apparently, Kilmeade has apologized. I don't care. if Mathew Dowd can be fired for stating the obvious, Kilmeade can be fired for being a piece of shit.
I’m pretty pissed off at MSNBC right now. Charlie Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. Nor should he be canonized. If the media keeps caving in to these fascists who think free speech is only for them, then we’re fucked. Actually, I guess that ship has already sailed.
I never did. I am not a tv news person, so I miss a lot of this crap and get to read hateful words, or skip them because I mostly consume my information by reading.
Don’t give up on Lawrence O’Donnell. He calls out trump as being the stupidest person our country has ever seen. The Convict watches his show and can’t stand Lawrence mainly because he was at his trials in NYC.
I'm still such a huge Rachel, Lawrence O'Donnell and Nicolle Wallace fan - I'm trying to tune in for them, at least. There was a 'newer' Producer (director?) hired some months ago afaik who was decidedly more frump-oriented as the information came out about the round of firings of some of MY favourite people there he didn't approve of: Joy Reid included (who just posted a fantastic lengthy Instagram showing Kirk's MANY vile racist & misogynistic video clips, AND she was one of the first to identify the shooter as a groyper (Nick Fuentes' fan). Along the same lines, I watched another explanatory instagram from a young man explaining what it's all about: the feud between Fuentes and Kirk. Very informative. I didn't get his name before my battery ran down and I'm decidedly NOT good at finding things already seen. IF MSNBC loses support, then frump 'wins' again since that was his stated aim so I'm torn. I love specific people but can't stand good analysts being fired for stating mild truths. Matthew Dowd did NOT say anything gratuitous or unacceptable. He was very careful yet HIS voice was 'cancelled'. It's sickening. Joy's video shows just HOW hateful Kirk was. I'm still appalled by HIS rhetoric while they're trying to give him a State funeral and holding him up as a 'martyr' and 'civil rights leader'. It's fucking insane.
bruh, I haven't watched MSNBC since 2022....they have gone insane.
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell are OK, but not enough for me to subscribe to cable again.... actually O'Donnell was unwatchable the day of the Kirk shooting. So I read. It was as if he was under duress by Comcast mafia.
No he was not. Have you ever thought about how he himself has been doxxed by Trump’s thugs? Many times, because he has called the Convict out publicly every chance he gets.
CK shouldn't have been shot and didn't deserve to be shot. But the society is better off without his hateful influence and I am absolutely not sorry that voice is gone. I wish he had been given the time to mature spiritually and see his own dissonance but maybe next lifetime he'll do better.
He did deseve to be shot. And his shooter deserves to be either locked up for life or executed, I don't care which just so he is removed from society. We have been granted a twofer, one major and one minor domestic terrorist taken out.
Yesterday I let one tiny one crawl onto my hand from my car and let him climb off onto a bush because I was headed for I-95 and didn’t think he wanted to be along for that trip!
I don’t like to hurt any creature at this late stage of life. But I will have no compunction whatsoever to unload on any gun toting MAGAT who decides to start shit. None
Sure, until a brown recluse bites your three year old and you spend time in the hospital.
Or, until non-native Joro spiders invade your state and decimate your insect population which in turn kills off your native butterfly, moth, bird, bat, frog, lizard population. Everything has consequences.
I'm not violent either. But if insects/spiders could all get together and work it out, humans, the world over, wouldn't last the night, and it would be ugly and painful.
They can live outside happily, but not in my house or ON my house. I love my bats, butterflies, lizards, birds and frogs.
That is true. My husband was bitten by a brown recluse. You should see the scar on his leg (30 years later.) You are so correct. Everything does have consequences. Be aware!
Don't speak truth? I think it is crucial to do so when people are being intimidated into keeping silent. He was an advocate of murder whose elimination is a good thing.
In a vague sort of abstract way, I regret someone was shot to death. But, thanks to people like Kirk, I find myself not actually caring about him--or his family. Kirk believed that families attending a 4th of July parade, or 1st graders learning their ABC's, or children attending Mass, etc., etc., were all acceptable deaths; he believed in Replacement Theory; he opined that gay people should be put to death; he seemed quite sure that his God had a considerable list of hated people.....and on and on.....
In the wake of his death, his ilk--including the bastard occupying the White House--are increasing their hate speech, reaching whole new levels; they've seized this opportunity to lay it all on the "radical left" and transgender people, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Short version: don't miss him, don't care, and I'm making chili for dinner and a pan of shortbread for dessert.
How would you suggest we, as a society, rid ourselves of speech that promotes, encourages, incites and indoctrinates our youth toward violence? Say "please"?
Humans have always been and will always be violent. Not all of us, no, but too many. Men go to war because they like it, or they wouldn't do it. Won't change.
But on an individual level, when you promote hate, you get hate. When you state that dead school children (by white guys) and dead African American churchgoers AT CHURCH (murdered by a white guy) are just an unfortunate byproduct of a healthy 2nd Amendment, you become a target. When you quote from the Bible that gays should be stoned to death, you get a lot of angry people.
But INTERESTINGLY, even with THAT the gays aren't the ones who shot him! Kirk's offense, it seems, is that he didn't hate ENOUGH to suit a 22 year old white kid who had been raised by good ol' Ma and Pa America, and groomed his entire life to revere rifles.
That said, Martin Luther King, Jr. promoted nothing but peace, equality, harmony and honoring each other as people and he was assassinated. For hate speech? Nope. For peace speech. YEP! By a gay? Nope. By a right wing racist.
Kirk was 31, married with a kid and was making a boatload of cash from promoting pure, evil hatred. How much time did he need to mature? 10, 20, 30 more years? Do you honestly think God didn't have this planned for him?
I think that in the fairly recent past, many, many average men reluctantly went to war because they were ordered to, and they didn’t know how to get out of it (thinking WWI, WWII, especially Korea and Vietnam). Others were fooled by the hype; some went in the name of an overarching cause. IMO, the ones who eagerly charge off are in the minority.
Much farther back, men went to war because they owed a duty to a liege lord, their city, or other entity.
I don't think they were all that eager to risk their lives.
Now, the men who START wars are another story entirely.
I never met my Grandfather or two Great Uncles because they died in plane crashes in WWII when my mother was about eight. I'm glad your father survived. My father never went into the service - never had to. My husband enlisted but never saw combat, thank everything.
I knew a few young men way back during the Vietnam war who came home never to be the same, hearts and psyches destroyed. I don't believe it's the average man on the street that craves the violence, I believe it's the governments that crave land, resources, taxes, populations, power...
But I believe our culture idolizes the soldier, the veteran, the dead, and that makes it "attractive" for lack of a better word at the moment for young men. They're told they're going for "glory", and as your Dad can attest, it is anything but. They find out too late. It's why they take them so young.
I did go to war long ago but not because I wanted to. I did think I was invulnerable but we young men all did. You raise a lot of excellent questions and I don't have good answers. We are dealing in that perplexing shoreline where the tides of idealism meet the beach of the practical and it's stymied far better minds than mine. As for God's plans for Charlie or me, I have not an inkling. God may well be on vacation in this era.
It's possible. The spirituality that supports my every breath now is very different than the one I had fifty years ago. It is far gentler and less smugly self assured than CKs seemed to appear.
I appreciate the Chicago Sun Times, which accurately reported that Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson did not want Trump's Feds coming to Chicago. They also interviewed people in the highest crime area of Chicago, after Trump claimed some "Black woman" asked him to come and help us, and no one said they wanted ICE or the National Guard, although they said they would like crime to be better, but not with those methods. So, while they did not say he was lying directly, they set up a scenario where would could easily envision that his words were made up.
It appears that the Orange Felon may have turned his eyes away from Chicago and is going for an easier target. Bravo to Governor Pritzker for his resistance. Every bit of resistance is useful.
Yes. Somehow Trump seemed to think that repeatedly inviting Pritzker to invite him to send troops to Chicago would work. However, Pritzker was on to him and responded to each invitation with a resounding "NO!" We do not want you here. If you want to help restore funds for programs that work on crime.
Trump knew without Pritzker's invitation sending National Guard would be illegal. So, he turned to Tennessee where the governor invited him to come. That is the Blue State-Red State difference.
Pritzker stated fairly unequivocally (I paraphrase) that if Trump came to his state and harmed on Illinoian, there would be hell to pay. Turns out Trump is that pussy he so loves to grab.
Getting so much heat for not going to more violent cities, he decided Memphis would be a good choice. Red, violent, murderous...but even now Memphis is sorta, kinda sayin' "Well, um, sure but, um, only help with crime enforcement, um you know?" They're getting a bit queasy I think.
I'm unsure of where it happened, but right now an AMERICAN citizen AND Iraq veteran is SUING ice/whatever group scooped him up after he showed up to his job as SECURITY. He noticed there were vehicles around but tried to go ahead, assuming he'd still be required for his shift. They surrounded his vehicle, yelled entirely conflicting 'messages', shattered his window, dragging him from the vehicle. He was thrown to the ground with one 'agent' kneeling on his back and another on his neck (not for anything, but IF that happened to me I'd be dead with my existing cervical disk problems). He was then tossed into a cell with NO explanation despite telling them that he was a fucking AMERICAN CITIZEN whose ID was in his vehicle! They kept him for 3 days/nights with no phone call, NO contact with anyone, no charges, no explanation. I believe his name is Retes? Lawyers have taken on his suit now but he's badly shaken by the experience of course. and they have their system of postponing any such hearing for at least 6 months. THIS is lawlessness AND naziism becoming full-throated. And Tennessee 'invited this'?
I think I read Tennessee and Memphis do not want the national guard there and that they never asked for it....another fantasy on the part of the orange menace
Teri, In the article I have linked it sounds like the governor is "working with" Trump but not necessarily like he invited them. The Democratic mayors either don't want him or are cautious about wanting him.
Im sure Gov Abbott , (TX) will invite the felon dictator to invade the blue city that he really hates,.. #1 San Antonio. then Houston. and then all cities in the Rio Grande Valley, I hope not.
Meet the Press and This Week kept that canonization going, not a word about Kirk being hateful or that his alleged assassin is ultra right white nationalist.
The only person This Week allows to ever say offensive shit is Reince and Repeat Priebus.
I just got done watching today's (9/14) "This Week" on ABC with Martha Raddatz, and Utah Gov. Cox repeatedly said it was radical left-wing idealogy as stated by president Trump AND confirmed by the people around Robinson, including that his roommate is a "boyfriend" who is transitioning to female. (I noticed he also had a lot tells that he was lying and very concerned that Trump was watching him and would either praise him or condemn him for what he said.) Feeling my blood boiling at this point, at how shamelessly they lie. At least the next two Martha interviewed after Cox (CO Gov. and UT senator) didn't take the bait and blame the "radical 'left' wing" for the murder (which they keep calling an assassination) but also didn't correct the record when they had the chance.
That's because they're saying he's a left-wing extremist. 😡 He told his family he hated Kirk because his movement wasn't as "Pro-White" as it could be, using Nick Fuentes' Groypers as a litmus test for purity.
Yep, and there’s no way that was going to be repeated on the Sunday political chat shows. Talk like that on one of those shows, and the cocktail party invitations will dry up.
He "apologized" days later after Fox was inundated with emails, and said that a plan to murder the homeless was insensitive or whatever. Saying it on-air was the insensitive part. Saying it off-camera is normal cocktail party convo for these ghouls.
If so, someone should have stricken this line. Kilmeade is well known for his hateful rhetoric so I think his comment was on par with all his other shitty comments
Sure it is. They know what they are doing. Throwing it out there to see what kind of reaction they get. Whoops a little too soon for that maybe so we’ll apologize this time. Meanwhile the window of what is acceptable moves just a little bit. The first guy who wants to put them in jail (round them up into camps) did he apologize? I think that is no, so that must already be OK.
That nail just got hit on the head with the hammer of truth.....Exactly why Donnie Demento is doing nothing but pouring gasoline on firestorm over Kirk to whip up even more hatred for the "radical left" and the "transgender agenda."
It's a terrible indictment on our warped society, but I guarantee you dollars to donuts that a non-zero percentage of the Faux & Friends audience were nodding their heads at Kilmeade’s ugly suggestion and going, "Now, that guy's really got a point."
Far too many people in our country--and not just right-wingers, I might add--think that people who are unhoused are less than human and thus disposable, and it's goddamn sickening.
Someday they will discover exactly how easy it is in this pitiless country to go broke and become homeless. And just how hard it is to claw your way out of that situation.
The only thing a Fox person can say to get fired is to call Fox News chief Suzanne Scott the C word in an email that becomes public during a huge defamation lawsuit. Isn’t that right, Tucker Fish Sticks?
I’m not going through a week-old comment thread because this is too fucking stupid for words — but IIRC, I didn’t call you an idiot. I asked if you were AI. Which I still wonder. Blocking.
Dowd apologized multiple times in multiple ways--for doing nothing but speaking a simple, general truth: that violent thoughts tend to lead to violent rhetoric that tends to lead to violence.
Kilmeade recommended "involuntary lethal injection," which, in simple, general terms is.....murder. And exactly demonstrates the progression that Dowd feared.
I just watched Adam Mockler's Youtube about this, It seems he (and the Meidas Touch brothers) were the ones who pushed and pushed to get that particularly horrible fox video noticed. Adam's a fine young, sensible and well-spoken, calm activist who SORELY wants Kilmeade fired and is hoping the video he's done to that effect can help bring it about. I've already shared to Twitter. He also mentions that Kilmeade is 61 and born in Massapequa, NY (ugh, right here on Long Island - although Nassau County, not Suffolk). Can we at least help get him 'retired'? As Adam points out, his 'apology' came with a promotional chyron for his 10p.m. show. So much for his nopology (as I call them). Not a WORD about his added 'just kill 'em'.
LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE! Can we be at least aware enough and smart enough, to understand that whether someone is trans has absolutely NO impact on your life.
Trans, gay, green, black, or whatever, I'm so fucking tired of people getting all up in other people business. JFC.
It has nothing to do with you!! It affects you in no way. Grow up. Get a life.
Whew. Rant over. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 🙄
Hear ye hear ye, Susan! I feel the same on this and so many issues.
To the "get government out of my business" hypocrites that want to control even the most personal details of our lives I say...You disagree with abortion, don't have one. You don't want vaccines don't get them (but pls do stay away from immunocompromised people). You don't want your children to read certain books then give them your approved reading list. You are disturbed by people who are in loving relationships unlike yours recognize no one is forcing you into that choice in your life. Leave them alone.
I'm an old lady but I've still got life left in me. I've always loved my country and appreciated all the freedoms it offers. I'm pledging to fight to keep those freedoms while I'm still living and breathing on this beautiful earth.
I disagree on vaccines - once upon a time we agreed on health measures that affect the community, not just oneself - and we did such a good job that the very concept has become obsolete...
I think many of us remember polio. Young people have hardly seen polio victims, but we did and we remember. We need vaccines to obtain herd immunity so that everyone doesn't get sick, like with Covid.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just sick and tired of all the whining and complaining and the feckless policies of the current regime. I am so done with these ignorant selfish tinfoil hat people. I am immunocompromised so I take precautions to protect myself. Avoiding crowds. Masking up. Leave the vicinity immediately if anyone nearby is coughing or sneezing.
ironically it's the great success of our creating large societies where *freedom* of the individual is possible (just as our success in public health has allowed anti-vax people to live long enough to babble)
"could our government please stop trying to blame every tragedy on the existence of trans people? is that too much to ask?" Yeah, apparently in the current environment that's way too much to ask. Sigh.
My trans agenda this morning is another cup of coffee, followed by watering the houseplants, while my wife finishes her morning meditation. Even more sinister and dangerous are my plans to help get out the autumn decorations.
Does anybody believe there are no trans in the Republican Party, no gays no lesbians. There has always been all of them in society and isn’t that more the NAZI regime thinking I don’t get that from msm but then I don’t watch it. I love those groypers put it in the dictionary and promote them. They will get nowhere but ridiculed and split the haters up!
Robert thank you for the link, I live in a bubble and could be called a bigot for not paying mind to any of these names. So I know 100% more about Nick Fuentes now too as well as Charlie Kirk. I find this encouraging since it all points to them eating their own. Lady MAGA is lost in space now I assume.
so obvious...yet so disregarded (I personally, regardless of decency or empathy or anything, barely have enough energy to deal with my own stuff, let alone fret about the private lives of far distant total strangers)
Years ago, when there was an unmarried-partner-rights referendum on the ballot here in Ohio, our neighbor guy voted against it, because it would have given rights to same-sex partners (this was before Obergefell). His co-habiting female partner told him he was an idiot, because he'd just voted against THEIR rights. She told me she asked him how it threatened them personally if the new law happened to include the gay couple down the street, and they got some rights previously reserved only for married couples. He, um, hadn’t thought of it like that. And therein lies the problem.
I briefly caught a moment on MSNBC or CNN (don't know which one I was channel surfing past) during which a "reporter" brought up the Groyper connection and then said that Nick Fuentes had denied knowing anything (about anything, I guess)--and so ended that "report." Since Fuentes said No, that's all the investigation needed on that front.
Such skilled, insightful, dogged journalism...........................(my eyes have rolled to the back of my head)
In all fairness - I think the ‘left’s’ milquetoast response to the event was an impulse to de-escalate… also, since most ppl would not be intimately familiar with CK rhetoric / there was time afterward for the specifics to come out w/o seeming to celebrate?
Better yet, where's all the armchair sharp-shooter experts insisting his head should've been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel? 🤔
Jeff, just when you might think this red hat crew could not go any lower, well, that ain’t the case. Why hype up and come down like a ton of bricks on the Trans community, which is probably not even 1% of the population. Why the hate? These individuals have done nothing to offend folks except they exist and that pisses a lot of folks off for some reason. I would suggest these pissed off folks sit back and read The Sermon on the Mount… I’m not in that tribe but I review it frequently because it is….. wisdom… Best to All
Fredo: They NEED groups they can feel superior to because of their NEED to feed the insecurity they feel. Add to that wanting desperately to belong with others they feel kin to, and voila! How does anyone shut down a connection to reality? Listen to RW radio, watch Faux News only, and you get addicted to that camaraderie.
Gosh, I'm kinda addicted to this community. I feel some kinship. Is that a bad thing? It is not because we are all grown-ups and sane. Well, mostly. I love my peeps.
Yeah, I'd caution against any organization/movement/cause/etc. centered around a single personality. Don't worry, Jeff; there's a reason I'm a paid subscriber.
Good points Doc. I’ve been exposed to enough RW radio, TV, and publications. At 19 I was in college worked at Legal Services, a non paid position 3 days a week for 3 years….Everyday I was told by a coworker that I was going to hell because I was not in his tribe so he tries to scare me into converting… I learned a few years later this individual became general counsel to Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. After that this individual founded his own law school, advocating home schooling, produced religious bs books for the home schoolers, had 12 kids and now? He’s an advisor to Donald. It’s as close to RW nuttery as I want to be. I reflect on this experience at 73. Best to You
Dr, that’s the domain that is the worst exactly the promoters. They don’t show there face just spew into that hot mic but they have been the pushers of hatred for a long time now.
It's very discomfiting for MAGA to admit that the shooter of Kirk is one of "them". It's always placing blame on "they, them, those". Just yesterday one of my neighbors echoed the Fox talking point that the homeless should be rounded up and placed in asylums. I reminded that neighbor it was St. Ronnie Raygun that closed the mental institutions back in the 80's. I'm not in that tribe either but they all need a refresher course of the Sermon on the Mount. Even I've read it.
It doesn't make any sense. My otherwise reasonable SO, who has a transmale relative we are reasonably close to and who is welcomed warmly at family get togethers, is somehow convinced that allowing transgender women to use women's rest rooms is world-ending because it means anyone who wants to molest women can dress as a woman and be allowed in (Spoiler alert: MEN CAN DO THAT EVEN IF THERE ARE NO TRANS WOMEN!). I have told him that I am no more concerned about sharing a locker room with transgender women than with gay women (Note: I play golf regularly with many lovely gay women and I am not concerned that they are going to make a pass at me in the loo). What concerns me more is that forcing trans men to use the women's room opens the door for any guy who wants to stalk women to walk in unchallenged - he doesn't get how that is a problem. Maybe "it's obvious" who is trans?
I have gay and lesbian friends. No trans friends that I know of. They are all wonderful people or they would not be my friends. I have lots of friends but only decent people.
For at least the last ten years my New Year's resolution has been to keep fidiots and jerkholes out of my life. I recommend it for everyone because it's worked well for me. A peaceful life is a good life.
No, it is not always obvious who is trans. But I just cannot believe what people think on this issue. How many incidents have there been of somebody being molested in a restroom? There are single sex restrooms all over Europe. Is there an epidemic of women being molested or stalked or attacked in restrooms? It’s another case of paranoia.
It's been scientifically proven that homophobes are often closeted, self-loathing homosexuals themselves; ergo maybe these transphobes secretly want to be trans.
Why are they so entranced by the trans people? I just don't get it. I guess they are just an easily identifiable focus for hatred. There are so few of them. Just leave the trans people alone. It's none of your business. God, I hate it here.
When I was working as Miss Olga Hungova, I mainly did shows at gay clubs. I knew a lot of gay and trans people, my best friend of 50 + years was a gay man & my accompanist/ partner. I had friends get bashed
"There are so few of them." That's why they think they can get away with brutalizing trans people and suffer no consequences. They tried it with gay people in general but found out there are too many of us with too many friends and relatives.
Repressed prurient interests. Or perhaps curiosity. Are they FOMO? Maybe.
Why was Playboy a best seller for so many years? Why is internet porn so rampant? Why are strip club parking lots always full, even mid-day? Why are there billboards advertising "adult shops" along the interstates through the Bible-beating south?
It’s a culture war/religion topic that Trump has focused on so no one cares that he is a thief and a liar. People are easily triggered because they don’t understand what it is and imagine they do.
People don’t understand why and what trans are doing and it has to do with basic sex and identity. My belief is that the fear and hate is a very basic tribal thing. If we don’t understand it, and it sounds “foreign” , meaning strange or different, we need to stamp it out for the good of our own survival. It might be contagious. Our children might get it. All sorts of ignorant, unfounded fears surface.
They don’t understand that trans people are not doing this on a whim, they are acting on their own real needs and feelings that they were born in the wrong body.
My theory, and I am not a scientist but just an observer, is that we are all made up of and affected by chemicals. In the past 50 years, our species has rapidly contaminated the earth and our environment with plastics, pharmacological detritus, etc. That is everywhere. That contamination is affecting us sexually and adding confusion to how we breed.
In other words, nature wants us to go away. Or reduce our species back into a balance. I believe none of our sexualities is a choice, but rather a real chemical need. Trans people, gay people, cisgender people, people are only reacting to individual needs. Period. No blame. No wrong. No biblical implications. Just our species reacting to the world we have created.
Actually, that's my explanation for the increase in autism. The introduction of high fructose corn syrup (1976) and the increase in the use of plastics (1980s). Kind of coincides with the increase of diagnoses of autism since the Eighties.
That was interesting. I'm old. So many things that exist today did not exist when I was a child. I sometimes wonder if it is actual pollution or the pollution of social media. Who knows?
I'm thinking about ADHD diagnoses. Now it seems like 70% of kids get that. Is it just a thing to sell drugs? Also, hyperactivity. I just don't get it. Kids are active, kids don't pay attention. This is news?
Or even perhaps an evolutionary response to the use of mass psychological manipulation in mass media through hard sexual identity delineations. The upping of wars of the sexes to sell more product. What if we all wore the same clothes or trainers ? Not great for the bottom line. Human beings depend upon complex evolving ecosystems of culture and physicality to survive. Any enforced narrowing down of this will engender a natural reaction. It is not just trans folk who question identifying within such seemingly arbitrary rigid sexual boundaries, plenty of us feel alienated by a mass culture pushing nothing but shallow consumerism. It is just ‘heretics’ like that are less obviously visible to the one dimensional mob.
Actual pollution of more chemicals. Social media didn't come into play until 2000. Oh, and cell phones, also 2000. Ever since, people have been noticing adolescent issues with communication.
Yes, the "live and let live" saying seems to be ignored these days. What kind of person are you that has so much interest in other people's sex lives, which frankly, is mostly NONE of your. business (unless someone under 14 is involved)?
I was the first! I'm so proud! ;-) LOVE the library. I also use them to get free audiobooks through Hoopla and Libby, for anyone who is also a fan. Can't wait to hear it again in John's voice!
I've been a fan of the library since age 4, btw. Voracious reader since then, though I'm getting up there now and audiobooks are easier on the eyes... My parents both grew up in farm families--my Mom had high school, but not my Dad due to working on the farm. Kudos to them--they gave me a set of Childcraft Encyclopedias and indulged my reading hobby as much as they could afford to. Miss you M&D!
I've lived all over the country and one of the first places I always went was to the local library. I even have a paving stone at the library here inscribed: Linda C Huth Found Refuge in the Stacks. A birthday gift from my BF. I love to think it will be there long after I'm gone.
Thank YOU!! Love the librarians!! Not sure where you are, but are you having issues with books being banned or attempts to ban? (Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is where we are....) :-(
And tell kilmeade to be careful...most people are just a stones throw away from becoming homeless, and with what trump is doing to the economy, some groyper out there who loses everything might just go looking for him.
Celeste good for you and quit with the tranny non-problem, but we have the most regressive and destructive sex based problem of all, widespread covers all political groups and is a world wide issue that refuses to get out from behind the curtain! Trannies can dance and sing still it doesn’t harm innocent children at all. Flip the script and get it back daily, survivors tell a heartbreaking truth.
I’m seeing posts on fb by my MAGA cousins. They fucking worship a racist, misogynistic bigot. They’re telling their fb friends to block them if they think what happened to Charlie Kirk was ok. I think I’ll block them knowing that they, the holier than thou Christians that they are, support a few shootings so they can still have the 2nd amendment.
We had an ASSASSINATION in Chicago this week also. The killer was an ICE agent. The death was and "I". . .IMMIGRANT. ICE agent not named and not arrested.
Indeed, there have been many assassinations and many more deaths directly inflicted by the thugs and their policies, and many more additional traumas inflicted to children, families, communities, and to this nation and the world. I cannot stand it, and cannot understand what hatreds would permit any people to tolerate even a sliver of this. But here we are. It’s overwhelming but we cannot simply let the nightmare wash over us. We must all do all we can even though we realize that it may not be enough.
Horrible, just horrible. Do we even know who is an ICE agent? Can people just make some bogus uniform, get a ski mask, and go out and kill people? I'm pretty sure that they can.
I suppose it was actually murder. There is currently great debate about the use of the word "assassination". It's just semantics. People still died so who cares what word is used?
So. Governor Cox came out and said that Tyler’s roommate was a person transitioning and he’s cooperating fully and wasn’t aware of what Tyler was up to. It seems the governor just wants sooooo badly for the blame to somehow be on “others” that he’s become the mouthpiece for further division.
Why can’t we/they just denounce this hatred and unaliving? Because the right wants chaos at all costs and will never acknowledge that most of it comes from inside their own house. The hypocrisy is epic.
It's only really the religion. The people are great. Our accountant was a Mormon, and he knew religion was off the table, but we didn't drink, my husband was diabetic (no coke) and we had a very conservative lifestyle. Honesty, no cheating (the government) and we were best friends until he died. My parents went to him too and they were also best friends. He used to say we were "dry" Mormons, the lifestyle, but no religion.
"Nosferatu McGoebbels. He’s so pumped about continuing to persecute the left, he’s excitedly gibbering with his voice pitched so high that bats trying to geo-locate are flying smack into walls." OOOOOOHHHHHHHH Thank YOU!!!!
apparently, Kilmeade has apologized. I don't care. if Mathew Dowd can be fired for stating the obvious, Kilmeade can be fired for being a piece of shit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5502547-fox-news-host-apologizes-homeless-remark/
I’m pretty pissed off at MSNBC right now. Charlie Kirk shouldn’t have been shot. Nor should he be canonized. If the media keeps caving in to these fascists who think free speech is only for them, then we’re fucked. Actually, I guess that ship has already sailed.
I will not watch MSNBC now. I will give up Maddow for the firing of Dowd. No channel left to promote the TRUTH. Substacks will give me the news.
I ga ve up msnbc years ago and I haven’t missed it.
I never did. I am not a tv news person, so I miss a lot of this crap and get to read hateful words, or skip them because I mostly consume my information by reading.
My go-to for news is The Guardian
It's a great source, truthful news
I like AlJazeera.
I used to be....not anymore...after the 2020 election I was done..
Don’t give up on Lawrence O’Donnell. He calls out trump as being the stupidest person our country has ever seen. The Convict watches his show and can’t stand Lawrence mainly because he was at his trials in NYC.
BBC news is very good. Just saying.
I'm still such a huge Rachel, Lawrence O'Donnell and Nicolle Wallace fan - I'm trying to tune in for them, at least. There was a 'newer' Producer (director?) hired some months ago afaik who was decidedly more frump-oriented as the information came out about the round of firings of some of MY favourite people there he didn't approve of: Joy Reid included (who just posted a fantastic lengthy Instagram showing Kirk's MANY vile racist & misogynistic video clips, AND she was one of the first to identify the shooter as a groyper (Nick Fuentes' fan). Along the same lines, I watched another explanatory instagram from a young man explaining what it's all about: the feud between Fuentes and Kirk. Very informative. I didn't get his name before my battery ran down and I'm decidedly NOT good at finding things already seen. IF MSNBC loses support, then frump 'wins' again since that was his stated aim so I'm torn. I love specific people but can't stand good analysts being fired for stating mild truths. Matthew Dowd did NOT say anything gratuitous or unacceptable. He was very careful yet HIS voice was 'cancelled'. It's sickening. Joy's video shows just HOW hateful Kirk was. I'm still appalled by HIS rhetoric while they're trying to give him a State funeral and holding him up as a 'martyr' and 'civil rights leader'. It's fucking insane.
Yes to Nicole, Rachael and Lawrence! I also like Ari most of the time.
MSNBC has been capitulating for a while now. Last straw for me.
bruh, I haven't watched MSNBC since 2022....they have gone insane.
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell are OK, but not enough for me to subscribe to cable again.... actually O'Donnell was unwatchable the day of the Kirk shooting. So I read. It was as if he was under duress by Comcast mafia.
No he was not. Have you ever thought about how he himself has been doxxed by Trump’s thugs? Many times, because he has called the Convict out publicly every chance he gets.
Thank you, Marlene. My thoughts exactly! Lawrence is a truth-teller par excellence!
Same. I'll miss her and Lawrence.They are the only reason I went back.
Now, totally done.
I'm with you.
CK shouldn't have been shot and didn't deserve to be shot. But the society is better off without his hateful influence and I am absolutely not sorry that voice is gone. I wish he had been given the time to mature spiritually and see his own dissonance but maybe next lifetime he'll do better.
He did deseve to be shot. And his shooter deserves to be either locked up for life or executed, I don't care which just so he is removed from society. We have been granted a twofer, one major and one minor domestic terrorist taken out.
Sorry, don't want to walk the path of violence. I even escort spiders out of my house rather than spray them.
me too - but spiders don't preach hate
Flies think they do. 😉
I have to rescue them. My husband's an arachnophobe.
So's my wife 🙂
I once killed a fly and my husband fed the dead fly to our spider Herman. All spiders in our two homes (SF and Rome) are Herman(s).
Yesterday I let one tiny one crawl onto my hand from my car and let him climb off onto a bush because I was headed for I-95 and didn’t think he wanted to be along for that trip!
I don’t like to hurt any creature at this late stage of life. But I will have no compunction whatsoever to unload on any gun toting MAGAT who decides to start shit. None
Sure, until a brown recluse bites your three year old and you spend time in the hospital.
Or, until non-native Joro spiders invade your state and decimate your insect population which in turn kills off your native butterfly, moth, bird, bat, frog, lizard population. Everything has consequences.
I'm not violent either. But if insects/spiders could all get together and work it out, humans, the world over, wouldn't last the night, and it would be ugly and painful.
They can live outside happily, but not in my house or ON my house. I love my bats, butterflies, lizards, birds and frogs.
That is true. My husband was bitten by a brown recluse. You should see the scar on his leg (30 years later.) You are so correct. Everything does have consequences. Be aware!
I won't say he deserved it, but he himself is included in his acknowledged price of having an armed citizenry courtesy of the 2A. 🤷♀️
Don’t do this.
Don't speak truth? I think it is crucial to do so when people are being intimidated into keeping silent. He was an advocate of murder whose elimination is a good thing.
He advocated for unlimited 2nd amendment rights and glorified collateral damage. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Karma wins again.
In a vague sort of abstract way, I regret someone was shot to death. But, thanks to people like Kirk, I find myself not actually caring about him--or his family. Kirk believed that families attending a 4th of July parade, or 1st graders learning their ABC's, or children attending Mass, etc., etc., were all acceptable deaths; he believed in Replacement Theory; he opined that gay people should be put to death; he seemed quite sure that his God had a considerable list of hated people.....and on and on.....
In the wake of his death, his ilk--including the bastard occupying the White House--are increasing their hate speech, reaching whole new levels; they've seized this opportunity to lay it all on the "radical left" and transgender people, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Short version: don't miss him, don't care, and I'm making chili for dinner and a pan of shortbread for dessert.
It’s not “the truth.” It’s your opinion, and it’s a fucked-up one.
Agreed.
Good lord man 😬
How would you suggest we, as a society, rid ourselves of speech that promotes, encourages, incites and indoctrinates our youth toward violence? Say "please"?
Humans have always been and will always be violent. Not all of us, no, but too many. Men go to war because they like it, or they wouldn't do it. Won't change.
But on an individual level, when you promote hate, you get hate. When you state that dead school children (by white guys) and dead African American churchgoers AT CHURCH (murdered by a white guy) are just an unfortunate byproduct of a healthy 2nd Amendment, you become a target. When you quote from the Bible that gays should be stoned to death, you get a lot of angry people.
But INTERESTINGLY, even with THAT the gays aren't the ones who shot him! Kirk's offense, it seems, is that he didn't hate ENOUGH to suit a 22 year old white kid who had been raised by good ol' Ma and Pa America, and groomed his entire life to revere rifles.
That said, Martin Luther King, Jr. promoted nothing but peace, equality, harmony and honoring each other as people and he was assassinated. For hate speech? Nope. For peace speech. YEP! By a gay? Nope. By a right wing racist.
Kirk was 31, married with a kid and was making a boatload of cash from promoting pure, evil hatred. How much time did he need to mature? 10, 20, 30 more years? Do you honestly think God didn't have this planned for him?
I think that in the fairly recent past, many, many average men reluctantly went to war because they were ordered to, and they didn’t know how to get out of it (thinking WWI, WWII, especially Korea and Vietnam). Others were fooled by the hype; some went in the name of an overarching cause. IMO, the ones who eagerly charge off are in the minority.
Much farther back, men went to war because they owed a duty to a liege lord, their city, or other entity.
I don't think they were all that eager to risk their lives.
Now, the men who START wars are another story entirely.
Leigh, my dad fought in WWII and I can say unequivocally, he hated war.
I never met my Grandfather or two Great Uncles because they died in plane crashes in WWII when my mother was about eight. I'm glad your father survived. My father never went into the service - never had to. My husband enlisted but never saw combat, thank everything.
I knew a few young men way back during the Vietnam war who came home never to be the same, hearts and psyches destroyed. I don't believe it's the average man on the street that craves the violence, I believe it's the governments that crave land, resources, taxes, populations, power...
But I believe our culture idolizes the soldier, the veteran, the dead, and that makes it "attractive" for lack of a better word at the moment for young men. They're told they're going for "glory", and as your Dad can attest, it is anything but. They find out too late. It's why they take them so young.
I did go to war long ago but not because I wanted to. I did think I was invulnerable but we young men all did. You raise a lot of excellent questions and I don't have good answers. We are dealing in that perplexing shoreline where the tides of idealism meet the beach of the practical and it's stymied far better minds than mine. As for God's plans for Charlie or me, I have not an inkling. God may well be on vacation in this era.
Perfectly stated!
Mature spiritually?
It's possible. The spirituality that supports my every breath now is very different than the one I had fifty years ago. It is far gentler and less smugly self assured than CKs seemed to appear.
I appreciate the Chicago Sun Times, which accurately reported that Governor Pritzker and Mayor Johnson did not want Trump's Feds coming to Chicago. They also interviewed people in the highest crime area of Chicago, after Trump claimed some "Black woman" asked him to come and help us, and no one said they wanted ICE or the National Guard, although they said they would like crime to be better, but not with those methods. So, while they did not say he was lying directly, they set up a scenario where would could easily envision that his words were made up.
It appears that the Orange Felon may have turned his eyes away from Chicago and is going for an easier target. Bravo to Governor Pritzker for his resistance. Every bit of resistance is useful.
Yes. Somehow Trump seemed to think that repeatedly inviting Pritzker to invite him to send troops to Chicago would work. However, Pritzker was on to him and responded to each invitation with a resounding "NO!" We do not want you here. If you want to help restore funds for programs that work on crime.
Trump knew without Pritzker's invitation sending National Guard would be illegal. So, he turned to Tennessee where the governor invited him to come. That is the Blue State-Red State difference.
My beloved sister has lived in Tennessee for many years. It has ruined her. I'm so sad.
Pritzker stated fairly unequivocally (I paraphrase) that if Trump came to his state and harmed on Illinoian, there would be hell to pay. Turns out Trump is that pussy he so loves to grab.
Getting so much heat for not going to more violent cities, he decided Memphis would be a good choice. Red, violent, murderous...but even now Memphis is sorta, kinda sayin' "Well, um, sure but, um, only help with crime enforcement, um you know?" They're getting a bit queasy I think.
I'm unsure of where it happened, but right now an AMERICAN citizen AND Iraq veteran is SUING ice/whatever group scooped him up after he showed up to his job as SECURITY. He noticed there were vehicles around but tried to go ahead, assuming he'd still be required for his shift. They surrounded his vehicle, yelled entirely conflicting 'messages', shattered his window, dragging him from the vehicle. He was thrown to the ground with one 'agent' kneeling on his back and another on his neck (not for anything, but IF that happened to me I'd be dead with my existing cervical disk problems). He was then tossed into a cell with NO explanation despite telling them that he was a fucking AMERICAN CITIZEN whose ID was in his vehicle! They kept him for 3 days/nights with no phone call, NO contact with anyone, no charges, no explanation. I believe his name is Retes? Lawyers have taken on his suit now but he's badly shaken by the experience of course. and they have their system of postponing any such hearing for at least 6 months. THIS is lawlessness AND naziism becoming full-throated. And Tennessee 'invited this'?
I think I read Tennessee and Memphis do not want the national guard there and that they never asked for it....another fantasy on the part of the orange menace
Teri, In the article I have linked it sounds like the governor is "working with" Trump but not necessarily like he invited them. The Democratic mayors either don't want him or are cautious about wanting him.
https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/09/12/trump-calls-for-deployment-of-troops-to-memphis-in-crime-crackdown/
I would be adamantly against them coming. I am here in Chicago where ICE murdered a man at a traffic stop, so not having the National Guard is small consolation when ICE is going crazy. I also don't trust the FBI to investigate anything. https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/undocumented-father-killed-ice-agent-franklin-park-shooting/
I just want ICE to leave my city and let us get back to being ourselves. I am all for the Blue States soft secession.
Im sure Gov Abbott , (TX) will invite the felon dictator to invade the blue city that he really hates,.. #1 San Antonio. then Houston. and then all cities in the Rio Grande Valley, I hope not.
They were also blocking the main roads coming into Chicago using snowplow trucks and other means.
Pritzker 2028
Meet the Press and This Week kept that canonization going, not a word about Kirk being hateful or that his alleged assassin is ultra right white nationalist.
The only person This Week allows to ever say offensive shit is Reince and Repeat Priebus.
I just got done watching today's (9/14) "This Week" on ABC with Martha Raddatz, and Utah Gov. Cox repeatedly said it was radical left-wing idealogy as stated by president Trump AND confirmed by the people around Robinson, including that his roommate is a "boyfriend" who is transitioning to female. (I noticed he also had a lot tells that he was lying and very concerned that Trump was watching him and would either praise him or condemn him for what he said.) Feeling my blood boiling at this point, at how shamelessly they lie. At least the next two Martha interviewed after Cox (CO Gov. and UT senator) didn't take the bait and blame the "radical 'left' wing" for the murder (which they keep calling an assassination) but also didn't correct the record when they had the chance.
I missed the Cox interview on ABC, saw him on MTP, and it was less performative.
Good grief! Well maybe now the right will honor a transwoman for turning the roommate in instead of vilifying her!
The roommate’s gender hasn’t been confirmed. Somehow they’ll forget all about any role that person played.
That's because they're saying he's a left-wing extremist. 😡 He told his family he hated Kirk because his movement wasn't as "Pro-White" as it could be, using Nick Fuentes' Groypers as a litmus test for purity.
Yep, and there’s no way that was going to be repeated on the Sunday political chat shows. Talk like that on one of those shows, and the cocktail party invitations will dry up.
This afternoon driving home we saw a flag at half mast at a plumbing supply store. I'm in PDX.
Yes, it has.
Correct.
He "apologized" days later after Fox was inundated with emails, and said that a plan to murder the homeless was insensitive or whatever. Saying it on-air was the insensitive part. Saying it off-camera is normal cocktail party convo for these ghouls.
His apology is moot. You can't unring a bell.
So not quite yelling ‘FIRE!’ In a theater … 😒 hm
No, it really is. And it's worse, actually, because Kilmeade said the quiet part out loud. You nailed it.
The snitching has already started, and they're looking to cull the herds.
i should have said that with more *snark*
Spot on.
Damn straight. Fuck that guy.
His apology is bullshit!😡
His apology is really a non-apology or he wouldn’t have said it in the first place.
Aren't their shows scripted? Isn't every word planned? I wonder...
If so, someone should have stricken this line. Kilmeade is well known for his hateful rhetoric so I think his comment was on par with all his other shitty comments
Sure it is. They know what they are doing. Throwing it out there to see what kind of reaction they get. Whoops a little too soon for that maybe so we’ll apologize this time. Meanwhile the window of what is acceptable moves just a little bit. The first guy who wants to put them in jail (round them up into camps) did he apologize? I think that is no, so that must already be OK.
He should have been slapped across his ugly face.
Yep. He needs to experience what it’s really like to be unemployed (and homeless.)
The corporate owned media and Trump are thrilled because now no one is talking about the Epstein Files.
ANYTHING to distract from the Epstein & Trump pedoFiles..
That nail just got hit on the head with the hammer of truth.....Exactly why Donnie Demento is doing nothing but pouring gasoline on firestorm over Kirk to whip up even more hatred for the "radical left" and the "transgender agenda."
It's a terrible indictment on our warped society, but I guarantee you dollars to donuts that a non-zero percentage of the Faux & Friends audience were nodding their heads at Kilmeade’s ugly suggestion and going, "Now, that guy's really got a point."
Far too many people in our country--and not just right-wingers, I might add--think that people who are unhoused are less than human and thus disposable, and it's goddamn sickening.
Someday they will discover exactly how easy it is in this pitiless country to go broke and become homeless. And just how hard it is to claw your way out of that situation.
Kilmeade needs to do prison time. Incitement to murder is a crime.
The only thing a Fox person can say to get fired is to call Fox News chief Suzanne Scott the C word in an email that becomes public during a huge defamation lawsuit. Isn’t that right, Tucker Fish Sticks?
Tucker Carlson is an actual steaming POS.
I loath him and Jesse Watters and Sean Hannity...along with Elmo and DoTard
And many, many more.
And I’m sure he never thought his email would be seen by the boss. FAFO.
Im surprised they didnt fire Neal Cavuto of Fox News for the truth when he spoke about their orange dear leader back in 2019... it was Epic
LINK
https://youtu.be/fwc9K5W6fgw?si=BqQNg44FtRXJIvL7
Outstanding journalistic takedown - thanks for the link!
Yup FOLLOW THROUGH‼️
The reason why Dowd gets fired and Kilmeade gets to apologize is that radical left lunatics are THE problem.
did you forget to add the sarcasm designator? [/s]
Is that a sarcasm designator symbol? Gosh, I didn't know that. I will make great use of the symbol in the future.
Yes. Do you know that Jeff stated that he never meant to imply that RFK Junior was harming those birds? I can dig up his comment if I need to.
WTF. You’re still going on about the Bobby Jr. bird thing? Why?
https://www.jefftiedrich.com/p/this-week-in-stupid-september-6-edition/comment/153056447
Because you basically told me I was an idiot. I assume that you value the facts, so here they are.
I’m not going through a week-old comment thread because this is too fucking stupid for words — but IIRC, I didn’t call you an idiot. I asked if you were AI. Which I still wonder. Blocking.
No. The reason is ratings for the Murdoch Family.
Dowd apologized multiple times in multiple ways--for doing nothing but speaking a simple, general truth: that violent thoughts tend to lead to violent rhetoric that tends to lead to violence.
Kilmeade recommended "involuntary lethal injection," which, in simple, general terms is.....murder. And exactly demonstrates the progression that Dowd feared.
Kathleen, I hope that is a Borowitz style remark if not we need to talk.
Always ironic.
Beware of Poe's Law.
Difference between MSNBC and Faux...
ZERO
That is not true. How about taking it down a notch?
You can criticize MSNBC , but saying there is ZERO difference between them and Fox shows a lack of critical thinking on your part.
What? WTF?
Thanks, Jeff! My sentiments exactly! 😊👍
Can be fired but won't be
Once again, it's all too embarrassing. The victims feeling obliged to apologize to their aggressors. This is an unhealthy, unsustainable relationship.
I just watched Adam Mockler's Youtube about this, It seems he (and the Meidas Touch brothers) were the ones who pushed and pushed to get that particularly horrible fox video noticed. Adam's a fine young, sensible and well-spoken, calm activist who SORELY wants Kilmeade fired and is hoping the video he's done to that effect can help bring it about. I've already shared to Twitter. He also mentions that Kilmeade is 61 and born in Massapequa, NY (ugh, right here on Long Island - although Nassau County, not Suffolk). Can we at least help get him 'retired'? As Adam points out, his 'apology' came with a promotional chyron for his 10p.m. show. So much for his nopology (as I call them). Not a WORD about his added 'just kill 'em'.
LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE! Can we be at least aware enough and smart enough, to understand that whether someone is trans has absolutely NO impact on your life.
Trans, gay, green, black, or whatever, I'm so fucking tired of people getting all up in other people business. JFC.
It has nothing to do with you!! It affects you in no way. Grow up. Get a life.
Whew. Rant over. Thank you for your attention to this matter. 🙄
Hear ye hear ye, Susan! I feel the same on this and so many issues.
To the "get government out of my business" hypocrites that want to control even the most personal details of our lives I say...You disagree with abortion, don't have one. You don't want vaccines don't get them (but pls do stay away from immunocompromised people). You don't want your children to read certain books then give them your approved reading list. You are disturbed by people who are in loving relationships unlike yours recognize no one is forcing you into that choice in your life. Leave them alone.
I'm an old lady but I've still got life left in me. I've always loved my country and appreciated all the freedoms it offers. I'm pledging to fight to keep those freedoms while I'm still living and breathing on this beautiful earth.
I disagree on vaccines - once upon a time we agreed on health measures that affect the community, not just oneself - and we did such a good job that the very concept has become obsolete...
I think many of us remember polio. Young people have hardly seen polio victims, but we did and we remember. We need vaccines to obtain herd immunity so that everyone doesn't get sick, like with Covid.
I completely understand where you're coming from. I'm just sick and tired of all the whining and complaining and the feckless policies of the current regime. I am so done with these ignorant selfish tinfoil hat people. I am immunocompromised so I take precautions to protect myself. Avoiding crowds. Masking up. Leave the vicinity immediately if anyone nearby is coughing or sneezing.
Our whole society has turned into too many "individuals."
Just driving on the road anymore there is always someone who thinks they as the individual is more important than the group/traffic as a whole.
ironically it's the great success of our creating large societies where *freedom* of the individual is possible (just as our success in public health has allowed anti-vax people to live long enough to babble)
I wish I could have liked you post more on every point you made.
Old ladies unite!
And don't forget us old guys
"could our government please stop trying to blame every tragedy on the existence of trans people? is that too much to ask?" Yeah, apparently in the current environment that's way too much to ask. Sigh.
weird scapegoat - perhaps because trans are few, unorganized, preoccupied (my daughter here in Canada just took in a scared American trans person)
My trans agenda this morning is another cup of coffee, followed by watering the houseplants, while my wife finishes her morning meditation. Even more sinister and dangerous are my plans to help get out the autumn decorations.
terrifying - where do I report this?
Call ICE. Dangerous domestic terrorists with agenda
Does anybody believe there are no trans in the Republican Party, no gays no lesbians. There has always been all of them in society and isn’t that more the NAZI regime thinking I don’t get that from msm but then I don’t watch it. I love those groypers put it in the dictionary and promote them. They will get nowhere but ridiculed and split the haters up!
Caitlyn Jenner comes to mind.
"Lady MAGA" drew the wrath of Nick Fuentes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_MAGA
Robert thank you for the link, I live in a bubble and could be called a bigot for not paying mind to any of these names. So I know 100% more about Nick Fuentes now too as well as Charlie Kirk. I find this encouraging since it all points to them eating their own. Lady MAGA is lost in space now I assume.
ABSOLUTELY SUSAN!!!!!! My rant is the same!
Was it too much? 😂😂 I get so pissed off and tired of how badly people behave.
Hell no! lol
Not too much! Exactly right. And what many of us are thinking.
No Susan it was spot on!
Pitch perfect!😃
No, it wasn’t too much! It was well said.
I agree with you 100%!
so obvious...yet so disregarded (I personally, regardless of decency or empathy or anything, barely have enough energy to deal with my own stuff, let alone fret about the private lives of far distant total strangers)
👍💯 Mind your own Goddamned business!
Years ago, when there was an unmarried-partner-rights referendum on the ballot here in Ohio, our neighbor guy voted against it, because it would have given rights to same-sex partners (this was before Obergefell). His co-habiting female partner told him he was an idiot, because he'd just voted against THEIR rights. She told me she asked him how it threatened them personally if the new law happened to include the gay couple down the street, and they got some rights previously reserved only for married couples. He, um, hadn’t thought of it like that. And therein lies the problem.
Exactly!! Thank you for sharing that. 👏👏👏
My pleasure. The incident tickled me, because I'd always suspected that the woman in question was a closet R in our very blue area.
As Secretary Kegsbreath would say, "lethally precise" remarks
Took the rant right out of my mouth. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
😂😂😘😘
I LOVE this post!!!!
Beautiful Rant. Perhaps the best rant ever. Magnificent. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
🫡😂
Ha!!
In Trump’s America, you get fired for telling the truth.
In Trump’s America you can lie with impunity and be rewarded for it with a position you have no fucking business being in.
In Trump’s America, grifting is a time honored practice.
Trump’s America sucks.
100%
Why isn’t every local news broadcast opening with, “What are the ‘Groypers’, and how do you know the signs of your son is part of the deadly gang?”
-@anildash.bsky.social
I briefly caught a moment on MSNBC or CNN (don't know which one I was channel surfing past) during which a "reporter" brought up the Groyper connection and then said that Nick Fuentes had denied knowing anything (about anything, I guess)--and so ended that "report." Since Fuentes said No, that's all the investigation needed on that front.
Such skilled, insightful, dogged journalism...........................(my eyes have rolled to the back of my head)
That is grotesque :/
In all fairness - I think the ‘left’s’ milquetoast response to the event was an impulse to de-escalate… also, since most ppl would not be intimately familiar with CK rhetoric / there was time afterward for the specifics to come out w/o seeming to celebrate?
Better yet, where's all the armchair sharp-shooter experts insisting his head should've been blown clean off his shoulders and pulverized into hamburger by the shrapnel? 🤔
right?
The link didn't work for me!
Ooooooo - great fucking point!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The Hatfields keep blaming the McCoys every time a Hatfield shoots another Hatfield
- @teapainusa.bsky.social
👏🏻👏🏻😂👏🏻👏🏻
Jeff, just when you might think this red hat crew could not go any lower, well, that ain’t the case. Why hype up and come down like a ton of bricks on the Trans community, which is probably not even 1% of the population. Why the hate? These individuals have done nothing to offend folks except they exist and that pisses a lot of folks off for some reason. I would suggest these pissed off folks sit back and read The Sermon on the Mount… I’m not in that tribe but I review it frequently because it is….. wisdom… Best to All
Fredo: They NEED groups they can feel superior to because of their NEED to feed the insecurity they feel. Add to that wanting desperately to belong with others they feel kin to, and voila! How does anyone shut down a connection to reality? Listen to RW radio, watch Faux News only, and you get addicted to that camaraderie.
Gosh, I'm kinda addicted to this community. I feel some kinship. Is that a bad thing? It is not because we are all grown-ups and sane. Well, mostly. I love my peeps.
Jeff has the best peeps!
Yes, there is a parallel there .. The difference is in being in touch with reality and giving differing views entry to your mind as well.
Yeah, I'd caution against any organization/movement/cause/etc. centered around a single personality. Don't worry, Jeff; there's a reason I'm a paid subscriber.
Good points Doc. I’ve been exposed to enough RW radio, TV, and publications. At 19 I was in college worked at Legal Services, a non paid position 3 days a week for 3 years….Everyday I was told by a coworker that I was going to hell because I was not in his tribe so he tries to scare me into converting… I learned a few years later this individual became general counsel to Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority. After that this individual founded his own law school, advocating home schooling, produced religious bs books for the home schoolers, had 12 kids and now? He’s an advisor to Donald. It’s as close to RW nuttery as I want to be. I reflect on this experience at 73. Best to You
Wow-kudos to you for not drinking the koolaid.
Dr, that’s the domain that is the worst exactly the promoters. They don’t show there face just spew into that hot mic but they have been the pushers of hatred for a long time now.
Fox, RW radio + attending the Christo Fascist church of your choice is the unholy triad of self righteous ignorance.
It's very discomfiting for MAGA to admit that the shooter of Kirk is one of "them". It's always placing blame on "they, them, those". Just yesterday one of my neighbors echoed the Fox talking point that the homeless should be rounded up and placed in asylums. I reminded that neighbor it was St. Ronnie Raygun that closed the mental institutions back in the 80's. I'm not in that tribe either but they all need a refresher course of the Sermon on the Mount. Even I've read it.
I have to admit, it was kind of funny to watch their heads explode.
It doesn't make any sense. My otherwise reasonable SO, who has a transmale relative we are reasonably close to and who is welcomed warmly at family get togethers, is somehow convinced that allowing transgender women to use women's rest rooms is world-ending because it means anyone who wants to molest women can dress as a woman and be allowed in (Spoiler alert: MEN CAN DO THAT EVEN IF THERE ARE NO TRANS WOMEN!). I have told him that I am no more concerned about sharing a locker room with transgender women than with gay women (Note: I play golf regularly with many lovely gay women and I am not concerned that they are going to make a pass at me in the loo). What concerns me more is that forcing trans men to use the women's room opens the door for any guy who wants to stalk women to walk in unchallenged - he doesn't get how that is a problem. Maybe "it's obvious" who is trans?
I have gay and lesbian friends. No trans friends that I know of. They are all wonderful people or they would not be my friends. I have lots of friends but only decent people.
I will not associate with A-holes.
My son who is a tough career military guy and his wife are best friends with a trans woman. I have never been so proud of him.
For at least the last ten years my New Year's resolution has been to keep fidiots and jerkholes out of my life. I recommend it for everyone because it's worked well for me. A peaceful life is a good life.
No, it is not always obvious who is trans. But I just cannot believe what people think on this issue. How many incidents have there been of somebody being molested in a restroom? There are single sex restrooms all over Europe. Is there an epidemic of women being molested or stalked or attacked in restrooms? It’s another case of paranoia.
excellent point - men could always go into women's washrooms
It's been scientifically proven that homophobes are often closeted, self-loathing homosexuals themselves; ergo maybe these transphobes secretly want to be trans.
Then again I don’t care, you say it nicely but I think this is a non-issue completely.
Why are they so entranced by the trans people? I just don't get it. I guess they are just an easily identifiable focus for hatred. There are so few of them. Just leave the trans people alone. It's none of your business. God, I hate it here.
Because they're insecure about their own proclivities.
Nawleens big draw is trannys isn’t it? They draw big crowds and people have fun with it.
Where I live, we have Drag Queen Brunch and bus tours. It's all in fun. No one feels threatened. It's theatre.
When I was working as Miss Olga Hungova, I mainly did shows at gay clubs. I knew a lot of gay and trans people, my best friend of 50 + years was a gay man & my accompanist/ partner. I had friends get bashed
one was shot & killed. I am very strong ally. 🌈💙
There is a difference between trans and cross dressing. I think you are referring to cross dressing.
"There are so few of them." That's why they think they can get away with brutalizing trans people and suffer no consequences. They tried it with gay people in general but found out there are too many of us with too many friends and relatives.
they want a weak 'enemy' that's not gonna give them any grief back - ultimate bullying
Arne-their prefrontal cortex has quit functioning...
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Repressed prurient interests. Or perhaps curiosity. Are they FOMO? Maybe.
Why was Playboy a best seller for so many years? Why is internet porn so rampant? Why are strip club parking lots always full, even mid-day? Why are there billboards advertising "adult shops" along the interstates through the Bible-beating south?
Sex sells.
Great Joni Mitchell song !
It’s a culture war/religion topic that Trump has focused on so no one cares that he is a thief and a liar. People are easily triggered because they don’t understand what it is and imagine they do.
I just don't get why they feel threatened by it. Trans people aren't murderers. They aren't pedos. They just want to get on with their lives.
People don’t understand why and what trans are doing and it has to do with basic sex and identity. My belief is that the fear and hate is a very basic tribal thing. If we don’t understand it, and it sounds “foreign” , meaning strange or different, we need to stamp it out for the good of our own survival. It might be contagious. Our children might get it. All sorts of ignorant, unfounded fears surface.
They don’t understand that trans people are not doing this on a whim, they are acting on their own real needs and feelings that they were born in the wrong body.
My theory, and I am not a scientist but just an observer, is that we are all made up of and affected by chemicals. In the past 50 years, our species has rapidly contaminated the earth and our environment with plastics, pharmacological detritus, etc. That is everywhere. That contamination is affecting us sexually and adding confusion to how we breed.
In other words, nature wants us to go away. Or reduce our species back into a balance. I believe none of our sexualities is a choice, but rather a real chemical need. Trans people, gay people, cisgender people, people are only reacting to individual needs. Period. No blame. No wrong. No biblical implications. Just our species reacting to the world we have created.
Just my opinion…yours may be different.
Actually, that's my explanation for the increase in autism. The introduction of high fructose corn syrup (1976) and the increase in the use of plastics (1980s). Kind of coincides with the increase of diagnoses of autism since the Eighties.
Interesting
That's RFKJRs talking point.
That was interesting. I'm old. So many things that exist today did not exist when I was a child. I sometimes wonder if it is actual pollution or the pollution of social media. Who knows?
Many things existed, but were not discussed, when we were children.
And we didn’t have plastic and other pollutants imbedded throughout our bodies and in our brains…
I'm thinking about ADHD diagnoses. Now it seems like 70% of kids get that. Is it just a thing to sell drugs? Also, hyperactivity. I just don't get it. Kids are active, kids don't pay attention. This is news?
Or even perhaps an evolutionary response to the use of mass psychological manipulation in mass media through hard sexual identity delineations. The upping of wars of the sexes to sell more product. What if we all wore the same clothes or trainers ? Not great for the bottom line. Human beings depend upon complex evolving ecosystems of culture and physicality to survive. Any enforced narrowing down of this will engender a natural reaction. It is not just trans folk who question identifying within such seemingly arbitrary rigid sexual boundaries, plenty of us feel alienated by a mass culture pushing nothing but shallow consumerism. It is just ‘heretics’ like that are less obviously visible to the one dimensional mob.
Actual pollution of more chemicals. Social media didn't come into play until 2000. Oh, and cell phones, also 2000. Ever since, people have been noticing adolescent issues with communication.
Intersex science isn't about environmental chemistry. It's the way you are born. There are a myriad of sexual identities. Basic biology.
Yes, the "live and let live" saying seems to be ignored these days. What kind of person are you that has so much interest in other people's sex lives, which frankly, is mostly NONE of your. business (unless someone under 14 is involved)?
That is wisdom.
Jesus, please stop this white on white violence!! It's ruining the indoctrination!!
Oh, and also, if you wouldn't mind: PROTECT US FROM YOUR FUCKING FOLLOWERS!!
Just got Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, out of the library. (Can't afford to buy all of the books I read! )
I Can't WAIT to read it.
Love to Jeff and all of you still trying to hang onto your sanity!! It's damn hard but we can do it!!
My library has ordered it and I'll be one of the people to get it when it comes in.
I was the first! I'm so proud! ;-) LOVE the library. I also use them to get free audiobooks through Hoopla and Libby, for anyone who is also a fan. Can't wait to hear it again in John's voice!
Thank you from a librarian.
I've been a fan of the library since age 4, btw. Voracious reader since then, though I'm getting up there now and audiobooks are easier on the eyes... My parents both grew up in farm families--my Mom had high school, but not my Dad due to working on the farm. Kudos to them--they gave me a set of Childcraft Encyclopedias and indulged my reading hobby as much as they could afford to. Miss you M&D!
I've lived all over the country and one of the first places I always went was to the local library. I even have a paving stone at the library here inscribed: Linda C Huth Found Refuge in the Stacks. A birthday gift from my BF. I love to think it will be there long after I'm gone.
Thank YOU!! Love the librarians!! Not sure where you are, but are you having issues with books being banned or attempts to ban? (Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is where we are....) :-(
Thanks for reminding me I'll also want to hear the audiobook. I just reserved that too! It's in, but there's already a line.
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES...ALL OF IT!
And tell kilmeade to be careful...most people are just a stones throw away from becoming homeless, and with what trump is doing to the economy, some groyper out there who loses everything might just go looking for him.
It would be a legitimate act of self-defense.
Celeste good for you and quit with the tranny non-problem, but we have the most regressive and destructive sex based problem of all, widespread covers all political groups and is a world wide issue that refuses to get out from behind the curtain! Trannies can dance and sing still it doesn’t harm innocent children at all. Flip the script and get it back daily, survivors tell a heartbreaking truth.
I’m seeing posts on fb by my MAGA cousins. They fucking worship a racist, misogynistic bigot. They’re telling their fb friends to block them if they think what happened to Charlie Kirk was ok. I think I’ll block them knowing that they, the holier than thou Christians that they are, support a few shootings so they can still have the 2nd amendment.
I've been unfriended by at least one person already over this Charlie Kirk bullshit. Funny how the MAGA are the ones that do the unfriending. Wimps.
You know there must be ICE agents just itching to go on injection patrols.
We had an ASSASSINATION in Chicago this week also. The killer was an ICE agent. The death was and "I". . .IMMIGRANT. ICE agent not named and not arrested.
Indeed, there have been many assassinations and many more deaths directly inflicted by the thugs and their policies, and many more additional traumas inflicted to children, families, communities, and to this nation and the world. I cannot stand it, and cannot understand what hatreds would permit any people to tolerate even a sliver of this. But here we are. It’s overwhelming but we cannot simply let the nightmare wash over us. We must all do all we can even though we realize that it may not be enough.
There should be an honest cop observing every single one of them. They wouldn’t wear a mask and would wear a uniform and badge, and a service weapon.
Honest being the operative word.
Horrible, just horrible. Do we even know who is an ICE agent? Can people just make some bogus uniform, get a ski mask, and go out and kill people? I'm pretty sure that they can.
California just made it illegal for ICE agents to be masked. Yay!
Will they comply? We shall see. The question will end up in the supreme court and we know how they will rule. Bravo to California, anyway.
Murder book the masked killer!
Who was “assassinated”?
I suppose it was actually murder. There is currently great debate about the use of the word "assassination". It's just semantics. People still died so who cares what word is used?
Calling every murder an assassination dilutes the meaning of the word.
I understand. We can just call it murder and be done. It's all murder, in the end.
All because of Epstein's 50th Birthday Book...
Probably so. Then quickly followed by the release of 18,000 Epstein emails.
I wondered how long it would take them to start their eugenics program.
I can’t believe that the corporate assholes at Fox didn’t walk onto the set and haul Kilmead’s ass off on live TV. WTAF???
Nobody on set blinked an eye.
BELIEVE!!!
So. Governor Cox came out and said that Tyler’s roommate was a person transitioning and he’s cooperating fully and wasn’t aware of what Tyler was up to. It seems the governor just wants sooooo badly for the blame to somehow be on “others” that he’s become the mouthpiece for further division.
Why can’t we/they just denounce this hatred and unaliving? Because the right wants chaos at all costs and will never acknowledge that most of it comes from inside their own house. The hypocrisy is epic.
Cox was hoping for "a foreigner" so he could act on that. Scumbag.
It seems all MORMONS are MORONS.
They are definitely a weird group. I have worked with several and can confirm.
It is a cult religion based on the foolishness of one man. Oh, wait.
There's a lot of that going around these days.
A light bulb moment!!!
It's only really the religion. The people are great. Our accountant was a Mormon, and he knew religion was off the table, but we didn't drink, my husband was diabetic (no coke) and we had a very conservative lifestyle. Honesty, no cheating (the government) and we were best friends until he died. My parents went to him too and they were also best friends. He used to say we were "dry" Mormons, the lifestyle, but no religion.
OMG Kristy you said it. They already don’t believe in history, that is a big bubble.
It's all the inbreeding.
It's noteworthy that Cox went on national TV with these unsupported allegations shortly after a lengthy phone call with the Liar-in-Chief.
"Nosferatu McGoebbels. He’s so pumped about continuing to persecute the left, he’s excitedly gibbering with his voice pitched so high that bats trying to geo-locate are flying smack into walls." OOOOOOHHHHHHHH Thank YOU!!!!
Have you ever seen anyone with a more vacant soulless pair of eyes than Pee-wee German’s?