose (Salk vaccine). We got the shots at school, and we were so grateful that we would not have to suffer from this crippling disease.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just sick and tired of all the whining and complaining and the feckless policies of the current regime. I am so done with these ignorant selfish tinfoil hat people. I am immunocompromised so I take precautions to protect myself. Avoiding crowds. Masking up. Leave the vicinity immediately if anyone nearby is coughing or sneezing.
ironically it's the great success of our creating large societies where *freedom* of the individual is possible (just as our success in public health has allowed anti-vax people to live long enough to babble)
"could our government please stop trying to blame every tragedy on the existence of trans people? is that too much to ask?" Yeah, apparently in the current environment that's way too much to ask. Sigh.
My trans agenda this morning is another cup of coffee, followed by watering the houseplants, while my wife finishes her morning meditation. Even more sinister and dangerous are my plans to help get out the autumn decorations.
Does anybody believe there are no trans in the Republican Party, no gays no lesbians. There has always been all of them in society and isn’t that more the NAZI regime thinking I don’t get that from msm but then I don’t watch it. I love those groypers put it in the dictionary and promote them. They will get nowhere but ridiculed and split the haters up!
Robert thank you for the link, I live in a bubble and could be called a bigot for not paying mind to any of these names. So I know 100% more about Nick Fuentes now too as well as Charlie Kirk. I find this encouraging since it all points to them eating their own. Lady MAGA is lost in space now I assume.
Fuentes POINTED at a MAGA human being and said: 'I don't want to see that' - it's disgusting' WTF? Here's what 'I' find 'disgusting': an old orange-sprayed pedophile rapist babyman who's cheated on his 3 wives while pretending he's 'christian', lying that he LOVES a young-ish racist, misogynistic bigot now murdered who tried to lecture others about homosexuality requiring 'stoning' using his bible for 'proof', all while completely ignoring the verses likewise calling for stoning ...those committing adultery. Fuentes hated Kirk and vice versa from all accounts, as did their followers. It's an in-house 'war' the old coward is trying to use to attack US, who saw through his bullshit from day one PURELY to distract from the EPSTEIN FILES! Just how vile does this all get? WILL we ever truly know?
Years ago, when there was an unmarried-partner-rights referendum on the ballot here in Ohio, our neighbor guy voted against it, because it would have given rights to same-sex partners (this was before Obergefell). His co-habiting female partner told him he was an idiot, because he'd just voted against THEIR rights. She told me she asked him how it threatened them personally if the new law happened to include the gay couple down the street, and they got some rights previously reserved only for married couples. He, um, hadn’t thought of it like that. And therein lies the problem.
so obvious...yet so disregarded (I personally, regardless of decency or empathy or anything, barely have enough energy to deal with my own stuff, let alone fret about the private lives of far distant total strangers)
THIS is something I've written about so often on other forums (fb, twitter, youtube,etc.) THANK YOU for phrasing it so well! When I've asked these racist, bigoted, women hating so-called 'pro-life' screamers, misogynistic incels, homophobic, transgender hating 'christian' individuals to explain exactly HOW the people they rail about are affecting their own lives, I've yet to receive a response over several years of asking. What I DO get? Insults, attacks, comments about my own (supposed) sexuality. VICIOUS nastiness, all of which don't apply and don't faze me since it shows their level of stupidity, but not ONCE has any of them managed a coherent explanation of 'why'? I'd be thrilled if even ONE spent time wondering 'why' then rethought their nonsensical invented hatreds.
*sigh WTF is wrong with these people, Elizabeth? The propaganda has been very effective with these simple minded creatures - and it's time to challenge them and call them out. "nonsensical invented hatreds"... thats perfect. 💙💙✌️
I briefly caught a moment on MSNBC or CNN (don't know which one I was channel surfing past) during which a "reporter" brought up the Groyper connection and then said that Nick Fuentes had denied knowing anything (about anything, I guess)--and so ended that "report." Since Fuentes said No, that's all the investigation needed on that front.
Such skilled, insightful, dogged journalism...........................(my eyes have rolled to the back of my head)
In all fairness - I think the ‘left’s’ milquetoast response to the event was an impulse to de-escalate… also, since most ppl would not be intimately familiar with CK rhetoric / there was time afterward for the specifics to come out w/o seeming to celebrate?
I didn't find the left's response to Kirk's killing to be milquetoast: all I saw and heard were standard statements of sympathy for the widow and children, as well as calls for a cessation of violent political rhetoric and a condemnation of gun violence and political violence. Nothing weak about any of it--all of it just reflecting basic human decency.
I also doubt that most people were unaware of Kirk's rhetoric: he was all over NotTwitter, as well as holding propaganda events like the one at which he was killed, and he was considered to be one of the leading voices of the extreme right.
It would also help if accurate information came out, in order to provide an antidote to the rampant fantasies created by the far right even before Kirk's death had been announced. Facts don't equate to a "celebration."
Well how about NPR on morning edition only quoting misinformation from the lips of the Utah governor? Reporting the assassin was left wing with a trans roommate. They didn't counter the narrative in any way....
Better yet, where's all the armchair sharp-shooter experts insisting his head should've been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel? 🤔
I must've missed that - who said/wrote that? I remember distinctly positing that the Kirk shooter would NOT be a 'military-style sniper', more that of someone who'd learned hunting. The shot was not a truly 'difficult' one requiring sniper-level skills. IF, however - you're referring to the 'assassination attempt' on orange man in Butler, Pa. whose would-be attacker somehow was ignored despite multiple attendees pointing him out to Law officers AND in the immediate aftermath shot in the head - then promptly disappeared from view quite contrarily to the usual brouhaha which usually accompanies ANY shooter of this type. THOSE same military experts (mostly fired since he re-ascended his gaudy throne) showed in slow-motion EXPERT re-enacted firings that FRUMP'S head would have had to sustain catastrophic INTERNAL brain injury due to the concussive effects of a shell of that caliber passing AS close to his skull as he claimed it did: 'it tore through my skin', djt. Perhaps he did! Perhaps his current seeming 'dementia' is actually a result of that same 'brain injury' which would be caused by an assassin's bullet 'tearing through the skin' of his ear. However, his ear could not have looked as it did in the immediate aftermath and I've seen multiple close up photos showing nothing of the kind. The only 'shrapnel' I've heard of WAS referenced during the Butler episode, possibly from the lectern OR the bulletproof plexiglas, not that of CK, who took a single bullet to the side of his neck according to those who made the announcement and witnesses AND live footage which has been played on continuous gory loops on the dark net ever since. ANY medical examiner and/or ballistics expert could make that call. I haven't read a SINGLE post claiming his 'head would have been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel'...which sounds truly awful.
Are you talking about this recreation? Why would a piece of metal nicking you ear concuss your brain? That's up there with the dope in here who said he should be deaf in that ear. Why? The noise comes from the GUN, not the bullet. And I said what I said about Kirk's head being blown off because a whole lotta people seem to wrongly believe Trumps practically should have. Yet no one is questioning how Kirk's remaing intact after getting whacked full in the neck. Can we have some consistency please in y'all toddler-level understanding of physics in our loopy conspiracy theories? Just asking questions.
Jeff, just when you might think this red hat crew could not go any lower, well, that ain’t the case. Why hype up and come down like a ton of bricks on the Trans community, which is probably not even 1% of the population. Why the hate? These individuals have done nothing to offend folks except they exist and that pisses a lot of folks off for some reason. I would suggest these pissed off folks sit back and read The Sermon on the Mount… I’m not in that tribe but I review it frequently because it is….. wisdom… Best to All
Fredo: They NEED groups they can feel superior to because of their NEED to feed the insecurity they feel. Add to that wanting desperately to belong with others they feel kin to, and voila! How does anyone shut down a connection to reality? Listen to RW radio, watch Faux News only, and you get addicted to that camaraderie.
Gosh, I'm kinda addicted to this community. I feel some kinship. Is that a bad thing? It is not because we are all grown-ups and sane. Well, mostly. I love my peeps.
Yeah, I'd caution against any organization/movement/cause/etc. centered around a single personality. Don't worry, Jeff; there's a reason I'm a paid subscriber.
Good points Doc. I’ve been exposed to enough RW radio, TV, and publications. At 19 I was in college worked at Legal Services, a non paid position 3 days a week for 3 years….Everyday I was told by a coworker that I was going to hell because I was not in his tribe so he tries to scare me into converting… I learned a few years later this individual became general counsel to Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. After that this individual founded his own law school, advocating home schooling, produced religious bs books for the home schoolers, had 12 kids and now? He’s an advisor to Donald. It’s as close to RW nuttery as I want to be. I reflect on this experience at 73. Best to You
Dr, that’s the domain that is the worst exactly the promoters. They don’t show there face just spew into that hot mic but they have been the pushers of hatred for a long time now.
It's very discomfiting for MAGA to admit that the shooter of Kirk is one of "them". It's always placing blame on "they, them, those". Just yesterday one of my neighbors echoed the Fox talking point that the homeless should be rounded up and placed in asylums. I reminded that neighbor it was St. Ronnie Raygun that closed the mental institutions back in the 80's. I'm not in that tribe either but they all need a refresher course of the Sermon on the Mount. Even I've read it.
Mingo, I bring up the Sermon on the Mount at every opportunity when discussing with Red Hats.. I think it pisses them off when I, not a member of that tribe quote the leader of their religion. Hopefully it compels them to reconsider their political stance and question their church or church leaders that do not spread that message, a universal message…
Ronald Reagan did one very important thing in 1986. He declared an amnesty for all immigrants without papers. They could apply for legal residency. No other President has done that.
It doesn't make any sense. My otherwise reasonable SO, who has a transmale relative we are reasonably close to and who is welcomed warmly at family get togethers, is somehow convinced that allowing transgender women to use women's rest rooms is world-ending because it means anyone who wants to molest women can dress as a woman and be allowed in (Spoiler alert: MEN CAN DO THAT EVEN IF THERE ARE NO TRANS WOMEN!). I have told him that I am no more concerned about sharing a locker room with transgender women than with gay women (Note: I play golf regularly with many lovely gay women and I am not concerned that they are going to make a pass at me in the loo). What concerns me more is that forcing trans men to use the women's room opens the door for any guy who wants to stalk women to walk in unchallenged - he doesn't get how that is a problem. Maybe "it's obvious" who is trans?
I have gay and lesbian friends. No trans friends that I know of. They are all wonderful people or they would not be my friends. I have lots of friends but only decent people.
For at least the last ten years my New Year's resolution has been to keep fidiots and jerkholes out of my life. I recommend it for everyone because it's worked well for me. A peaceful life is a good life.
No, it is not always obvious who is trans. But I just cannot believe what people think on this issue. How many incidents have there been of somebody being molested in a restroom? There are single sex restrooms all over Europe. Is there an epidemic of women being molested or stalked or attacked in restrooms? It’s another case of paranoia.
I was witness to a case of a guy in the ladies room of a public building with a knife who threatened to molest a woman until the police showed up (quickly because they were also in the building) -
HE WAS DRESSED LIKE A GUY.
And unlike Rudy Giuliani, he didn’t look like he’d wear a dress to invade the Ladies Room. If you’re going to invade a rest room, you’re not really going to care what you look like.
It's been scientifically proven that homophobes are often closeted, self-loathing homosexuals themselves; ergo maybe these transphobes secretly want to be trans.
Why are they so entranced by the trans people? I just don't get it. I guess they are just an easily identifiable focus for hatred. There are so few of them. Just leave the trans people alone. It's none of your business. God, I hate it here.
When I was working as Miss Olga Hungova, I mainly did shows at gay clubs. I knew a lot of gay and trans people, my best friend of 50 + years was a gay man & my accompanist/ partner. I had friends get bashed
"There are so few of them." That's why they think they can get away with brutalizing trans people and suffer no consequences. They tried it with gay people in general but found out there are too many of us with too many friends and relatives.
Repressed prurient interests. Or perhaps curiosity. Are they FOMO? Maybe.
Why was Playboy a best seller for so many years? Why is internet porn so rampant? Why are strip club parking lots always full, even mid-day? Why are there billboards advertising "adult shops" along the interstates through the Bible-beating south?
It’s a culture war/religion topic that Trump has focused on so no one cares that he is a thief and a liar. People are easily triggered because they don’t understand what it is and imagine they do.
People don’t understand why and what trans are doing and it has to do with basic sex and identity. My belief is that the fear and hate is a very basic tribal thing. If we don’t understand it, and it sounds “foreign” , meaning strange or different, we need to stamp it out for the good of our own survival. It might be contagious. Our children might get it. All sorts of ignorant, unfounded fears surface.
They don’t understand that trans people are not doing this on a whim, they are acting on their own real needs and feelings that they were born in the wrong body.
My theory, and I am not a scientist but just an observer, is that we are all made up of and affected by chemicals. In the past 50 years, our species has rapidly contaminated the earth and our environment with plastics, pharmacological detritus, etc. That is everywhere. That contamination is affecting us sexually and adding confusion to how we breed.
In other words, nature wants us to go away. Or reduce our species back into a balance. I believe none of our sexualities is a choice, but rather a real chemical need. Trans people, gay people, cisgender people, people are only reacting to individual needs. Period. No blame. No wrong. No biblical implications. Just our species reacting to the world we have created.
Actually, that's my explanation for the increase in autism. The introduction of high fructose corn syrup (1976) and the increase in the use of plastics (1980s). Kind of coincides with the increase of diagnoses of autism since the Eighties.
That was interesting. I'm old. So many things that exist today did not exist when I was a child. I sometimes wonder if it is actual pollution or the pollution of social media. Who knows?
I'm thinking about ADHD diagnoses. Now it seems like 70% of kids get that. Is it just a thing to sell drugs? Also, hyperactivity. I just don't get it. Kids are active, kids don't pay attention. This is news?
As a boomer I always say that we grew up in the most confusing and poorly informed sexual development times, parents didn’t want to deal with it and we got ridiculous information from our peers.
Or even perhaps an evolutionary response to the use of mass psychological manipulation in mass media through hard sexual identity delineations. The upping of wars of the sexes to sell more product. What if we all wore the same clothes or trainers ? Not great for the bottom line. Human beings depend upon complex evolving ecosystems of culture and physicality to survive. Any enforced narrowing down of this will engender a natural reaction. It is not just trans folk who question identifying within such seemingly arbitrary rigid sexual boundaries, plenty of us feel alienated by a mass culture pushing nothing but shallow consumerism. It is just ‘heretics’ like that are less obviously visible to the one dimensional mob.
Actual pollution of more chemicals. Social media didn't come into play until 2000. Oh, and cell phones, also 2000. Ever since, people have been noticing adolescent issues with communication.
Yes, the "live and let live" saying seems to be ignored these days. What kind of person are you that has so much interest in other people's sex lives, which frankly, is mostly NONE of your. business (unless someone under 14 is involved)?
I was the first! I'm so proud! ;-) LOVE the library. I also use them to get free audiobooks through Hoopla and Libby, for anyone who is also a fan. Can't wait to hear it again in John's voice!
I've been a fan of the library since age 4, btw. Voracious reader since then, though I'm getting up there now and audiobooks are easier on the eyes... My parents both grew up in farm families--my Mom had high school, but not my Dad due to working on the farm. Kudos to them--they gave me a set of Childcraft Encyclopedias and indulged my reading hobby as much as they could afford to. Miss you M&D!
I've lived all over the country and one of the first places I always went was to the local library. I even have a paving stone at the library here inscribed: Linda C Huth Found Refuge in the Stacks. A birthday gift from my BF. I love to think it will be there long after I'm gone.
I am at a public library in Virginia I haven’t seen a large uptick in book challenges in my community but a few other libraries have. I’m more aware in general bad attitude and behavior, which I think is everywhere.
Thank YOU!! Love the librarians!! Not sure where you are, but are you having issues with books being banned or attempts to ban? (Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is where we are....) :-(
And tell kilmeade to be careful...most people are just a stones throw away from becoming homeless, and with what trump is doing to the economy, some groyper out there who loses everything might just go looking for him.
Celeste good for you and quit with the tranny non-problem, but we have the most regressive and destructive sex based problem of all, widespread covers all political groups and is a world wide issue that refuses to get out from behind the curtain! Trannies can dance and sing still it doesn’t harm innocent children at all. Flip the script and get it back daily, survivors tell a heartbreaking truth.
I’m seeing posts on fb by my MAGA cousins. They fucking worship a racist, misogynistic bigot. They’re telling their fb friends to block them if they think what happened to Charlie Kirk was ok. I think I’ll block them knowing that they, the holier than thou Christians that they are, support a few shootings so they can still have the 2nd amendment.
We had an ASSASSINATION in Chicago this week also. The killer was an ICE agent. The death was and "I". . .IMMIGRANT. ICE agent not named and not arrested.
Indeed, there have been many assassinations and many more deaths directly inflicted by the thugs and their policies, and many more additional traumas inflicted to children, families, communities, and to this nation and the world. I cannot stand it, and cannot understand what hatreds would permit any people to tolerate even a sliver of this. But here we are. It’s overwhelming but we cannot simply let the nightmare wash over us. We must all do all we can even though we realize that it may not be enough.
Horrible, just horrible. Do we even know who is an ICE agent? Can people just make some bogus uniform, get a ski mask, and go out and kill people? I'm pretty sure that they can.
I suppose it was actually murder. There is currently great debate about the use of the word "assassination". It's just semantics. People still died so who cares what word is used?
"Nosferatu McGoebbels. He’s so pumped about continuing to persecute the left, he’s excitedly gibbering with his voice pitched so high that bats trying to geo-locate are flying smack into walls." OOOOOOHHHHHHHH Thank YOU!!!!
So. Governor Cox came out and said that Tyler’s roommate was a person transitioning and he’s cooperating fully and wasn’t aware of what Tyler was up to. It seems the governor just wants sooooo badly for the blame to somehow be on “others” that he’s become the mouthpiece for further division.
Why can’t we/they just denounce this hatred and unaliving? Because the right wants chaos at all costs and will never acknowledge that most of it comes from inside their own house. The hypocrisy is epic.
It's only really the religion. The people are great. Our accountant was a Mormon, and he knew religion was off the table, but we didn't drink, my husband was diabetic (no coke) and we had a very conservative lifestyle. Honesty, no cheating (the government) and we were best friends until he died. My parents went to him too and they were also best friends. He used to say we were "dry" Mormons, the lifestyle, but no religion.
apparently, Kilmeade has apologized. I don't care. if Mathew Dowd can be fired for stating the obvious, Kilmeade can be fired for being a piece of shit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5502547-fox-news-host-apologizes-homeless-remark/
I’m pretty pissed off at MSNBC right now. Charlie Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. Nor should he be canonized. If the media keeps caving in to these fascists who think free speech is only for them, then we’re fucked. Actually, I guess that ship has already sailed.
I will not watch MSNBC now. I will give up Maddow for the firing of Dowd. No channel left to promote the TRUTH. Substacks will give me the news.
Don’t give up on Lawrence O’Donnell. He calls out trump as being the stupidest person our country has ever seen. The Convict watches his show and can’t stand Lawrence mainly because he was at his trials in NYC.
I can’t quit on Lawrence. I love him. He gives zero fucks.
He is a consummate professional. He can cut out your liver from up your asshole, while smiling. Then, as he feeds it to the crows, you will thank him for his polite attention to this matter. There's nobody else like him.
😂😂
I'm still such a huge Rachel, Lawrence O'Donnell and Nicolle Wallace fan - I'm trying to tune in for them, at least. There was a 'newer' Producer (director?) hired some months ago afaik who was decidedly more frump-oriented as the information came out about the round of firings of some of MY favourite people there he didn't approve of: Joy Reid included (who just posted a fantastic lengthy Instagram showing Kirk's MANY vile racist & misogynistic video clips, AND she was one of the first to identify the shooter as a groyper (Nick Fuentes' fan). Along the same lines, I watched another explanatory instagram from a young man explaining what it's all about: the feud between Fuentes and Kirk. Very informative. I didn't get his name before my battery ran down and I'm decidedly NOT good at finding things already seen. IF MSNBC loses support, then frump 'wins' again since that was his stated aim so I'm torn. I love specific people but can't stand good analysts being fired for stating mild truths. Matthew Dowd did NOT say anything gratuitous or unacceptable. He was very careful yet HIS voice was 'cancelled'. It's sickening. Joy's video shows just HOW hateful Kirk was. I'm still appalled by HIS rhetoric while they're trying to give him a State funeral and holding him up as a 'martyr' and 'civil rights leader'. It's fucking insane.
Yes to Nicole, Rachael and Lawrence! I also like Ari most of the time.
And Chris Hayes.
Nicole Wallace lost me after the Biden--trump debate. Her white face, clutching her pearls, her clenched teeth. She kept saying people were texting her, till finally I said, no bitch. President Biden was sick, he said he was sick. My dad has a stutter. I know how he is when he's sick, on medication. His stutter, his eyes. Looking at President Biden was like watching my dad on stage! My dad is 88 now. I wrote an email to MSNBC, and never watched them again. Where was their outrage at trump gish galloping? There was none. Awhile ago, I decided to record Lawrence O'Donnell, and only Lawrence. trump is already winning, by all these networks bending to whatever he wants. I'm not watching MSNBC only to get back at trump. My morals say otherwise. I'm waiting for the weather on local news. There was a clip on the assinatition, no, Kirk was shot. Then she says double assinatition attempts on trump. No, Corey Comperatore was shot. Why are they so terrified of telling the truth? There was no 2nd, the man never shot his gun. Just tell the truth, you always remember the truth.
I've said this before, I'll repeat it here.
I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk.
MSNBC played full speeches of T during his first campaign - while Chris Hayes was trying to have a show and all that season. WTF? MSM is MSM. Rehire Dowd and maybe I’ll tune in again. Reid is actually better on her own.
I never did. I am not a tv news person, so I miss a lot of this crap and get to read hateful words, or skip them because I mostly consume my information by reading.
My go-to for news is The Guardian
It's a great source, truthful news
I like AlJazeera.
I stopped watching all TV/Cable news in 2015 during the 24/7 🤡 show, when they gave him a platform any time he chose, including calling in. I read like you. That way I have control of what information I take in.
Kathy, Yes. I like controlling what I take in. There is no point in learning how to skim and then not using it. My daughter skims through videos by speeding them up. Luckily she does not do that for her classes.
I don’t listen to podcasts for the same reason: info coming from a voice doesn’t lodge the same way it does when I read it. Also, I can’t take the chance that there will be a clip of Stephen Miller’s squeal.
I used to be....not anymore...after the 2020 election I was done..
Same here, Linda.
BBC news is very good. Just saying.
They’re really the best.
I read things like DW and Euro News which often have videos embedded in their articles. I view some but not all. Mostly the text better say enough without the videos.
I ga ve up msnbc years ago and I haven’t missed it.
I did too, but catch Lawrence and Rachel on YouTube occasionally
bruh, I haven't watched MSNBC since 2022....they have gone insane.
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell are OK, but not enough for me to subscribe to cable again.... actually O'Donnell was unwatchable the day of the Kirk shooting. So I read. It was as if he was under duress by Comcast mafia.
No he was not. Have you ever thought about how he himself has been doxxed by Trump’s thugs? Many times, because he has called the Convict out publicly every chance he gets.
Thank you, Marlene. My thoughts exactly! Lawrence is a truth-teller par excellence!
MSNBC has been capitulating for a while now. Last straw for me.
Nosferatu should watch what he says if he actually thinks he would survive very long in the environment he wants to create. There are thousands+ veterans who would line up to be able to be the one to take the shot that ended that miserable motherfucker!
Same. I'll miss her and Lawrence.They are the only reason I went back.
Now, totally done.
I'm with you.
CK shouldn't have been shot and didn't deserve to be shot. But the society is better off without his hateful influence and I am absolutely not sorry that voice is gone. I wish he had been given the time to mature spiritually and see his own dissonance but maybe next lifetime he'll do better.
He did deseve to be shot. And his shooter deserves to be either locked up for life or executed, I don't care which just so he is removed from society. We have been granted a twofer, one major and one minor domestic terrorist taken out.
Sorry, don't want to walk the path of violence. I even escort spiders out of my house rather than spray them.
me too - but spiders don't preach hate
Flies think they do. 😉
Yes, Gina! Same here.
Yesterday I let one tiny one crawl onto my hand from my car and let him climb off onto a bush because I was headed for I-95 and didn’t think he wanted to be along for that trip!
I don’t like to hurt any creature at this late stage of life. But I will have no compunction whatsoever to unload on any gun toting MAGAT who decides to start shit. None
I have to rescue them. My husband's an arachnophobe.
I once killed a fly and my husband fed the dead fly to our spider Herman. All spiders in our two homes (SF and Rome) are Herman(s).
So's my wife 🙂
Sure, until a brown recluse bites your three year old and you spend time in the hospital.
Or, until non-native Joro spiders invade your state and decimate your insect population which in turn kills off your native butterfly, moth, bird, bat, frog, lizard population. Everything has consequences.
I'm not violent either. But if insects/spiders could all get together and work it out, humans, the world over, wouldn't last the night, and it would be ugly and painful.
They can live outside happily, but not in my house or ON my house. I love my bats, butterflies, lizards, birds and frogs.
That is true. My husband was bitten by a brown recluse. You should see the scar on his leg (30 years later.) You are so correct. Everything does have consequences. Be aware!
I won't say he deserved it, but he himself is included in his acknowledged price of having an armed citizenry courtesy of the 2A. 🤷♀️
Don’t do this.
Don't speak truth? I think it is crucial to do so when people are being intimidated into keeping silent. He was an advocate of murder whose elimination is a good thing.
He advocated for unlimited 2nd amendment rights and glorified collateral damage. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Karma wins again.
In a vague sort of abstract way, I regret someone was shot to death. But, thanks to people like Kirk, I find myself not actually caring about him--or his family. Kirk believed that families attending a 4th of July parade, or 1st graders learning their ABC's, or children attending Mass, etc., etc., were all acceptable deaths; he believed in Replacement Theory; he opined that gay people should be put to death; he seemed quite sure that his God had a considerable list of hated people.....and on and on.....
In the wake of his death, his ilk--including the bastard occupying the White House--are increasing their hate speech, reaching whole new levels; they've seized this opportunity to lay it all on the "radical left" and transgender people, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Short version: don't miss him, don't care, and I'm making chili for dinner and a pan of shortbread for dessert.
It’s not “the truth.” It’s your opinion, and it’s a fucked-up one.
Agreed.
Good lord man 😬
How would you suggest we, as a society, rid ourselves of speech that promotes, encourages, incites and indoctrinates our youth toward violence? Say "please"?
Humans have always been and will always be violent. Not all of us, no, but too many. Men go to war because they like it, or they wouldn't do it. Won't change.
But on an individual level, when you promote hate, you get hate. When you state that dead school children (by white guys) and dead African American churchgoers AT CHURCH (murdered by a white guy) are just an unfortunate byproduct of a healthy 2nd Amendment, you become a target. When you quote from the Bible that gays should be stoned to death, you get a lot of angry people.
But INTERESTINGLY, even with THAT the gays aren't the ones who shot him! Kirk's offense, it seems, is that he didn't hate ENOUGH to suit a 22 year old white kid who had been raised by good ol' Ma and Pa America, and groomed his entire life to revere rifles.
That said, Martin Luther King, Jr. promoted nothing but peace, equality, harmony and honoring each other as people and he was assassinated. For hate speech? Nope. For peace speech. YEP! By a gay? Nope. By a right wing racist.
Kirk was 31, married with a kid and was making a boatload of cash from promoting pure, evil hatred. How much time did he need to mature? 10, 20, 30 more years? Do you honestly think God didn't have this planned for him?
I think that in the fairly recent past, many, many average men reluctantly went to war because they were ordered to, and they didn’t know how to get out of it (thinking WWI, WWII, especially Korea and Vietnam). Others were fooled by the hype; some went in the name of an overarching cause. IMO, the ones who eagerly charge off are in the minority.
Much farther back, men went to war because they owed a duty to a liege lord, their city, or other entity.
I don't think they were all that eager to risk their lives.
Now, the men who START wars are another story entirely.
And then those men who start wars cut the budget of the VA hospitals that care for those veterans injured in those wars.
Because those who start wars are cowards, losers, and users. That's been mostly the case since the beginning of organized societies.
You raise a lot of excellent questions and I don't have good answers. We are dealing in that perplexing shoreline where the tides of idealism meet the beach of the practical and it's stymied far better minds than mine. As for God's plans for Charlie or me, I have not an inkling. God may well be on vacation in this era.
Leigh, my dad fought in WWII and I can say unequivocally, he hated war.
I never met my Grandfather or two Great Uncles because they died in plane crashes in WWII when my mother was about eight. I'm glad your father survived. My father never went into the service - never had to. My husband enlisted but never saw combat, thank everything.
I knew a few young men way back during the Vietnam war who came home never to be the same, hearts and psyches destroyed. I don't believe it's the average man on the street that craves the violence, I believe it's the governments that crave land, resources, taxes, populations, power...
But I believe our culture idolizes the soldier, the veteran, the dead, and that makes it "attractive" for lack of a better word at the moment for young men. They're told they're going for "glory", and as your Dad can attest, it is anything but. They find out too late. It's why they take them so young.
Maybe he’ll be disqualified from another incarnation. Some souls are so damaged, they shouldn’t be released back into humanity.
Yes. My belief is that (assuming reincarnation is what happens,) some never make it back to a human body. But no one really knows. I think we would all like to believe that the arc of the universe is bent towards justice, but again, no one really knows. People like Trump may come back to richer and more powerful and just as evil as they were before 🙁🙁🙁
Perfectly stated!
Mature spiritually?
It's possible. The spirituality that supports my every breath now is very different than the one I had fifty years ago. It is far gentler and less smugly self assured than CKs seemed to appear.
I appreciate the Chicago Sun Times, which accurately reported that Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson did not want Trump's Feds coming to Chicago. They also interviewed people in the highest crime area of Chicago, after Trump claimed some "Black woman" asked him to come and help us, and no one said they wanted ICE or the National Guard, although they said they would like crime to be better, but not with those methods. So, while they did not say he was lying directly, they set up a scenario where would could easily envision that his words were made up.
It appears that the Orange Felon may have turned his eyes away from Chicago and is going for an easier target. Bravo to Governor Pritzker for his resistance. Every bit of resistance is useful.
Yes. Somehow Trump seemed to think that repeatedly inviting Pritzker to invite him to send troops to Chicago would work. However, Pritzker was on to him and responded to each invitation with a resounding "NO!" We do not want you here. If you want to help restore funds for programs that work on crime.
Trump knew without Pritzker's invitation sending National Guard would be illegal. So, he turned to Tennessee where the governor invited him to come. That is the Blue State-Red State difference.
My beloved sister has lived in Tennessee for many years. It has ruined her. I'm so sad.
Pritzker stated fairly unequivocally (I paraphrase) that if Trump came to his state and harmed on Illinoian, there would be hell to pay. Turns out Trump is that pussy he so loves to grab.
Getting so much heat for not going to more violent cities, he decided Memphis would be a good choice. Red, violent, murderous...but even now Memphis is sorta, kinda sayin' "Well, um, sure but, um, only help with crime enforcement, um you know?" They're getting a bit queasy I think.
I'm unsure of where it happened, but right now an AMERICAN citizen AND Iraq veteran is SUING ice/whatever group scooped him up after he showed up to his job as SECURITY. He noticed there were vehicles around but tried to go ahead, assuming he'd still be required for his shift. They surrounded his vehicle, yelled entirely conflicting 'messages', shattered his window, dragging him from the vehicle. He was thrown to the ground with one 'agent' kneeling on his back and another on his neck (not for anything, but IF that happened to me I'd be dead with my existing cervical disk problems). He was then tossed into a cell with NO explanation despite telling them that he was a fucking AMERICAN CITIZEN whose ID was in his vehicle! They kept him for 3 days/nights with no phone call, NO contact with anyone, no charges, no explanation. I believe his name is Retes? Lawyers have taken on his suit now but he's badly shaken by the experience of course. and they have their system of postponing any such hearing for at least 6 months. THIS is lawlessness AND naziism becoming full-throated. And Tennessee 'invited this'?
Perhaps that's because ice murdered someone in the Chicago suburbs, then lied about it. Since when does ice make traffic stops, and when the person doesn't stop, shoot them to death?
I think I read Tennessee and Memphis do not want the national guard there and that they never asked for it....another fantasy on the part of the orange menace
Teri, In the article I have linked it sounds like the governor is "working with" Trump but not necessarily like he invited them. The Democratic mayors either don't want him or are cautious about wanting him.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/09/12/trump-calls-for-deployment-of-troops-to-memphis-in-crime-crackdown/
I would be adamantly against them coming. I am here in Chicago where ICE murdered a man at a traffic stop, so not having the National Guard is small consolation when ICE is going crazy. I also don't trust the FBI to investigate anything. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/undocumented-father-killed-ice-agent-franklin-park-shooting/
I just want ICE to leave my city and let us get back to being ourselves. I am all for the Blue States soft secession.
Trump sent the National Guard and the marines into Los Angeles without a request from the Governor. Totally illegal, but Trump doesn’t give a shit. He does whatever the f*ck he wants because he thinks a President is the same as a dictator.
Yes shee-rah, but now the court has told Trump that was illegal, and gives him until mid October to appeal it to SCOTUS. Let us hope they say no. If they say yes, I am going to continue to be all out supporting the Blue State Soft Secession. I am going to be fighting for States rights as if I lived in Texas.
Im sure Gov Abbott , (TX) will invite the felon dictator to invade the blue city that he really hates,.. #1 San Antonio. then Houston. and then all cities in the Rio Grande Valley, I hope not.
Isn't Austin Blue as well. He can claim to be bringing law and order, but some might not see it that way.
They were also blocking the main roads coming into Chicago using snowplow trucks and other means.
Yes Debra. for crowd control they use snow plows and garbage trucks. My friend calls them "Urban Tanks!" I think we all know who needed to be controlled in Chicago, and it was not the crowds.
Pritzker 2028
We need him in Illinois. The only people I see running to fill his place are people like Rahm Emanuel, who is like a Republican in Democrats clothing because it is much cooler to be a Dem in Chicago than a Rep.
Philly inquirer is still pretty viable, too. They’re not owned by a billionaire. Wonder who owns the CST.
That is good to know. We should make a list of the local papers that are good and put it out there in the Democratic sphere, but keep it from the Republicans, by not making a big deal of it. People should know that there are good sources for local news.
Meet the Press and This Week kept that canonization going, not a word about Kirk being hateful or that his alleged assassin is ultra right white nationalist.
The only person This Week allows to ever say offensive shit is Reince and Repeat Priebus.
I just got done watching today's (9/14) "This Week" on ABC with Martha Raddatz, and Utah Gov. Cox repeatedly said it was radical left-wing idealogy as stated by president Trump AND confirmed by the people around Robinson, including that his roommate is a "boyfriend" who is transitioning to female. (I noticed he also had a lot tells that he was lying and very concerned that Trump was watching him and would either praise him or condemn him for what he said.) Feeling my blood boiling at this point, at how shamelessly they lie. At least the next two Martha interviewed after Cox (CO Gov. and UT senator) didn't take the bait and blame the "radical 'left' wing" for the murder (which they keep calling an assassination) but also didn't correct the record when they had the chance.
I missed the Cox interview on ABC, saw him on MTP, and it was less performative.
Good grief! Well maybe now the right will honor a transwoman for turning the roommate in instead of vilifying her!
The roommate’s gender hasn’t been confirmed. Somehow they’ll forget all about any role that person played.
That's because they're saying he's a left-wing extremist. 😡 He told his family he hated Kirk because his movement wasn't as "Pro-White" as it could be, using Nick Fuentes' Groypers as a litmus test for purity.
Yep, and there’s no way that was going to be repeated on the Sunday political chat shows. Talk like that on one of those shows, and the cocktail party invitations will dry up.
THIS is everything which IS being talked about online by those doing deep dives into his online habits. Robinson's not only an 'anime' gamer, but a groyper worshiper of Fuentes whose feud with Kirk is widely known on the deep web. I doubt followers of both will be able to contain their hatreds for each other despite the attempts to try to make it about democrats. For once I'm glad their insanity exists. Perhaps they'll take each other down.
This afternoon driving home we saw a flag at half mast at a plumbing supply store. I'm in PDX.
As if some public servant had died. Vance had the body flown to Phoenix on Air Force 2.
Unbelievable! Honestly, that special treatment is extremely unwarranted.
His wife has already declared him 'a martyr' standing at the side of his saviour. My head reels from the hypocrisy.
He didn’t serve his country. He wasn’t a hero. But the rewrite of his history is in full swing.
The SINGLE most successful operation on the interwebs now is The Midas Touch. They have tapped into the hopeless and helpless nerve of the Left and serves up frantic, breathless bellowing about everything that's awful, Why Trump Is Stupid, and all that. They self-label all their stuff with click-bait headlines ("IT'S THE END FOR TRUMP! HE WAS JUST CRUSHED BY IDIOTIC MISTAKE!"), and never reveal what that was about (it was about nothing).
It's trash. Entertaining, low-calorie drivel to feed everybody's copium requirements. Their business model is rock-solid for the current times. I just unplugged their pod.
The Democrats Are In Disarray, and the Left has no clue what to do. The country really, REALLY, wants to try on fascist totalitarianism for a while. It may learn something in the process, but it's not like the Left has a way to stop it anyway.
Yes, it has.
Correct.
He "apologized" days later after Fox was inundated with emails, and said that a plan to murder the homeless was insensitive or whatever. Saying it on-air was the insensitive part. Saying it off-camera is normal cocktail party convo for these ghouls.
His apology is moot. You can't unring a bell.
So not quite yelling ‘FIRE!’ In a theater … 😒 hm
No, it really is. And it's worse, actually, because Kilmeade said the quiet part out loud. You nailed it.
The snitching has already started, and they're looking to cull the herds.
i should have said that with more *snark*
Spot on.
At what point is threatening the lives of Americans on TV ‘breaking the law’? Rupert said it was a real NEWS program…
Damn straight. Fuck that guy.
His apology is bullshit!😡
Always pg 37 / below the fold / 4 days later… If Dems had a daily press briefing they could stem the tide there a bit. Or not. Oh well
His apology is really a non-apology or he wouldn’t have said it in the first place.
Aren't their shows scripted? Isn't every word planned? I wonder...
If so, someone should have stricken this line. Kilmeade is well known for his hateful rhetoric so I think his comment was on par with all his other shitty comments
Notice that he never 'retracted or nopologized' for the 'just kill 'em' part. THAT still stands as HIS 'final solution'. What a disgusting thug.
Sure it is. They know what they are doing. Throwing it out there to see what kind of reaction they get. Whoops a little too soon for that maybe so we’ll apologize this time. Meanwhile the window of what is acceptable moves just a little bit. The first guy who wants to put them in jail (round them up into camps) did he apologize? I think that is no, so that must already be OK.
That was rather harsh for off-the-cuff⁉️😡
He should have been slapped across his ugly face.
It’s a “guy apology” - “I’m sorry if I said something that offended you.”
Classic.
Yep. He needs to experience what it’s really like to be unemployed (and homeless.)
The corporate owned media and Trump are thrilled because now no one is talking about the Epstein Files.
ANYTHING to distract from the Epstein & Trump pedoFiles..
That nail just got hit on the head with the hammer of truth.....Exactly why Donnie Demento is doing nothing but pouring gasoline on firestorm over Kirk to whip up even more hatred for the "radical left" and the "transgender agenda."
It's a terrible indictment on our warped society, but I guarantee you dollars to donuts that a non-zero percentage of the Faux & Friends audience were nodding their heads at Kilmeade’s ugly suggestion and going, "Now, that guy's really got a point."
Far too many people in our country--and not just right-wingers, I might add--think that people who are unhoused are less than human and thus disposable, and it's goddamn sickening.
Someday they will discover exactly how easy it is in this pitiless country to go broke and become homeless. And just how hard it is to claw your way out of that situation.
Kilmeade needs to do prison time. Incitement to murder is a crime.
The only thing a Fox person can say to get fired is to call Fox News chief Suzanne Scott the C word in an email that becomes public during a huge defamation lawsuit. Isn’t that right, Tucker Fish Sticks?
Tucker Carlson is an actual steaming POS.
And I’m sure he never thought his email would be seen by the boss. FAFO.
I loath him and Jesse Watters and Sean Hannity...along with Elmo and DoTard
And many, many more.
You are NOT alone, James. When I referred to him (not often) it would be as 'tucker with an F'. (it might take a second). ;) I had no idea he'd said/done THAT but it tracks with those so-called 'male' fox piles of steaming elephant dung. frump is the entire CIRCUS of fecal matter, along with musk.
Im surprised they didnt fire Neal Cavuto of Fox News for the truth when he spoke about their orange dear leader back in 2019... it was Epic
LINK
https://youtu.be/fwc9K5W6fgw?si=BqQNg44FtRXJIvL7
Outstanding journalistic takedown - thanks for the link!
Yup FOLLOW THROUGH‼️
The reason why Dowd gets fired and Kilmeade gets to apologize is that radical left lunatics are THE problem.
did you forget to add the sarcasm designator? [/s]
Is that a sarcasm designator symbol? Gosh, I didn't know that. I will make great use of the symbol in the future.
Yes. Do you know that Jeff stated that he never meant to imply that RFK Junior was harming those birds? I can dig up his comment if I need to.
WTF. You’re still going on about the Bobby Jr. bird thing? Why?
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/this-week-in-stupid-september-6-edition/comment/153056447
Because you basically told me I was an idiot. I assume that you value the facts, so here they are.
I’m not going through a week-old comment thread because this is too fucking stupid for words — but IIRC, I didn’t call you an idiot. I asked if you were AI. Which I still wonder. Blocking.
No. The reason is ratings for the Murdoch Family.
Dowd apologized multiple times in multiple ways--for doing nothing but speaking a simple, general truth: that violent thoughts tend to lead to violent rhetoric that tends to lead to violence.
Kilmeade recommended "involuntary lethal injection," which, in simple, general terms is.....murder. And exactly demonstrates the progression that Dowd feared.
Here's Adam Mockler (on his own show but more recently associated with The Meidas Touch) showing not only lunatic stephen miller ranting about a supposed 'last comment' to him by Kirk but THE very clip with Kilmeade. (hope I did this ok)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FudCn-ZrXag
Kathleen, I hope that is a Borowitz style remark if not we need to talk.
Always ironic.
Beware of Poe's Law.
Difference between MSNBC and Faux...
ZERO
That is not true. How about taking it down a notch?
Not only 'not true' but wildly and blindly confused (at the very least).
You can criticize MSNBC , but saying there is ZERO difference between them and Fox shows a lack of critical thinking on your part.
There was a 'change' in their 'leadership' not so long ago with firing of some really good people who were very outspoken against frump, but to claim that there's ZERO difference is literally 'taking away my breath' absurd.
What? WTF?
Once again, it's all too embarrassing. The victims feeling obliged to apologize to their aggressors. This is an unhealthy, unsustainable relationship.
Thanks, Jeff! My sentiments exactly! 😊👍
Can be fired but won't be
I just watched Adam Mockler's Youtube about this, It seems he (and the Meidas Touch brothers) were the ones who pushed and pushed to get that particularly horrible fox video noticed. Adam's a fine young, sensible and well-spoken, calm activist who SORELY wants Kilmeade fired and is hoping the video he's done to that effect can help bring it about. I've already shared to Twitter. He also mentions that Kilmeade is 61 and born in Massapequa, NY (ugh, right here on Long Island - although Nassau County, not Suffolk). Can we at least help get him 'retired'? As Adam points out, his 'apology' came with a promotional chyron for his 10p.m. show. So much for his nopology (as I call them). Not a WORD about his added 'just kill 'em'.
LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE! Can we be at least aware enough and smart enough, to understand that whether someone is trans has absolutely NO impact on your life.
Trans, gay, green, black, or whatever, I'm so fucking tired of people getting all up in other people business. JFC.
It has nothing to do with you!! It affects you in no way. Grow up. Get a life.
Whew. Rant over. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 🙄
Hear ye hear ye, Susan! I feel the same on this and so many issues.
To the "get government out of my business" hypocrites that want to control even the most personal details of our lives I say...You disagree with abortion, don't have one. You don't want vaccines don't get them (but pls do stay away from immunocompromised people). You don't want your children to read certain books then give them your approved reading list. You are disturbed by people who are in loving relationships unlike yours recognize no one is forcing you into that choice in your life. Leave them alone.
I'm an old lady but I've still got life left in me. I've always loved my country and appreciated all the freedoms it offers. I'm pledging to fight to keep those freedoms while I'm still living and breathing on this beautiful earth.
I disagree on vaccines - once upon a time we agreed on health measures that affect the community, not just oneself - and we did such a good job that the very concept has become obsolete...
I think many of us remember polio. Young people have hardly seen polio victims, but we did and we remember. We need vaccines to obtain herd immunity so that everyone doesn't get sick, like with Covid.
I remember when the polio vaccine first became available. NO ONE refused the two-shot dose (Salk vaccine). We got the shots at school, and we were so grateful that we would not have to suffer from this crippling disease.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just sick and tired of all the whining and complaining and the feckless policies of the current regime. I am so done with these ignorant selfish tinfoil hat people. I am immunocompromised so I take precautions to protect myself. Avoiding crowds. Masking up. Leave the vicinity immediately if anyone nearby is coughing or sneezing.
Our whole society has turned into too many "individuals."
Just driving on the road anymore there is always someone who thinks they as the individual is more important than the group/traffic as a whole.
ironically it's the great success of our creating large societies where *freedom* of the individual is possible (just as our success in public health has allowed anti-vax people to live long enough to babble)
Oh, so you’ve been to Philadelphia 😂😂
Old ladies unite!
And don't forget us old guys
I wish I could have liked you post more on every point you made.
Well since there’s NEVER ANY PUSHBACK…
"could our government please stop trying to blame every tragedy on the existence of trans people? is that too much to ask?" Yeah, apparently in the current environment that's way too much to ask. Sigh.
weird scapegoat - perhaps because trans are few, unorganized, preoccupied (my daughter here in Canada just took in a scared American trans person)
My trans agenda this morning is another cup of coffee, followed by watering the houseplants, while my wife finishes her morning meditation. Even more sinister and dangerous are my plans to help get out the autumn decorations.
terrifying - where do I report this?
Call ICE. Dangerous domestic terrorists with agenda
Does anybody believe there are no trans in the Republican Party, no gays no lesbians. There has always been all of them in society and isn’t that more the NAZI regime thinking I don’t get that from msm but then I don’t watch it. I love those groypers put it in the dictionary and promote them. They will get nowhere but ridiculed and split the haters up!
Caitlyn Jenner comes to mind.
"Lady MAGA" drew the wrath of Nick Fuentes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_MAGA
Robert thank you for the link, I live in a bubble and could be called a bigot for not paying mind to any of these names. So I know 100% more about Nick Fuentes now too as well as Charlie Kirk. I find this encouraging since it all points to them eating their own. Lady MAGA is lost in space now I assume.
Fuentes POINTED at a MAGA human being and said: 'I don't want to see that' - it's disgusting' WTF? Here's what 'I' find 'disgusting': an old orange-sprayed pedophile rapist babyman who's cheated on his 3 wives while pretending he's 'christian', lying that he LOVES a young-ish racist, misogynistic bigot now murdered who tried to lecture others about homosexuality requiring 'stoning' using his bible for 'proof', all while completely ignoring the verses likewise calling for stoning ...those committing adultery. Fuentes hated Kirk and vice versa from all accounts, as did their followers. It's an in-house 'war' the old coward is trying to use to attack US, who saw through his bullshit from day one PURELY to distract from the EPSTEIN FILES! Just how vile does this all get? WILL we ever truly know?
ABSOLUTELY SUSAN!!!!!! My rant is the same!
Was it too much? 😂😂 I get so pissed off and tired of how badly people behave.
Hell no! lol
Not too much! Exactly right. And what many of us are thinking.
No Susan it was spot on!
Pitch perfect!😃
No, it wasn’t too much! It was well said.
I agree with you 100%!
👍💯 Mind your own Goddamned business!
Years ago, when there was an unmarried-partner-rights referendum on the ballot here in Ohio, our neighbor guy voted against it, because it would have given rights to same-sex partners (this was before Obergefell). His co-habiting female partner told him he was an idiot, because he'd just voted against THEIR rights. She told me she asked him how it threatened them personally if the new law happened to include the gay couple down the street, and they got some rights previously reserved only for married couples. He, um, hadn’t thought of it like that. And therein lies the problem.
Exactly!! Thank you for sharing that. 👏👏👏
My pleasure. The incident tickled me, because I'd always suspected that the woman in question was a closet R in our very blue area.
so obvious...yet so disregarded (I personally, regardless of decency or empathy or anything, barely have enough energy to deal with my own stuff, let alone fret about the private lives of far distant total strangers)
Took the rant right out of my mouth. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
😂😂😘😘
As Secretary Kegsbreath would say, "lethally precise" remarks
Tim Walz said it well: MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!
Yes! I forgot that! Tim is so right. Isn’t it amazing people think they have the right to interfere in other peoples lives???
I LOVE this post!!!!
THIS is something I've written about so often on other forums (fb, twitter, youtube,etc.) THANK YOU for phrasing it so well! When I've asked these racist, bigoted, women hating so-called 'pro-life' screamers, misogynistic incels, homophobic, transgender hating 'christian' individuals to explain exactly HOW the people they rail about are affecting their own lives, I've yet to receive a response over several years of asking. What I DO get? Insults, attacks, comments about my own (supposed) sexuality. VICIOUS nastiness, all of which don't apply and don't faze me since it shows their level of stupidity, but not ONCE has any of them managed a coherent explanation of 'why'? I'd be thrilled if even ONE spent time wondering 'why' then rethought their nonsensical invented hatreds.
*sigh WTF is wrong with these people, Elizabeth? The propaganda has been very effective with these simple minded creatures - and it's time to challenge them and call them out. "nonsensical invented hatreds"... thats perfect. 💙💙✌️
Thank you Susan, but YOURS was the bomb!
Beautiful Rant. Perhaps the best rant ever. Magnificent. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
🫡😂
Ha!!
In Trump’s America, you get fired for telling the truth.
In Trump’s America you can lie with impunity and be rewarded for it with a position you have no fucking business being in.
In Trump’s America, grifting is a time honored practice.
Trump’s America sucks.
100%
Why isn’t every local news broadcast opening with, “What are the ‘Groypers’, and how do you know the signs of your son is part of the deadly gang?”
-@anildash.bsky.social
I briefly caught a moment on MSNBC or CNN (don't know which one I was channel surfing past) during which a "reporter" brought up the Groyper connection and then said that Nick Fuentes had denied knowing anything (about anything, I guess)--and so ended that "report." Since Fuentes said No, that's all the investigation needed on that front.
Such skilled, insightful, dogged journalism...........................(my eyes have rolled to the back of my head)
That is grotesque :/
In all fairness - I think the ‘left’s’ milquetoast response to the event was an impulse to de-escalate… also, since most ppl would not be intimately familiar with CK rhetoric / there was time afterward for the specifics to come out w/o seeming to celebrate?
I didn't find the left's response to Kirk's killing to be milquetoast: all I saw and heard were standard statements of sympathy for the widow and children, as well as calls for a cessation of violent political rhetoric and a condemnation of gun violence and political violence. Nothing weak about any of it--all of it just reflecting basic human decency.
I also doubt that most people were unaware of Kirk's rhetoric: he was all over NotTwitter, as well as holding propaganda events like the one at which he was killed, and he was considered to be one of the leading voices of the extreme right.
It would also help if accurate information came out, in order to provide an antidote to the rampant fantasies created by the far right even before Kirk's death had been announced. Facts don't equate to a "celebration."
Well how about NPR on morning edition only quoting misinformation from the lips of the Utah governor? Reporting the assassin was left wing with a trans roommate. They didn't counter the narrative in any way....
Better yet, where's all the armchair sharp-shooter experts insisting his head should've been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel? 🤔
I must've missed that - who said/wrote that? I remember distinctly positing that the Kirk shooter would NOT be a 'military-style sniper', more that of someone who'd learned hunting. The shot was not a truly 'difficult' one requiring sniper-level skills. IF, however - you're referring to the 'assassination attempt' on orange man in Butler, Pa. whose would-be attacker somehow was ignored despite multiple attendees pointing him out to Law officers AND in the immediate aftermath shot in the head - then promptly disappeared from view quite contrarily to the usual brouhaha which usually accompanies ANY shooter of this type. THOSE same military experts (mostly fired since he re-ascended his gaudy throne) showed in slow-motion EXPERT re-enacted firings that FRUMP'S head would have had to sustain catastrophic INTERNAL brain injury due to the concussive effects of a shell of that caliber passing AS close to his skull as he claimed it did: 'it tore through my skin', djt. Perhaps he did! Perhaps his current seeming 'dementia' is actually a result of that same 'brain injury' which would be caused by an assassin's bullet 'tearing through the skin' of his ear. However, his ear could not have looked as it did in the immediate aftermath and I've seen multiple close up photos showing nothing of the kind. The only 'shrapnel' I've heard of WAS referenced during the Butler episode, possibly from the lectern OR the bulletproof plexiglas, not that of CK, who took a single bullet to the side of his neck according to those who made the announcement and witnesses AND live footage which has been played on continuous gory loops on the dark net ever since. ANY medical examiner and/or ballistics expert could make that call. I haven't read a SINGLE post claiming his 'head would have been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel'...which sounds truly awful.
All that makes sense to me EXCEPT I can’t imagine Trump being willing to have a live bullet as close to him as the one that killed the onlooker.
Nobody in their right mind would fake an assassination using live ammo aimed at the head.
But he’s not in his right mind …
That's true. That's why Trump wouldn't have been the mastermind behind this if it were staged.
Are you talking about this recreation? Why would a piece of metal nicking you ear concuss your brain? That's up there with the dope in here who said he should be deaf in that ear. Why? The noise comes from the GUN, not the bullet. And I said what I said about Kirk's head being blown off because a whole lotta people seem to wrongly believe Trumps practically should have. Yet no one is questioning how Kirk's remaing intact after getting whacked full in the neck. Can we have some consistency please in y'all toddler-level understanding of physics in our loopy conspiracy theories? Just asking questions.
https://youtu.be/FsvJzfXZI18?feature=shared
right?
The link didn't work for me!
Ooooooo - great fucking point!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The Hatfields keep blaming the McCoys every time a Hatfield shoots another Hatfield
- @teapainusa.bsky.social
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Jeff, just when you might think this red hat crew could not go any lower, well, that ain’t the case. Why hype up and come down like a ton of bricks on the Trans community, which is probably not even 1% of the population. Why the hate? These individuals have done nothing to offend folks except they exist and that pisses a lot of folks off for some reason. I would suggest these pissed off folks sit back and read The Sermon on the Mount… I’m not in that tribe but I review it frequently because it is….. wisdom… Best to All
Fredo: They NEED groups they can feel superior to because of their NEED to feed the insecurity they feel. Add to that wanting desperately to belong with others they feel kin to, and voila! How does anyone shut down a connection to reality? Listen to RW radio, watch Faux News only, and you get addicted to that camaraderie.
Gosh, I'm kinda addicted to this community. I feel some kinship. Is that a bad thing? It is not because we are all grown-ups and sane. Well, mostly. I love my peeps.
Jeff has the best peeps!
Yes, there is a parallel there .. The difference is in being in touch with reality and giving differing views entry to your mind as well.
Yeah, I'd caution against any organization/movement/cause/etc. centered around a single personality. Don't worry, Jeff; there's a reason I'm a paid subscriber.
Good points Doc. I’ve been exposed to enough RW radio, TV, and publications. At 19 I was in college worked at Legal Services, a non paid position 3 days a week for 3 years….Everyday I was told by a coworker that I was going to hell because I was not in his tribe so he tries to scare me into converting… I learned a few years later this individual became general counsel to Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. After that this individual founded his own law school, advocating home schooling, produced religious bs books for the home schoolers, had 12 kids and now? He’s an advisor to Donald. It’s as close to RW nuttery as I want to be. I reflect on this experience at 73. Best to You
Wow-kudos to you for not drinking the koolaid.
Fox, RW radio + attending the Christo Fascist church of your choice is the unholy triad of self righteous ignorance.
Dr, that’s the domain that is the worst exactly the promoters. They don’t show there face just spew into that hot mic but they have been the pushers of hatred for a long time now.
It's very discomfiting for MAGA to admit that the shooter of Kirk is one of "them". It's always placing blame on "they, them, those". Just yesterday one of my neighbors echoed the Fox talking point that the homeless should be rounded up and placed in asylums. I reminded that neighbor it was St. Ronnie Raygun that closed the mental institutions back in the 80's. I'm not in that tribe either but they all need a refresher course of the Sermon on the Mount. Even I've read it.
I have to admit, it was kind of funny to watch their heads explode.
Mingo, I bring up the Sermon on the Mount at every opportunity when discussing with Red Hats.. I think it pisses them off when I, not a member of that tribe quote the leader of their religion. Hopefully it compels them to reconsider their political stance and question their church or church leaders that do not spread that message, a universal message…
Ronald Reagan did one very important thing in 1986. He declared an amnesty for all immigrants without papers. They could apply for legal residency. No other President has done that.
It doesn't make any sense. My otherwise reasonable SO, who has a transmale relative we are reasonably close to and who is welcomed warmly at family get togethers, is somehow convinced that allowing transgender women to use women's rest rooms is world-ending because it means anyone who wants to molest women can dress as a woman and be allowed in (Spoiler alert: MEN CAN DO THAT EVEN IF THERE ARE NO TRANS WOMEN!). I have told him that I am no more concerned about sharing a locker room with transgender women than with gay women (Note: I play golf regularly with many lovely gay women and I am not concerned that they are going to make a pass at me in the loo). What concerns me more is that forcing trans men to use the women's room opens the door for any guy who wants to stalk women to walk in unchallenged - he doesn't get how that is a problem. Maybe "it's obvious" who is trans?
I have gay and lesbian friends. No trans friends that I know of. They are all wonderful people or they would not be my friends. I have lots of friends but only decent people.
I will not associate with A-holes.
My son who is a tough career military guy and his wife are best friends with a trans woman. I have never been so proud of him.
For at least the last ten years my New Year's resolution has been to keep fidiots and jerkholes out of my life. I recommend it for everyone because it's worked well for me. A peaceful life is a good life.
No, it is not always obvious who is trans. But I just cannot believe what people think on this issue. How many incidents have there been of somebody being molested in a restroom? There are single sex restrooms all over Europe. Is there an epidemic of women being molested or stalked or attacked in restrooms? It’s another case of paranoia.
I was witness to a case of a guy in the ladies room of a public building with a knife who threatened to molest a woman until the police showed up (quickly because they were also in the building) -
HE WAS DRESSED LIKE A GUY.
And unlike Rudy Giuliani, he didn’t look like he’d wear a dress to invade the Ladies Room. If you’re going to invade a rest room, you’re not really going to care what you look like.
excellent point - men could always go into women's washrooms
It's been scientifically proven that homophobes are often closeted, self-loathing homosexuals themselves; ergo maybe these transphobes secretly want to be trans.
Then again I don’t care, you say it nicely but I think this is a non-issue completely.
They want to be gay or lesbian. What one has to go through to be trans seems to miss entering the consciousness of these people.
Why are they so entranced by the trans people? I just don't get it. I guess they are just an easily identifiable focus for hatred. There are so few of them. Just leave the trans people alone. It's none of your business. God, I hate it here.
Because they're insecure about their own proclivities.
Nawleens big draw is trannys isn’t it? They draw big crowds and people have fun with it.
Where I live, we have Drag Queen Brunch and bus tours. It's all in fun. No one feels threatened. It's theatre.
When I was working as Miss Olga Hungova, I mainly did shows at gay clubs. I knew a lot of gay and trans people, my best friend of 50 + years was a gay man & my accompanist/ partner. I had friends get bashed
one was shot & killed. I am very strong ally. 🌈💙
There is a difference between trans and cross dressing. I think you are referring to cross dressing.
Transvestites, not " cross dressing "
And no, I wasn't referring to that. How would I know someone was a transvestite? They usually do it in private.
"There are so few of them." That's why they think they can get away with brutalizing trans people and suffer no consequences. They tried it with gay people in general but found out there are too many of us with too many friends and relatives.
they want a weak 'enemy' that's not gonna give them any grief back - ultimate bullying
Arne-their prefrontal cortex has quit functioning...
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Repressed prurient interests. Or perhaps curiosity. Are they FOMO? Maybe.
Why was Playboy a best seller for so many years? Why is internet porn so rampant? Why are strip club parking lots always full, even mid-day? Why are there billboards advertising "adult shops" along the interstates through the Bible-beating south?
Sex sells.
Great Joni Mitchell song !
It’s a culture war/religion topic that Trump has focused on so no one cares that he is a thief and a liar. People are easily triggered because they don’t understand what it is and imagine they do.
I just don't get why they feel threatened by it. Trans people aren't murderers. They aren't pedos. They just want to get on with their lives.
People don’t understand why and what trans are doing and it has to do with basic sex and identity. My belief is that the fear and hate is a very basic tribal thing. If we don’t understand it, and it sounds “foreign” , meaning strange or different, we need to stamp it out for the good of our own survival. It might be contagious. Our children might get it. All sorts of ignorant, unfounded fears surface.
They don’t understand that trans people are not doing this on a whim, they are acting on their own real needs and feelings that they were born in the wrong body.
My theory, and I am not a scientist but just an observer, is that we are all made up of and affected by chemicals. In the past 50 years, our species has rapidly contaminated the earth and our environment with plastics, pharmacological detritus, etc. That is everywhere. That contamination is affecting us sexually and adding confusion to how we breed.
In other words, nature wants us to go away. Or reduce our species back into a balance. I believe none of our sexualities is a choice, but rather a real chemical need. Trans people, gay people, cisgender people, people are only reacting to individual needs. Period. No blame. No wrong. No biblical implications. Just our species reacting to the world we have created.
Just my opinion…yours may be different.
Actually, that's my explanation for the increase in autism. The introduction of high fructose corn syrup (1976) and the increase in the use of plastics (1980s). Kind of coincides with the increase of diagnoses of autism since the Eighties.
Interesting
That's RFKJRs talking point.
Yeah, but he ignores science’s advances and vaccines and thinks his observations are the only thing humanity needs to stay well. And he’s wrong.
That was interesting. I'm old. So many things that exist today did not exist when I was a child. I sometimes wonder if it is actual pollution or the pollution of social media. Who knows?
Many things existed, but were not discussed, when we were children.
And we didn’t have plastic and other pollutants imbedded throughout our bodies and in our brains…
I'm thinking about ADHD diagnoses. Now it seems like 70% of kids get that. Is it just a thing to sell drugs? Also, hyperactivity. I just don't get it. Kids are active, kids don't pay attention. This is news?
As a boomer I always say that we grew up in the most confusing and poorly informed sexual development times, parents didn’t want to deal with it and we got ridiculous information from our peers.
Or even perhaps an evolutionary response to the use of mass psychological manipulation in mass media through hard sexual identity delineations. The upping of wars of the sexes to sell more product. What if we all wore the same clothes or trainers ? Not great for the bottom line. Human beings depend upon complex evolving ecosystems of culture and physicality to survive. Any enforced narrowing down of this will engender a natural reaction. It is not just trans folk who question identifying within such seemingly arbitrary rigid sexual boundaries, plenty of us feel alienated by a mass culture pushing nothing but shallow consumerism. It is just ‘heretics’ like that are less obviously visible to the one dimensional mob.
MAGA doesn’t want to hear any of that it’s way too woke.
Actual pollution of more chemicals. Social media didn't come into play until 2000. Oh, and cell phones, also 2000. Ever since, people have been noticing adolescent issues with communication.
Intersex science isn't about environmental chemistry. It's the way you are born. There are a myriad of sexual identities. Basic biology.
Genesis - “Duke’s Travels” - 1980
I am the one who guided you this far
All you know and all you feel
Nobody must know my name
For nobody would understand
And you kill what you fear
And you fear what you don't understand
I call you, for I must leave
You're on your own until the end
There was a choice, but now, it's gone
I said you would not understand
Take what's yours and be damned
Yes, the "live and let live" saying seems to be ignored these days. What kind of person are you that has so much interest in other people's sex lives, which frankly, is mostly NONE of your. business (unless someone under 14 is involved)?
That is wisdom.
Jesus, please stop this white on white violence!! It's ruining the indoctrination!!
Oh, and also, if you wouldn't mind: PROTECT US FROM YOUR FUCKING FOLLOWERS!!
Just got Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, out of the library. (Can't afford to buy all of the books I read! )
I Can't WAIT to read it.
Love to Jeff and all of you still trying to hang onto your sanity!! It's damn hard but we can do it!!
My library has ordered it and I'll be one of the people to get it when it comes in.
I was the first! I'm so proud! ;-) LOVE the library. I also use them to get free audiobooks through Hoopla and Libby, for anyone who is also a fan. Can't wait to hear it again in John's voice!
Thank you from a librarian.
I've been a fan of the library since age 4, btw. Voracious reader since then, though I'm getting up there now and audiobooks are easier on the eyes... My parents both grew up in farm families--my Mom had high school, but not my Dad due to working on the farm. Kudos to them--they gave me a set of Childcraft Encyclopedias and indulged my reading hobby as much as they could afford to. Miss you M&D!
I've lived all over the country and one of the first places I always went was to the local library. I even have a paving stone at the library here inscribed: Linda C Huth Found Refuge in the Stacks. A birthday gift from my BF. I love to think it will be there long after I'm gone.
I am at a public library in Virginia I haven’t seen a large uptick in book challenges in my community but a few other libraries have. I’m more aware in general bad attitude and behavior, which I think is everywhere.
Thank YOU!! Love the librarians!! Not sure where you are, but are you having issues with books being banned or attempts to ban? (Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is where we are....) :-(
Thanks for reminding me I'll also want to hear the audiobook. I just reserved that too! It's in, but there's already a line.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES...ALL OF IT!
And tell kilmeade to be careful...most people are just a stones throw away from becoming homeless, and with what trump is doing to the economy, some groyper out there who loses everything might just go looking for him.
It would be a legitimate act of self-defense.
Celeste good for you and quit with the tranny non-problem, but we have the most regressive and destructive sex based problem of all, widespread covers all political groups and is a world wide issue that refuses to get out from behind the curtain! Trannies can dance and sing still it doesn’t harm innocent children at all. Flip the script and get it back daily, survivors tell a heartbreaking truth.
I’m seeing posts on fb by my MAGA cousins. They fucking worship a racist, misogynistic bigot. They’re telling their fb friends to block them if they think what happened to Charlie Kirk was ok. I think I’ll block them knowing that they, the holier than thou Christians that they are, support a few shootings so they can still have the 2nd amendment.
I've been unfriended by at least one person already over this Charlie Kirk bullshit. Funny how the MAGA are the ones that do the unfriending. Wimps.
You know there must be ICE agents just itching to go on injection patrols.
We had an ASSASSINATION in Chicago this week also. The killer was an ICE agent. The death was and "I". . .IMMIGRANT. ICE agent not named and not arrested.
Indeed, there have been many assassinations and many more deaths directly inflicted by the thugs and their policies, and many more additional traumas inflicted to children, families, communities, and to this nation and the world. I cannot stand it, and cannot understand what hatreds would permit any people to tolerate even a sliver of this. But here we are. It’s overwhelming but we cannot simply let the nightmare wash over us. We must all do all we can even though we realize that it may not be enough.
There should be an honest cop observing every single one of them. They wouldn’t wear a mask and would wear a uniform and badge, and a service weapon.
Honest being the operative word.
Horrible, just horrible. Do we even know who is an ICE agent? Can people just make some bogus uniform, get a ski mask, and go out and kill people? I'm pretty sure that they can.
California just made it illegal for ICE agents to be masked. Yay!
Will they comply? We shall see. The question will end up in the supreme court and we know how they will rule. Bravo to California, anyway.
Murder book the masked killer!
Who was “assassinated”?
I suppose it was actually murder. There is currently great debate about the use of the word "assassination". It's just semantics. People still died so who cares what word is used?
Calling every murder an assassination dilutes the meaning of the word.
I understand. We can just call it murder and be done. It's all murder, in the end.
All because of Epstein's 50th Birthday Book...
Probably so. Then quickly followed by the release of 18,000 Epstein emails.
I wondered how long it would take them to start their eugenics program.
I can’t believe that the corporate assholes at Fox didn’t walk onto the set and haul Kilmead’s ass off on live TV. WTAF???
Nobody on set blinked an eye.
BELIEVE!!!
"Nosferatu McGoebbels. He’s so pumped about continuing to persecute the left, he’s excitedly gibbering with his voice pitched so high that bats trying to geo-locate are flying smack into walls." OOOOOOHHHHHHHH Thank YOU!!!!
Have you ever seen anyone with a more vacant soulless pair of eyes than Pee-wee German’s?
So. Governor Cox came out and said that Tyler’s roommate was a person transitioning and he’s cooperating fully and wasn’t aware of what Tyler was up to. It seems the governor just wants sooooo badly for the blame to somehow be on “others” that he’s become the mouthpiece for further division.
Why can’t we/they just denounce this hatred and unaliving? Because the right wants chaos at all costs and will never acknowledge that most of it comes from inside their own house. The hypocrisy is epic.
Cox was hoping for "a foreigner" so he could act on that. Scumbag.
It seems all MORMONS are MORONS.
They are definitely a weird group. I have worked with several and can confirm.
It is a cult religion based on the foolishness of one man. Oh, wait.
There's a lot of that going around these days.
A light bulb moment!!!
It's only really the religion. The people are great. Our accountant was a Mormon, and he knew religion was off the table, but we didn't drink, my husband was diabetic (no coke) and we had a very conservative lifestyle. Honesty, no cheating (the government) and we were best friends until he died. My parents went to him too and they were also best friends. He used to say we were "dry" Mormons, the lifestyle, but no religion.
OMG Kristy you said it. They already don’t believe in history, that is a big bubble.
It's all the inbreeding.
It's noteworthy that Cox went on national TV with these unsupported allegations shortly after a lengthy phone call with the Liar-in-Chief.