Trump continues to lie unabated. It's what he does. I felt bad for Joe, and I was afraid this is what would happen. But it just strengthens my resolve to double down, ignore the screech monkeys and stay the course. Dumpy can never hold power again. Never.
The festering orange pustule didn’t need any debate prep because his firehouse of lies is practiced over and over again at his stupid fake rallies. Everyday of his shitty damned life he is spewing the same spiel repeatedly without an ounce of remorse and has it down cold. Last night, with Biden’s cold, he wasn’t prepared to take on the pile on of lies that were spewing from the farting bag of garbage. It also seemed liked whoever was keeping time was stopping Biden when he was speaking or responding but did not cut the mic with Captain Demento. This debate debacle will pass and have the same useless impact that everything Biden has done has had, whether good or bad.
I find it interesting that now that this ‘anti debate’ is over the narrative is about how bad Biden performed and little about the overdone yam’s performance. My god there’s even a name for it ! He’s a fucking monster and just in case anybody forgot a 34X CONVICTED FELON with another 50 or so yet to be tried.
So Joe Biden stutters, no shit not news, he didn’t do well, so what ?
Joe was the only ‘human person’ on the stage last night the other was some psychopathic, syphletic animal who didn’t respond to ANY question and launched a torrent of lies and utter bullshit about post birth abortions, how great he thinks he is, also bullshit and whatever senile bullshit he has written in his tight little fantasy script. What about THAT performance ? It makes Steven King novels look like light hearted comedy romps. I’m horrified that this fucker is given the ability to run for the highest office when its been proven that he’s been and still is living a life of crime against humanity for his and only his benefit. WTF ?!
Panic is not the answer. Joe Biden or whomever the Democratic Party nominates has to be elected the next president. The republicans have sold their souls to follow the cancer that is donald trump and no third party candidate will be able to get the numbers because in reality they are an alternate that is not worthy. Joe gave a great speech today, he was vibrant much like his state of the union but he wasn’t being pressured and lied about by the bully that donnie is. You cannot leave the door open for him to spew his vitriol. This race is NOT over, its just starting. I for one like the odds of beating a convicted felon who cannot open his mouth without letting lies and untruths escape like a fire hose.
But -- & I say this sadly -- Trump was "smart" enough to guess that trotting out his "firehouse of lies practiced over and over again at his stupid fake rallies" was exactly all he needed to win a non-moderated debate. Did we really think that Jake & Dana were going to relentlessly call out every lie after lie after lie? Trump didn't.
Absolutely true,but how about this?? If a candidate refuses to answer your question,time to cut the mic!! Sure,Biden should of been prepared better for the torrent of lies,but CNN should of been prepared for the Republican tactic of never answering a direct question,and usually fly off to 'Democrat Derangement Syndrome',and that's exactly what Trump did.
I said the same, say "that is not an answer to the question", and ask the question once more. If they refuse to answer his opponent gets his next time.
No one should have thought that Jake & Dana were going to call out the lies because it was made clear before the debate that the moderators would not be doing any fact checking. That’s exactly why Donny demento really went hog wild with the lying even more than usual. Gish galloping at it’s finest.
He was. I was timing Agent Orange. He definitely got more than his share of time. As usual, he ran roughshod over the moderators who, unfortunately, were not up to the task. FU CNN!
The longer Trump talked, the longer I felt I was being verbally abused and bullied. And of course it was all lies, and I could only last about 15 minutes before I turned off the TV, so I didn't start throwing things at it in addition to yelling. Sure, I wish Biden had come across stronger, but maybe the more people who don't attend his rallies hear from Trump the more they'll remember what it was like having that asshole force himself on us every single day.
It seemed like more time because Trump was louder. If a guy plays bongos for a minute, and another guy crashes cymbals for a minute, it will seem like the guy who crashes cymbals had more time.
It was infuriating to watch Commander Crazy Pants blather on and on with non-stop lies, I vow to never waste my time on anything CNN offers because there wasn't ANY moderation and that orange pustule, now brown, was allowed to blather on and on with one lie after another, unchecked.
CNN completely dropped the ball. Controlling Commander Crazy Pants did NOT happen and it was a genuine disservice for the man who rescued us from his chaotic reign of horrors. Joe didn't need to earn my vote but I'm more resolved to encourage others that Joe is the ONLY choice, the orange pustule has dementia and another term of his ineptitude would be horrendous.
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We cannot allow an autocratic theocracy to take over this nation.
I’m really hoping that Joe can do a fantastic job on Friday in his 1on 1 interview with Stephanopolous.
I already heard the good comments from some of the Democrat governors who met with President Biden on Wed.
Fucking CNN is clearly in the tank for Trump and the rest of the media hyenas are howling. Tapper and Bash put on a disgraceful performance. Might as well be Fox.
I knew this was going to be a shitshow. So, I proceeded to buy some craft beer and watch Leslie Jones Live on Instagram give debate commentary. She was hysterical 🤣 😂 😆. She stated fuck CNN, especially Tapper. She will never do an interview with them. Trying to 'debate' with a malignant narcissistic psychopath is insane to begin with. They fucking gaslight you. King Shitpants will never stop being himself. His functional illiterate base will love him to the grave. This is about democracy. The Chattel Project is on the ballot.
It’s very disappointing to see Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe capitulate his support for Biden as the nominee - at this late hour! Conservatives always say that Democrats are scaredy cats, but these never Trumpers are totally freaking out without considering their own behavior. We must remain steady after a disappointing clusterfuck of a non-moderated fire hose of lies and attacks from the orange leaky asshole. It was scary watching it, but even a semi-comatose Biden is a billion times more worthy and sane than a pathological demented scumbag. The Fascist GOP will show clips of Biden on their disgusting NOT news propaganda shows and the same people that already watch them will see it. Now we have to regulate ourselves and really pitch in to make our case - Biden and the government around him will maintain democracy and women’s rights. The festering orange pustule and the 2025 Non-government will turn this country into an autocracy and treat women, minorities and other communities like prisoners.
It's a mistake to believe Scarborough is anything but a phony Democrat.
He plays one on TV because he and Mika make a literal shit-ton of money. I'm talking $8 million a year, EACH.
$16,000,000. That's a combined $307,000. A. WEEK.
No way on this green earth is Joe Scarborough a never Trumper. He would support Ted Bundy for President for $8,000,000 a year. He'd support Ronald Reagan's corpse for President for $8,000,000.
I can’t watch Fuks News even though I believe it’s not a bad idea to know what propaganda is being shoveled daily. This is slightly tolerable for a view inside the mind of old school Republicans and the upcoming election. I can’t recommend it to others, it’s just my way of trying to get a more comprehensive understanding.
MSNBC had a right to freak out. Optics matter. Communication skills matter. Biden's campaign royally fucked up. Net: Biden should be leading by a landslide. Trump should be boo'd everywhere he goes. But A.G. Garland sat on his little hands and did not hold people in high places accountable because he didn't want to appear political. You think A.G. Barr would have done that? ALL of those Jan 6ers in Congress who were running to get pardons should have been indicted. I'll bet you there's enough dirt on A.G. Barr to indict his ass. THEY knew they had broken the law. But unlike the post Civil War, they're back in power even though they tried to overthrow our government.
The stakes are high. Biden delivered to the people. HE did his job. A.G. Garland royally gave us this nightmare by not holding the criminals to account.
Actually, even worse than AG Garland, is moscow mitch mcconnell and his fucked up gang of repub clown show friends who all refused to vote for impeachment of #34 while they had the chance. I remember that he clearly said that the courts can deal with him. And, so here we are.
You’re correct, all except Lawrence O’Donnell. He expressed a mild amount of concern, which many of us did in the first few hours, but remained calm & logical. I was okay with it on day one, because I think a lot of them & us were just in shock, but as of Monday & definitely by today (Wed) it’s time for them to back off of the negativity & talk of “who’s going to replace him” nonsense.
The Dem governors who met with Joe today had good things to say & were clear that they were backing him.
At least on Wed evening, there was a 2 hour break in the Joe-bashing while Rachel aired her interview with Stormy Daniels. IMO the interview was quite good & I really feel sorry for Stormy as she has been on the receiving end of that vile creature’s, & his fan club’s hate & disgusting murderous threats for over 2 yrs now. Those sorry SOBs have even harmed her animals; shot her horse with a pellet gun or birdshot.
She is in dire financial straits due to all of this & been unable to work much bc anyone who employs her starts receiving threats. She’s on the verge of losing her home.
A friend of hers started a Go Fund Me for her & I plan to donate to it. I think it might be nice if those of us who appreciate her bravery in speaking up about what happened, & for testifying against the MFer, would donate to her & spread the word around that she needs help; if you’re able to.
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If you ever voted and declared Democrat or Republican it will be in court files (or at least somewhere in the courts). Then the people running just can ask for a list of registered (which ever party). I used to live in IL, if we voted in a Primary you had to declare which party. Not sure if it is still that way, but I hated that part because I wanted to vote for my local people. For instance for Judge or Circuit Clerk, Treasurer etc.
We just got home where we watched the debacle in a hotel in Philly, tonight we watched the pod save America guys, their midnight show from last night.
They did not blame Tapper and Bash. I was surprised and don’t hundred percent agree with them, ……..
Joe and his team set the whole thing up and then a deflated Joe Biden showed up.
I guess I am writing to you to say I agree with you about CNNN But Joe Biden and his team did not bring any fight to the game THAT they scheduled and orchestrated. Let’s hope for better nights.
One of the biggest ideas in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings is that no fight is ever won or lost permanently. But Americans want it to be wrapped up with a ribbon in 6 months. I think it is basically true that the embers of Civil War I have flared to life.
We ( Dems) were asleep for awhile concerning the courts. We’ve allowed the conservatives on the SC to allow all this dark money into politics with Citizens United. Now the rich can buy their politicians & their justices
Many of us saw it coming and tried to resist it 40 years ago. Very difficult to fight heavily-funded propaganda with a super gullible and misinformed populace.
Another historian on Substack definitely agrees with you, Heather Cox Richardson & her book “How the South Won the Civil War” was a real eye-opener for me. Damned sure learned way more about our history than what I was taught in small town south Texas.
Yep, this is the Civil War mentality all over again.
The Lincoln Project was quoting Churchill this morning. The Nazi's looked like they were winning for a long time, and Churchill was reminding the English that they hadn't lost yet, stay strong, and it would be their finest hour.
I don't know about you guys, but when I have a cold I'm in a total fog! And I'm way younger than Joe! It was a dangerous liar vs an good old guy president. I'll stick with the latter.
I said this elsewhere after the "debate" last night. Every Democrat crying and moaning about Joe's performance should take a very long walk off a very short pier. It shows an utter lack of awareness of what our opponent has been doing for weeks now. In fact ever since calling for a debate, the right has been pumping up the noise about Biden being on drugs to enhance his cognition and energy. So, exactly what do these whiny-babies think the right would do if Biden does show up and has plenty of energy?
That's right! They'd yell and scream and holler about Biden's energy being PROOF he's on performance enhancing drugs and that moron from East Cornhole Red State would have brought his idiotic "No Juicin' Joe" "legislation" to the floor this morning.
And those accusations would dog Joe until well after the election, because the right has spent so much time creating this character they call "Sleepy Joe", that when Biden shows the actual energy he does have, all they can do to convince their ignoramus base that the "Sleepy Joe" guy is really Biden and this energetic one is hopped up on energy drugs of some kind.
So, in one sense I'm glad Biden didn't come out full of energy. In another, I believe there are other debates scheduled, and if not, so what?!
This was a complete shitshow of an unmoderated shout fest in which one guy spouts nothing but lies, and the other looks like he's going slow, but is steadily listing out his accomplishments and what he intends to accomplish going forward.
With all due respect, Jeff - President Biden, in no way that wasn't related to his cold, had an off night.
From today's AP [partial] headline: "Debate takeaways: Trump confident, even when wrong..."
Translation: Though trump absolutely and clearly lied each and every time he opened his putrid mouth, spewing only falsehood, brazen deceit, and more lies - again and again - his appearance was that of a very accomplished liar, comfortable with every bit of his bombastic, ridiculous, fact-free litany of ever-increasingly egregious lies. No aspect of veracity was safe from his assault on truth. No previous quote could hide from denial. No former appointee or associate who had, [after seeing the truth of trump's vile incompetence,] turned against this horrible seditionist - was safe from trump's false labeling. Even after assuring all that he would pick, "...only the finest people...", these hand-picked [by trump] people have turned against him in a way, unprecedented through American political history.
How can anyone be surprised by this? How could anyone have expected anything less than exactly this kind of border-line psychotic, vicious falsity and deceit?
Hands down; President Biden mopped the floor with this sorry excuse of a man; an accused, tried, and convicted felon who belongs nowhere other than jail. Hands down, President Biden stuck to the truth of every matter over which he was questioned, while trump couldn't invent lies fast enough to cover his own abysmal record - so he, as always, refused to answer - coming nowhere close to accepting responsibility for absolutely anything at all. If President Biden had 15 minutes to unpack, dispel, and rebuke the pure evil spewing like sewage from a firehose from the rancid mouth of this despicable sub-human,- it wouldn't have been enough. And today, the feckless, gutless media, rather than focus on the lies, and fact-checking ferociously - instead choose, the cowardly, sky is falling, bullshit that they always do.
There were times last night that it felt like the end of the world. The President was clearly not at his best; and the orange monster was spitting out one bold faced lie after another. My favorite went something like this: Everyone agrees; every poll, every expert, that I was the BEST President ever. Scary. Literally everything the man said was a lie. I said it last night; the worst decision CNN made was to eliminate any live fact checking. CNN today, can't shut up about how bad Biden's performance was. Everyone now is saying Why didn't Joe point out the lies. I guess I was watching too closely but it looked to me like he did; but nonverbally, He scoffed, he laughed, he shook his head. My feeling was he thought live fact checking, even from him, wasn't allowed. The moderators sitting there like nothing was wrong, sent the message that Trump was right. To be honest; I'm not sure he has ever been truthful or right. He lied about late term abortion; he lied about most people wanting Roe v Wade overturned. He lied about everything to do with Jan. 6th including that Nancy Pelosi refused his help of the National Guard. And insisted it was a "small group" that went to the Capitol. He even said Biden was going to raise taxes and that he, Donald Trump, did not have the larger deficit. It just went on and on and on. He refused to answer key questions. On and on. I'll take Joe Biden on his worst day over a man who doesn't know how to tell the truth. I'll take Biden sleeping over the ridiculous, 37+ felonies, morally bankrupt, Gish Galloping POS any day.
He appeared to me to be physically unwell. A heavy cold, or some such. Nothing more nor less than human. AND, given his successes throughout this past term, I'm hardly likely to abandon him after ONE debate. He was at a disadvantage to begin with...HE cares about the truth, and his opponent does not.
hey jeff—i've been unequivocally doublin' and triplin' down for joe this past year and last night was scarring plain and simple.
this is the straight up vibe i get with regard to joe biden's real frame of mind right now... he needs to go back to being ‘uncle joe’… it’s truly what lights him up… he doesn’t DIG being THE MAN… Kamala digs being THE MAN… and that’s it’s own problem.
in other words... EGOS & PSYCHOLOGICALS are runnin' joe's show and that's not to run him down but to call some balls and strikes in the name of saving democracy's thinning ass.
i dunno, my 2017 bird-dogging trump's rump for 4 years on the twitter, friend... [the good ol' nightmare days, if you will]... any thoughts on my take?
It was awful. There wasn’t time to answer all his lies. And the newspapers and Democrats whining for a new candidate are nuts - it’s TOO LATE. It will all descend into arguing.
Biden has had our backs as president, and he has good advisors and experts.
Look so far as I'm concerned Joe Biden could have 10 "bad" nights and it still wouldn't cause me to drop him like a hot potato as those big time bozos at the New Quark Dimes did. Which I confess like the old girl dodo I am shocked me. But shouldn't have. It's like a rerun of the Hillary debacles they promoted which we all know: Benghazi, emails, and I (deliberately) forget one more, what? pink toilet paper? We keep paying the price of being a culture hooked on celebrity which often has little relationship to the real world except to promote (provoke?) oops (ooze) and aaahhs and mindless escapist entertainment. Nevermind content and consequences. Look folks a less than perfect performance ain't everything. These so called debates are mostly food (bait) for the masses. I assume readers of Jeff's Substack get it or they wouldn't be here. But American culture as a whole? It's just another version of snake.oil or a chicken in every pot which have been selling points in US elections forever. I made my points so I'll stop here. Thank you Jeff for helping to keep us sane and telling things like they are in such arresting and entertaining ways.
No question. Poor Joe was ill and not at the top of his game but he answered all the questions unlike that babbling lying horseshit artist and got stronger further into the circus. The only thing CNN did right was to have that 10 feet of separation. Not because of Joe's cold but in regards to that thing on the fibbing fart master's head that we know never got all of its shots. Newsom provided a big boost to Biden afterwards and it's not time for the media naysayers to start bombarding the airwaves and print with their usual negative bullshit.
Gavin Newsome's immediate post debate comments were comforting after Joe Biden's performance. He is set to speak soon in NC. MSNBC has a camera on the podium at 10am PST. I'm still 100 percent for Biden. @Lawrence points out, a POTUS never makes a decision in 2 minutes without staff & advisors being unable to provide info & input
Newsome could be the Democratic Party’s nominee in 2028. That’s why he’s getting in front of the cameras now. He’s got the experience as the Governor of the most populous state and looks presidential (and is not an old guy).
tl;dr — Joe Biden had an off night. it sucks but it's not the end of the world
Trump continues to lie unabated. It's what he does. I felt bad for Joe, and I was afraid this is what would happen. But it just strengthens my resolve to double down, ignore the screech monkeys and stay the course. Dumpy can never hold power again. Never.
The festering orange pustule didn’t need any debate prep because his firehouse of lies is practiced over and over again at his stupid fake rallies. Everyday of his shitty damned life he is spewing the same spiel repeatedly without an ounce of remorse and has it down cold. Last night, with Biden’s cold, he wasn’t prepared to take on the pile on of lies that were spewing from the farting bag of garbage. It also seemed liked whoever was keeping time was stopping Biden when he was speaking or responding but did not cut the mic with Captain Demento. This debate debacle will pass and have the same useless impact that everything Biden has done has had, whether good or bad.
I find it interesting that now that this ‘anti debate’ is over the narrative is about how bad Biden performed and little about the overdone yam’s performance. My god there’s even a name for it ! He’s a fucking monster and just in case anybody forgot a 34X CONVICTED FELON with another 50 or so yet to be tried.
So Joe Biden stutters, no shit not news, he didn’t do well, so what ?
Joe was the only ‘human person’ on the stage last night the other was some psychopathic, syphletic animal who didn’t respond to ANY question and launched a torrent of lies and utter bullshit about post birth abortions, how great he thinks he is, also bullshit and whatever senile bullshit he has written in his tight little fantasy script. What about THAT performance ? It makes Steven King novels look like light hearted comedy romps. I’m horrified that this fucker is given the ability to run for the highest office when its been proven that he’s been and still is living a life of crime against humanity for his and only his benefit. WTF ?!
👏👏👏👏👏I wish everyone could read what you wrote, between you and Jeff, you put everything in perspective.
Panic is not the answer. Joe Biden or whomever the Democratic Party nominates has to be elected the next president. The republicans have sold their souls to follow the cancer that is donald trump and no third party candidate will be able to get the numbers because in reality they are an alternate that is not worthy. Joe gave a great speech today, he was vibrant much like his state of the union but he wasn’t being pressured and lied about by the bully that donnie is. You cannot leave the door open for him to spew his vitriol. This race is NOT over, its just starting. I for one like the odds of beating a convicted felon who cannot open his mouth without letting lies and untruths escape like a fire hose.
Exactly!!
But -- & I say this sadly -- Trump was "smart" enough to guess that trotting out his "firehouse of lies practiced over and over again at his stupid fake rallies" was exactly all he needed to win a non-moderated debate. Did we really think that Jake & Dana were going to relentlessly call out every lie after lie after lie? Trump didn't.
Absolutely true,but how about this?? If a candidate refuses to answer your question,time to cut the mic!! Sure,Biden should of been prepared better for the torrent of lies,but CNN should of been prepared for the Republican tactic of never answering a direct question,and usually fly off to 'Democrat Derangement Syndrome',and that's exactly what Trump did.
I said the same, say "that is not an answer to the question", and ask the question once more. If they refuse to answer his opponent gets his next time.
No one should have thought that Jake & Dana were going to call out the lies because it was made clear before the debate that the moderators would not be doing any fact checking. That’s exactly why Donny demento really went hog wild with the lying even more than usual. Gish galloping at it’s finest.
I also thought Biden was getting less time
He was. I was timing Agent Orange. He definitely got more than his share of time. As usual, he ran roughshod over the moderators who, unfortunately, were not up to the task. FU CNN!
The longer Trump talked, the longer I felt I was being verbally abused and bullied. And of course it was all lies, and I could only last about 15 minutes before I turned off the TV, so I didn't start throwing things at it in addition to yelling. Sure, I wish Biden had come across stronger, but maybe the more people who don't attend his rallies hear from Trump the more they'll remember what it was like having that asshole force himself on us every single day.
It seemed like more time because Trump was louder. If a guy plays bongos for a minute, and another guy crashes cymbals for a minute, it will seem like the guy who crashes cymbals had more time.
I felt that, too. It seemed odd.
I thought it was me, but thought the same.
Yes! I thought so too, Lynn.
It was infuriating to watch Commander Crazy Pants blather on and on with non-stop lies, I vow to never waste my time on anything CNN offers because there wasn't ANY moderation and that orange pustule, now brown, was allowed to blather on and on with one lie after another, unchecked.
CNN completely dropped the ball. Controlling Commander Crazy Pants did NOT happen and it was a genuine disservice for the man who rescued us from his chaotic reign of horrors. Joe didn't need to earn my vote but I'm more resolved to encourage others that Joe is the ONLY choice, the orange pustule has dementia and another term of his ineptitude would be horrendous.
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We cannot allow an autocratic theocracy to take over this nation.
I’m really hoping that Joe can do a fantastic job on Friday in his 1on 1 interview with Stephanopolous.
I already heard the good comments from some of the Democrat governors who met with President Biden on Wed.
Joe activated his base… huzzah!😇🥹
Fucking CNN is clearly in the tank for Trump and the rest of the media hyenas are howling. Tapper and Bash put on a disgraceful performance. Might as well be Fox.
I knew this was going to be a shitshow. So, I proceeded to buy some craft beer and watch Leslie Jones Live on Instagram give debate commentary. She was hysterical 🤣 😂 😆. She stated fuck CNN, especially Tapper. She will never do an interview with them. Trying to 'debate' with a malignant narcissistic psychopath is insane to begin with. They fucking gaslight you. King Shitpants will never stop being himself. His functional illiterate base will love him to the grave. This is about democracy. The Chattel Project is on the ballot.
Leslie Jones is a national treasure!
He’s a sociopath to be sure
Oh man-I wish I knew about this!
Me too, I would have loved that!! 💙💙
I love her. Wish I had the creativity to look for other media in real time.
It’s very disappointing to see Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe capitulate his support for Biden as the nominee - at this late hour! Conservatives always say that Democrats are scaredy cats, but these never Trumpers are totally freaking out without considering their own behavior. We must remain steady after a disappointing clusterfuck of a non-moderated fire hose of lies and attacks from the orange leaky asshole. It was scary watching it, but even a semi-comatose Biden is a billion times more worthy and sane than a pathological demented scumbag. The Fascist GOP will show clips of Biden on their disgusting NOT news propaganda shows and the same people that already watch them will see it. Now we have to regulate ourselves and really pitch in to make our case - Biden and the government around him will maintain democracy and women’s rights. The festering orange pustule and the 2025 Non-government will turn this country into an autocracy and treat women, minorities and other communities like prisoners.
It's a mistake to believe Scarborough is anything but a phony Democrat.
He plays one on TV because he and Mika make a literal shit-ton of money. I'm talking $8 million a year, EACH.
$16,000,000. That's a combined $307,000. A. WEEK.
No way on this green earth is Joe Scarborough a never Trumper. He would support Ted Bundy for President for $8,000,000 a year. He'd support Ronald Reagan's corpse for President for $8,000,000.
and so on.
Oh good lord, a Republican from Florida? No wonder I don’t like that arrogant asshole & I don’t know how Mika puts up with him.
“Orange leaky asshole” 😝
Very well said!! 👏👏
I never watch Morning Joe. That would raise my blood pressure too high to start the day!!
I can’t watch Fuks News even though I believe it’s not a bad idea to know what propaganda is being shoveled daily. This is slightly tolerable for a view inside the mind of old school Republicans and the upcoming election. I can’t recommend it to others, it’s just my way of trying to get a more comprehensive understanding.
For me, it's a terrible idea to absorb a bunch of lying, instigating propaganda.
Lie with dogs, get up with fleas.
Thank you!
I have watched it a very few times, when my dogs wake me up too early.
I can’t stand the way he interrupts & talks over Mika all the time. She’s the one who needs to use Joe Biden’s line of; “Will you shut up man”
I gave up on CNN several years ago. They just went to the dark side and had no real news.
sadly. I remember like 30 years ago they were on their game. not now...
Ted Turner said his biggest regret was selling it.
MSNBC wasn’t much better. All the talking heads were freaking out, especially Joy Reid
MSNBC had a right to freak out. Optics matter. Communication skills matter. Biden's campaign royally fucked up. Net: Biden should be leading by a landslide. Trump should be boo'd everywhere he goes. But A.G. Garland sat on his little hands and did not hold people in high places accountable because he didn't want to appear political. You think A.G. Barr would have done that? ALL of those Jan 6ers in Congress who were running to get pardons should have been indicted. I'll bet you there's enough dirt on A.G. Barr to indict his ass. THEY knew they had broken the law. But unlike the post Civil War, they're back in power even though they tried to overthrow our government.
The stakes are high. Biden delivered to the people. HE did his job. A.G. Garland royally gave us this nightmare by not holding the criminals to account.
Actually, even worse than AG Garland, is moscow mitch mcconnell and his fucked up gang of repub clown show friends who all refused to vote for impeachment of #34 while they had the chance. I remember that he clearly said that the courts can deal with him. And, so here we are.
You’re correct, all except Lawrence O’Donnell. He expressed a mild amount of concern, which many of us did in the first few hours, but remained calm & logical. I was okay with it on day one, because I think a lot of them & us were just in shock, but as of Monday & definitely by today (Wed) it’s time for them to back off of the negativity & talk of “who’s going to replace him” nonsense.
The Dem governors who met with Joe today had good things to say & were clear that they were backing him.
At least on Wed evening, there was a 2 hour break in the Joe-bashing while Rachel aired her interview with Stormy Daniels. IMO the interview was quite good & I really feel sorry for Stormy as she has been on the receiving end of that vile creature’s, & his fan club’s hate & disgusting murderous threats for over 2 yrs now. Those sorry SOBs have even harmed her animals; shot her horse with a pellet gun or birdshot.
She is in dire financial straits due to all of this & been unable to work much bc anyone who employs her starts receiving threats. She’s on the verge of losing her home.
A friend of hers started a Go Fund Me for her & I plan to donate to it. I think it might be nice if those of us who appreciate her bravery in speaking up about what happened, & for testifying against the MFer, would donate to her & spread the word around that she needs help; if you’re able to.
And they’re boring! No personality shown on most shows
Yep. I just got a Trump fundraising email (how, idk!) saying that he “LOVES CNN”.
What a pathetic soul he is.
I’m with Biden-Harris ALL THE WAY!!!! We cannot allow a hateful liar and his hateful cronies back in the Whitehouse.
After whining for a week that he wouldn’t get a fair debate from CNN
Did you tag the email as ‘junk mail’?
Unsubscribed. Not sure how in the world I was subscribed in the first place.
They spam everyone. You did not subscribe, but like all spammers when you unsubscribe that tells them your address is a good one, that they then sell to everyone and anyone. Block and report as spam always.
Oh, great. Thank you for that information. I will take your advice.
If you ever voted and declared Democrat or Republican it will be in court files (or at least somewhere in the courts). Then the people running just can ask for a list of registered (which ever party). I used to live in IL, if we voted in a Primary you had to declare which party. Not sure if it is still that way, but I hated that part because I wanted to vote for my local people. For instance for Judge or Circuit Clerk, Treasurer etc.
Of course they are, he is ratings gold for their republican owners, and yes CNN is owned by republican horror-show Robert Malone.
https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column
We just got home where we watched the debacle in a hotel in Philly, tonight we watched the pod save America guys, their midnight show from last night.
They did not blame Tapper and Bash. I was surprised and don’t hundred percent agree with them, ……..
Joe and his team set the whole thing up and then a deflated Joe Biden showed up.
I guess I am writing to you to say I agree with you about CNNN But Joe Biden and his team did not bring any fight to the game THAT they scheduled and orchestrated. Let’s hope for better nights.
It's not over till WE say it's over.
As a professional historian I know it is normal for important phases of history to go on for decades.
The NAACP was founded in 1909. Brown v Board of Education decided in 1954. Civil Rights Act in 1964.
THAT phase of US history is still being written. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
And remember, this marathon is never over. If you are still running, you are winning.
As a student of history I try to take comfort in the long view, but sometimes it's really difficult.
One of the biggest ideas in Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings is that no fight is ever won or lost permanently. But Americans want it to be wrapped up with a ribbon in 6 months. I think it is basically true that the embers of Civil War I have flared to life.
We have been fighting a civil war since the beginning of this country. We are once again in the middle of one.
We ( Dems) were asleep for awhile concerning the courts. We’ve allowed the conservatives on the SC to allow all this dark money into politics with Citizens United. Now the rich can buy their politicians & their justices
Many of us saw it coming and tried to resist it 40 years ago. Very difficult to fight heavily-funded propaganda with a super gullible and misinformed populace.
Add it to the list of things the Dems have to end when they take both houses, right behind impeaching Thomas and Alito.
The Democratic Party did nothing to wake people up to the threat of a fascist Supreme Court, and now it's too damn late.
I agree. It has been more and less heated as the decades have progressed.
I fear we're at the "The South shall rise again" stage. I'm going to renew my passport.
I agree, it's been smoldering for decades. The Civil War never really ended.
Because, just like on 1/6, the elite plotters weren’t prosecuted
see: Heather Cox Richardson's "How the South Won the Civil War." As Sun Tsu would say, we won the war, but failed to win the peace.
I jumped in & mentioned HCR book before I saw your comment. One of the best books I’ve read this year. I’m constantly recommending it to others
I do the same thing all the time!
Bingo.
Another historian on Substack definitely agrees with you, Heather Cox Richardson & her book “How the South Won the Civil War” was a real eye-opener for me. Damned sure learned way more about our history than what I was taught in small town south Texas.
Yep, this is the Civil War mentality all over again.
Especially when the SCOTUS seems determined to turn all progress back to the 1700’s
More like the 12th century, pre-Reformation, to keep the Catholics on the Court happy.
The Lincoln Project was quoting Churchill this morning. The Nazi's looked like they were winning for a long time, and Churchill was reminding the English that they hadn't lost yet, stay strong, and it would be their finest hour.
Thank you. You might want to send a note to Joy Ried.
And Claire Mccaskill and Joe Scarborough.
Like that surprises me!
And Joe was an arrogant prick to Mika, who was sanely protesting it was rash to abandon Biden for one bad night.
He's always abusive to her. I don't know what she sees in him.
Much as I prefer MSNBC hosts to any other cable station, they can also be guilty of the too-quick take.
Seems everyone is fond of the 24 hour news/outrage cycle.
That's why I cut the tv off years ago. currated feeds of insightful writers is a better way to stay informed.
She was ridiculous last night
I don't know about you guys, but when I have a cold I'm in a total fog! And I'm way younger than Joe! It was a dangerous liar vs an good old guy president. I'll stick with the latter.
I said this elsewhere after the "debate" last night. Every Democrat crying and moaning about Joe's performance should take a very long walk off a very short pier. It shows an utter lack of awareness of what our opponent has been doing for weeks now. In fact ever since calling for a debate, the right has been pumping up the noise about Biden being on drugs to enhance his cognition and energy. So, exactly what do these whiny-babies think the right would do if Biden does show up and has plenty of energy?
That's right! They'd yell and scream and holler about Biden's energy being PROOF he's on performance enhancing drugs and that moron from East Cornhole Red State would have brought his idiotic "No Juicin' Joe" "legislation" to the floor this morning.
And those accusations would dog Joe until well after the election, because the right has spent so much time creating this character they call "Sleepy Joe", that when Biden shows the actual energy he does have, all they can do to convince their ignoramus base that the "Sleepy Joe" guy is really Biden and this energetic one is hopped up on energy drugs of some kind.
So, in one sense I'm glad Biden didn't come out full of energy. In another, I believe there are other debates scheduled, and if not, so what?!
This was a complete shitshow of an unmoderated shout fest in which one guy spouts nothing but lies, and the other looks like he's going slow, but is steadily listing out his accomplishments and what he intends to accomplish going forward.
I'll stick with guy Number 2 tyvm.
With all due respect, Jeff - President Biden, in no way that wasn't related to his cold, had an off night.
From today's AP [partial] headline: "Debate takeaways: Trump confident, even when wrong..."
Translation: Though trump absolutely and clearly lied each and every time he opened his putrid mouth, spewing only falsehood, brazen deceit, and more lies - again and again - his appearance was that of a very accomplished liar, comfortable with every bit of his bombastic, ridiculous, fact-free litany of ever-increasingly egregious lies. No aspect of veracity was safe from his assault on truth. No previous quote could hide from denial. No former appointee or associate who had, [after seeing the truth of trump's vile incompetence,] turned against this horrible seditionist - was safe from trump's false labeling. Even after assuring all that he would pick, "...only the finest people...", these hand-picked [by trump] people have turned against him in a way, unprecedented through American political history.
How can anyone be surprised by this? How could anyone have expected anything less than exactly this kind of border-line psychotic, vicious falsity and deceit?
Hands down; President Biden mopped the floor with this sorry excuse of a man; an accused, tried, and convicted felon who belongs nowhere other than jail. Hands down, President Biden stuck to the truth of every matter over which he was questioned, while trump couldn't invent lies fast enough to cover his own abysmal record - so he, as always, refused to answer - coming nowhere close to accepting responsibility for absolutely anything at all. If President Biden had 15 minutes to unpack, dispel, and rebuke the pure evil spewing like sewage from a firehose from the rancid mouth of this despicable sub-human,- it wouldn't have been enough. And today, the feckless, gutless media, rather than focus on the lies, and fact-checking ferociously - instead choose, the cowardly, sky is falling, bullshit that they always do.
Thank you Jeff. The bed wetting is off the charts crazy today. Appreciate the sober perspective.
There were times last night that it felt like the end of the world. The President was clearly not at his best; and the orange monster was spitting out one bold faced lie after another. My favorite went something like this: Everyone agrees; every poll, every expert, that I was the BEST President ever. Scary. Literally everything the man said was a lie. I said it last night; the worst decision CNN made was to eliminate any live fact checking. CNN today, can't shut up about how bad Biden's performance was. Everyone now is saying Why didn't Joe point out the lies. I guess I was watching too closely but it looked to me like he did; but nonverbally, He scoffed, he laughed, he shook his head. My feeling was he thought live fact checking, even from him, wasn't allowed. The moderators sitting there like nothing was wrong, sent the message that Trump was right. To be honest; I'm not sure he has ever been truthful or right. He lied about late term abortion; he lied about most people wanting Roe v Wade overturned. He lied about everything to do with Jan. 6th including that Nancy Pelosi refused his help of the National Guard. And insisted it was a "small group" that went to the Capitol. He even said Biden was going to raise taxes and that he, Donald Trump, did not have the larger deficit. It just went on and on and on. He refused to answer key questions. On and on. I'll take Joe Biden on his worst day over a man who doesn't know how to tell the truth. I'll take Biden sleeping over the ridiculous, 37+ felonies, morally bankrupt, Gish Galloping POS any day.
He appeared to me to be physically unwell. A heavy cold, or some such. Nothing more nor less than human. AND, given his successes throughout this past term, I'm hardly likely to abandon him after ONE debate. He was at a disadvantage to begin with...HE cares about the truth, and his opponent does not.
hey jeff—i've been unequivocally doublin' and triplin' down for joe this past year and last night was scarring plain and simple.
this is the straight up vibe i get with regard to joe biden's real frame of mind right now... he needs to go back to being ‘uncle joe’… it’s truly what lights him up… he doesn’t DIG being THE MAN… Kamala digs being THE MAN… and that’s it’s own problem.
in other words... EGOS & PSYCHOLOGICALS are runnin' joe's show and that's not to run him down but to call some balls and strikes in the name of saving democracy's thinning ass.
i dunno, my 2017 bird-dogging trump's rump for 4 years on the twitter, friend... [the good ol' nightmare days, if you will]... any thoughts on my take?
It was awful. There wasn’t time to answer all his lies. And the newspapers and Democrats whining for a new candidate are nuts - it’s TOO LATE. It will all descend into arguing.
Biden has had our backs as president, and he has good advisors and experts.
Ya dance with the guy what brung ya.
Thanks, Jeff. I needed to hear it.
Look so far as I'm concerned Joe Biden could have 10 "bad" nights and it still wouldn't cause me to drop him like a hot potato as those big time bozos at the New Quark Dimes did. Which I confess like the old girl dodo I am shocked me. But shouldn't have. It's like a rerun of the Hillary debacles they promoted which we all know: Benghazi, emails, and I (deliberately) forget one more, what? pink toilet paper? We keep paying the price of being a culture hooked on celebrity which often has little relationship to the real world except to promote (provoke?) oops (ooze) and aaahhs and mindless escapist entertainment. Nevermind content and consequences. Look folks a less than perfect performance ain't everything. These so called debates are mostly food (bait) for the masses. I assume readers of Jeff's Substack get it or they wouldn't be here. But American culture as a whole? It's just another version of snake.oil or a chicken in every pot which have been selling points in US elections forever. I made my points so I'll stop here. Thank you Jeff for helping to keep us sane and telling things like they are in such arresting and entertaining ways.
Thank you for being the voice of sanity Jeff. You are worth every bit to subscribe to.
THANKS!
Thank you for putting some perspective out there. I’ll take the decent old guy with a cold over the raving demented liar any day of the week.
No question. Poor Joe was ill and not at the top of his game but he answered all the questions unlike that babbling lying horseshit artist and got stronger further into the circus. The only thing CNN did right was to have that 10 feet of separation. Not because of Joe's cold but in regards to that thing on the fibbing fart master's head that we know never got all of its shots. Newsom provided a big boost to Biden afterwards and it's not time for the media naysayers to start bombarding the airwaves and print with their usual negative bullshit.
Gavin Newsome's immediate post debate comments were comforting after Joe Biden's performance. He is set to speak soon in NC. MSNBC has a camera on the podium at 10am PST. I'm still 100 percent for Biden. @Lawrence points out, a POTUS never makes a decision in 2 minutes without staff & advisors being unable to provide info & input
#RidenWithBiden
Well said Teri.
Newsome could be the Democratic Party’s nominee in 2028. That’s why he’s getting in front of the cameras now. He’s got the experience as the Governor of the most populous state and looks presidential (and is not an old guy).
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has also been mentioned.
Yes, an excellent choice for our Prez in 2029.