Do you really think that the people who voted for that thing actually read the NY Times? He got the same number of votes he received in 2016 and 2020. Harris received 10-15 million votes fewer than Hillary or Biden. The Democratic Party suffered a major fail here.
That, and this is truly a racist, misogynist country. Don't blame the media--although they're not blameless. America is sick.
Based on back when I still subscribed and read the comments, yes, I do think some of the NYT readers voted for Trump. And, their headlines make international news. As Robert Hubbell wrote, they have the largest reach of any news media in the world. So, their headlines make news.
Anyplace other than here right now. I do not want to hear any complaints about the food prices and housing market when old Donold puts tariffs in place on everything from MAGAS! As my parents used say “you made your bed now sleep in!” 🥲
News alert! Americans just can’t go to Canada to stay. They only are accepting medical professionals and educators right now. Otherwise, you must leave after a week or so. Canadians don’t want our racism or sexism.
Americans can come to Canada for 182 days just like Canadian snowbirds go to the US for up to 182 days. You won’t be able to work, but your dollar is worth a lot more than the $CA one - so if you’re retired look into it. The current exchange rate is $1.38395 and our health care and drug costs are a lot cheaper than in the US. You will have to purchase health out of country insurance prior to coming and you’ll have to learn to say “eh” after each spoken sentence, eh. 😉
One thing about Democrats Abroad I have found people who know a lot about living in the country, that helps you in that new country. You should look into joining it.
If you come as a visitor to Canada, you don’t forfeit your SS or Medicare. I don’t know how much Medicare provides you with out of country coverage, so you would likely have to obtain private out of country health insurance supplement. That’s what I did when I spent time away from 🇨🇦. Your SS would be worth more in $CA as our current exchange rate against the greenback is $1.38395. Immigration to Canada is being curtailed and it is open for those whose credentials are in high demand, I.e. professionals in high tech, AI, nursing. Our population is rife with retired baby boomers, so it looks like that slice of potential immigrants is at the back of the queue. Best for you to consult an immigration lawyer. Sorry that I can’t be more helpful.
I don’t believe that the US has a particular reg that prohibits an American citizen’s time out of country to 180 days. Canada allows citizens from most countries to stay in Canada for 6 months, but best for you to check the US immigration website for more up-to-date information.
If you've had a DUI or drug arrest, I don't think Canada will let you in. It won't solve my problem anyway. All my retirement money is either SS or n my 401K. No point in going to another country when I still am dependent on income from the US. I'm a nurse and no way do i want to keep working until I'm 80 even if Canada needs nurses.
My only reason to get away and think. I have a home in Turkey. I have a condo here.
I can stay there for 180 days. According to GlobalCitizen. After that I need a visa and all sorts of things to provide to the proper authorities to live there.
It’s more of a grieving process for me.
So I have properties I can sell. But I’m uncertain of what I’m going to do.
Right now I’m grieving for what was once my country and our form of government as a constitutional federal republic.
I'm up here too, and as appalled as you are. I've been battling demonstrations to "protect our children" and the creep of privatization in our healthcare. I'm now convinced that democracy and kindness are in danger everywhere.
Beyond belief that people would vote for this fascist, perverted felonious fuck over a pro democracy, intelligent black woman who would've represented everyone. I'm also appalled that men of color in those rural counties in the south could cast their votes for a racist bastard who could care less about them and their families. I'd like to think there's still hope for the House and this insane asshole won't have his way with his proposed beyond barbaric policies. My wife just told me I should back off on my posts since I could possibly be a target. She may be right but at this point in time, we have to stay strong, positive and continue to fight this MAGA insanity.
If you were paying attention you'd realize it wasn't "beyond belief" at all. Look at the rise of Hitler or Mussolini for proof. The poor state of education in America is responsible for Americans' ignorance of history and the lessons we were meant to learn.
Trump convinced people that it was the Democrats' fault that inflation happened despite the pandemic causing disastrous rises in prices all over the world. He made white people feel threatened by immigration. He lied so often that people believed him. This is why he won.
And the press fell down on the job spectacularly, sanewashing and both-sidesing the hell out of every moment of the last 10 years. They said "that's just Trump being Trump" over and over again. Last night just before midnight I turned on ABC news only to see some pointy-headed fuck pontificating about Trump's "extraordinary ability to read the tea leaves" in a claim that Trump is oh so intelligent, oh so shrewd, and oh isn't he fascinating? Voters were fed this kind of trash every day, and we all know psychology enough to understand that if people hear something repeated often enough, they'll eventually believe it. Pair that with our culture's adoration for rich people, the combination of Trump and Elon Musk was irresistible to the great unwashed.
This goes back at least 50 years. The conservative movement and the goal of capturing the bible belt rube vote started there. There was a rise in evangelist grifters on tv, the rise of so-called Christian radio. There is now an entire network of these radio stations and it's not all gospel music. There are a bunch of them spewing nonsense like Taylor Swift is a demon and in league with Satan, the liberal universities' gender studies programs teach students how to have gay sex, Full-term babies are being murdered in delivery rooms . Schools are giving kids sex-change operations. People have been raised on this crap. for years. My hairdresser told me that "Christian radio does not lie!!" So there's that. The listeners are truly sheep in every sense. These radio networks are run by "non-denominational" right wing, conservative people whose headquarters are in Geneva. It's not just here. They are in Canada, US, Mexico, and South America as well as Europe. The only place they don't broadcast is Switzerland. Then we have conservative media, and basically all media that is afraid to stand up to conservative billionaires. All of this constant misinformation every day for decades, coupled with the dumbing down of education, book banning etc. and all backed by the richest white men in the country. Truth is bad, woke is bad, liberals are evil, immigrants are scum, women should obey men, slavery was good, Also climate change is a hoax and science is bullshite.
So in other words, if Christian radio doesn't lie, they believe Trump never lies. As well stated in the Mel Brooks film, Robin Hood Men In Tights, " people of Sherwood, you've been had".
This took decades to achieve. MAGAs are tenacious. I feel like I'm mourning today. And I'm becoming more angry. Not that anyone cares. Angry that Biden didn't decide not to run months before. I feel if we would have nominated a male, he would have won. Especially angry at some naturalized citizens came here and want to ruin our country (Musk, Thiel and Adelson). Also, how many naturalized Latinos voted for him? I get you came here for a better life, but then you vote for a racist that hates Latinos. Remember the speech after the elevator in 2015? You purposefully vote to destroy your adopted country. Same with African American men. He is openly a racist and talked about immigrants from Haiti eating our pets. Do all of you hate women that much??? That is the absolute height of misogyny. To vote for a man who will destroy our country because you can't vote for a woman? It's disgusting. When he comes for you, and he will, no sympathy here.
The percentage of the black male vote that trump got didn’t really change from 2020 - 12% & 2024 - 12/13%
The biggest change was in the Latino vote. Trump won most with white males, white women, & Latino males.
But mostly Democrats lost because we have become perceived as educated elites who look down on the working class. It’s not true, but that’s how we’ve become to be perceived.
The other reason is the wealth gap, too many people have too little & they are angry & unfortunately they are blaming the wrong people for that situation.
Democrats are going to have to take a hard look at the DNC & what/who they choose to support with their money.
Republicans bought radio stations & pumped their message out to long haul truckers, people on their daily commutes, etc., shouldn’t Democrats do the same?
Exactly why the GOP constantly votes in favor of defunding education. Their goals are based on keeping them stupid and uninformed. As far as my beyond belief statement goes, you would think that folks would have clue about the atrocities that took place under Hitler and Mussolini. This election tho, they flat out didn't even care to remember.
I was born after WWII. My parents were teenagers then. That was 80 years ago. Considering the fact that most WWII veterans are dead, the war was not on our soil and many Americans had no family in Europe under Nazi rule, and the voting public is young enough to not even have known their WWII relatives, it's not surprise that many don't pay a lot of attention to it. When I've been to Europe and Eastern Europe, the Nazis and Communists are still fresh in their minds. How many Americans have been to a concentration camp? Many haven't been out of their state.
Fox News' brainwashing was another factor. Put it all together and this is what you get from an electorate who has been befuddled and gaslit for years too long. But it's the mainstream media I blame most. They could have saved the country but instead they both-sides their way into what must now be complete irrelevance for most of their pundits and a potential landslide of firings. They deserve what's coming to them. It's the populace whom I feel sorry for.
Dude, you're among a whole shit-ton of fellow travelers here. If nothing else, we're providing a little bit of cover for all us who like to complain at length about fascism and individuals that are a peculiar shade of orange.
Same here. And the fascist wave is here and growing. Absent a miracle, the Conservatives will win the next Federal election and Poilievre will become Prime Minister. He is a Harper puppet, and Harper is the head of the IDU (and endorsed Trump, congratulated Orban on his re-election). I've often wondered why so little attention is paid to the IDU.
As a Canadian I’m trying to figure out what I can do for all of my family in the states. There are several who are at high risk of “these republicans” and their hate.
Even though you seem to be having your own issues, you're better off than we here in the US. Can your family join you there? I understand and sympathize with your concern about some family members.
Same… it’s been riveting and heartbreaking as a Canadian watching and knowing this is very likely what’s coming for us. I’ve been framing this as Putin has finally won the Cold War for the USSR. What a long game. It’s very disturbing in ways most MAGAts will never understand.
I feel angst. I feel rage. I am terrified. What the fuck? The country voted for hate. The country voted to never vote again. People were so fucking stupid they voted against their own goddamned interests.
I feel absolutely sick for President Zelensky. After all he's done to try to save his people and it'll be like it's all been for nothing. Putin must be dancing.
I feel sick for us all. I dread the future. I pity the young most of all.
How much more can the Palestinians endure? IS the Israeli government going to "wipe Palestine off the map" as some military leaders are expressing as their wish/goal?
I'm afraid that is coming. The one big issue I couldn't stomach from Biden was his support for Israel. I have no quarrel with the people, juts their government. Although, like this shithole country, perhaps they also got the government they wanted.
It's a tragedy, but you and I can do nothing about it. How do you think Ukraine feels this morning? All that death and destruction for nothing when Russia takes over Ukraine.
Israel is protecting itself from terrorists. Do you not think they have the right to try and get back the Hostages? Over a thousand innocent people murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped by the Palestinians. And the number that the Palestinians give for their "injured & dead" have NEVER been confirmed. It is only numbers given by the terrorists themselves
We’re a nation of idiots and opportunists. The maga opportunists will insist on loyalty in the red states. You will see more fear because the people who could check him are afraid of him too. As evidenced by Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg. That’s the part that terrifies me.
I've been thinking about this. About two weeks before the election all of a sudden the billionaires became all antsy and nervous. I'm not one for conspiracies but at the time I was like "what do they know"? Now I'm thinking there was something to it.
Both publishers have other business with the government and didn't want to let a less-profitable asset in their portfolios, a newspaper, get in the way of the real money to be made.
There's probably room for you Cajuns to come back to Acadian Canada . It's really nice along the coast . People are really nice , you can practice your French and check out your ancestors !! A little cold , but not to bad .😊😊
I wonʻt be able to watch the news because I never want to hear his fʻing voice again or see his fʻing face again. I also wonʻt be able to read any mainstream media because they are complicit in this.
They definitely have been complicit in normalizing all of the horrible things he says & does. They’ve assisted him to move the line of what is considered morally acceptable in a “leader” & in society at large.
He is losing it, that’s clear. How fast is yet to be seen. His appearance on his way to vote showed him wiped out. Why was Melania wearing sunglasses indoors?
I'm not sure the project 2025 crowd won't hustle him away once he's inaugurated to a sanitorium somewhere & put JDipshit in charge, along with that other skipping dipshit. (JD is the choice of Musk and Thiel, so I'm thinking they're pretty much in charge.)
Part of the "Trump woman" look that will come back - long hair down to the tits, tight dresses, trout lips, and, of course, heels so high you can't run from predators.
Oddly enough, I'm feeling rather calm. It's going to be interesting to see if trump and his minions can put Project 2025 into action. After all, as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
Don't be despondent. If his second term is anything like his term, he won't get anything done except corporate tax cuts. And that's standard Republican procedure anyway.
I figure they’ll just offer him a shit ton of money to “retire, due to health issues.” No one will ever know what health issue it is, he’s never released any of those records so far, he’s not going to start now.
What difference does it make whether it's Trump or the people behind him? Shitty, hurtful, prejudiced policies effect people the same regardless of who enacts them. And I'm damn sure he'll sign awful legislation passed by the R controlled House and Senate.
An acquaintance who was deeply angry about Biden's support for Netanyahu refused to consider that Trump would be worse. Her view, as a non-white, has been that maybe a Trump regime would show white people what it's been like for non-whites all these centuries. (Of course, she'll still get it worse.)
I get it. I’m an old white woman & I despise my govt (Not just Biden) providing so much unequivocal support for Israel. Obama warned them not to keep expanding their settlements onto Palestinian land, they did so anyway & there were no consequences; there are never any consequences for them breaking our laws or International law.
That is false. Read the history of Israel and the "Palestine" nomadic peoples. Israel was legally granted the land; but the Arab nations refused to grant Israel's existence and attacked Israel from day one in 1948. The land was the property of Israel; won fare and square after Israel had to go to war after the Yom Kipper War. READ!
while I still refuse to think consciously about the results in any detail, my mind is busy making lists in the background: books I need to find in electronic form so I can get them onto a server out of the country, deciding between Colorado and applying for Canadian citizenship, planning for the loss of all social services... maybe even restarting the book I worked on for several years that is set during the early years of the Texas Republic.
(Got to a point in research where I needed to hit up several TX libraries in person, whose collections aren't online and which all have early documents not available elsewhere. It's a novel that began when I was reading up on the Allen brothers, who founded Houston -- the first of many real estate developments on the spot; they named the settlement after the military hero who was the first President of the Republic and saved Texas from Santa Anna. And then, less than a year later, one of the two brothers died of malaria. Not much has changed.)
See? my mind appears to be nattering along on its own, coming up with all sorts of useful distractions. When I have to face the awful thing that's happening, don't know if or how I'll fall apart, but as Scarlett observed, tomorrow is another day.
well, it is kind of interesting in the sense that we live in interesting times. Not mentally engaging and emotionally neutral, just unbelievably stupid and disastrous. Of all alternate realities, this may be the worst. With Republicans in charge, the earth's oceans will be dead in a few decades and most of the people will be, too.
That’s where I am right now Marie. When I’m not actively crying, I’m just numb with disbelief, in abject despair; I don’t even have the wherewithal to get angry yet. Hopefully I can start pulling myself out of the depths of despair & get angry & ready to start the fight back by Friday.
One of the things I saw suggested, that I will do, it shift the money I was donating to campaigns, & give it to abortion access funds in FL & other states with strict bans.
Yes. We’ve been talking about that too. My husband has joined a group called Protect Democracy. Their goal is to prepare legal work to file lawsuits against anticipated Trump executive, orders on immigration, abortion, and anything they try. They’ve been working on this for a while. Not sure how their work compares to ACLU.
This probably goes without saying, but I'm totally down with Trump getting punched in the face. JDumbass too. Actually, I'm not sure there are any of the MAGAts I wouldn't like to include.
I'm old enough to remember that during the Vietnam protests, the attitude of a whole lot, possibly the majority of people, was "Love it or Leave it." As long as Trump only punishes dissenters on issues where they agree with Trump, they'll go along, until there's an issue where they disagree with Trump, when it will be too late for them.
I was up with a Democrats Abroad zoom group that started at Midnight CET, and went until 8 am. I did not last that long on the call, but did not sleep a restful sleep in the bits where I slept. I
It will be hardest for Biden to have created such a great economy only to know it will be totally destroyed quicker than you can say Jack Rabbit. Biden dared to undo Reaganomics and most of the US knows so little history, economic or otherwise they just could not see what we can see which is that it was great. Too bad. It is such a let down.
In the history books, if our planet survives this, what will they say?
The ancient Roman may have asked, how did empire fail? And Hemingway’s classic line may apply to the Roman as it does today: “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.” We may end, but history goes on.
The history books written by true historians, will have accolades for Biden and curses for Trump. As someone said, wisely;when you put a clown in a palace you get a circus!
Veronica, I am going out on a limb here, and make the prediction that what the history books will say about Trump and JD Vance, who I predict will take over from him, is that these inexperienced and incompetent fascists led to the Fall of the American Empire.
Civil war has always been the Uber-wealthy plan, which side the military would take isn’t exactly clear though!! I find it’s probably best to leave, before the dictator for a day begins his retribution attack on civilians he finds not in his liking Anne!!
Awake all night- checking phone. The only good news for WI is Tammy Baldwin beat the California kid. Sitting in Philly airport at moment-flight back to RED WI! What the hell?
I’m here as well and very embarrassed to admit!! This shit state can go straight to hell!! I’m getting out of Wi. That’s for sure! This is maga central!
I am too numb to cry. I suspect we just went through or last election - at lease in my lifetime. This is going to affect the whole world. I just can’t fathom this.
I'm grim and disgusted for what this is going to do to Americans, including the fools who voted for Trump, but it's a catastrophe for people in Gaza and Ukraine.
Democracy hasn't failed us...WE have failed us. We need to put our democracy back together. Means working in the background to do so...are we all ready to do this???
I hope I am. But everything Trump stands for is anti-Democracy. And as soon as his head finally goes underwater in his dementia, Vance will take over and he will be worse.
I’ve been wanting to form a resistance army for months. Maybe years. It won’t be long before expressing dissent and disgust online will be dangerous. Old fashioned snail mail might be safest for awhile. Choose your pen pals carefully and try and form an army. That’s what I’m gonna try. I’m not rolling over to these fuckin sicko’s.
We start with a few people we know. Personal conversations. Exchange of ideas, sometimes snail mail addresses. Find out who’s willing to die fighting. Who’s willing to fight for real. I respect the choice of those who don’t want to, or are afraid to. But don’t waste your time and energy on them. Find the fighters. I’m one. I may not safely ever find you specifically, but networks can grow. I have relatives in other states I can count on. If we form the grassroots on the ground networks they will inevitably grow and connect. But also remember that compartmentalization is a good safety measure. For now. I look forward to the day when we all rise up and overrun the oligarchy. But we have a lot to do in order to be effective. It won’t be for the faint of heart.
I'm with you. I'm one, too. But I have to go and weep now. I thought the Blue Wave will wash us clean. But it has to be tears. In may case anyway. The tears will have to bring clarity and resolve, whatever that will come to mean. We will see.
The rise of an oligarchy in America, just like the robber barons back during the “golden age” is what brought us to this place. The people we have elected to represent us, Rs & Ds both guilty, gradually let their own greed sell us out to the wealthy & giant corps.
They kept getting their taxes cut again & again until a rate of 70% is now about 21 - 23% & they cheat using obscure tax rules to end up not even paying that. They have allowed companies to merge or buy out others with almost zero enforcement of anti-monopoly laws. So now they profit massively off the bounty of this country & its people, without contributing back in proportion. The super rich & big corps have done all this to the extreme detriment of the poor, the low-wage workers, & all the way up to the upper edge of the middle class.
We must demand better from those we elect to represent us in the Democratic Party. Money & greed have led us to this place, we have to correct that somehow.
I went to sleep early last night, because although things weren’t looking great, I assumed that they wouldn’t be able to call the election for a few days at least. Woke up around 4:30 AM, found my phone to check the time, and saw the news alert that TFG had won.
It was 2:30 am for me. I refused to watch any election results knowing that it would most likely be late. I woke up to many messages on my phone. I'm heartbroken for our country. I hurt for the women of reproductive age and for Ukraine.
Imagine a country where the polio virus has more right to life than schoolchildren or pregnant women. We can't stop fighting and resisting, in ways big and small.
I crashed early and the last I looked I saw what I hoped was the red mirage. I woke up this morning, and had about the same reaction as you. What the absolute fuck!!! I am beyond depressed. I served this country for 5 years as a Navy Corpsman, and never thought this would happen here.
I went to bed at 2 and woke up before 7. It’s taken me this long ti check my email. And only did do that I could check for your newsletter. I’m absolutely despondent—bordering on catatonic. I honestly don’t know how we’ll recover from this.
Making plans to bolt from the impending fuckery we’re about to experience in this country, you should to! Knowing that you are definitely have a target on your back… my think tank pals, of former defense contractors have similar thoughts for obvious reasons!
Was it threats of violence that made those that would vote not go out and vote? Her numbers are lower than Biden's and it's the same fucking horrible candidate to vote against.
I too checked my phone at midnight and have been awake since.
I get to figure out what to tell my kids. "Look, they just hate women, ok?" What a dismal goddamn conversation.
Those are just the start. Once it is demonstrated in Ukraine that the principle of respecting borders is gone and annexationist aggression will be rewarded, the post-WWII period of relative peace is over, and we return to a war of all against all, like in the early 20th century but with more destructive weaponry.
My take on the election: America bought itself a million dollar bag of hopium. Fantasy beats reality any old day. The big man told 'em, “Don't you worry now, I'll take care of everything." Ronald Reagan was a movie actor; Trump is better, he played a billionaire on TV.
Harris was way more popular than Biden..he won by almost 8 mil…yet all of the phenomenal enthusiasm for Harris resulted in fewer votes? Nope! Something is terribly wrong here and we should not let this go unchallenged!
I’ve been wracking my brain. All signs seemed to suggest landslide. All the women pissed off by Dobbs. New enthusiastic Gen Z voters. Huge crowds. Republicans jumping ship. For the life of me this doesn’t make sense. And I’ve had this calm sense all along that she would win.
Same here. It doesn't compute. And we knew that Putin and Musk had their hands in it and that there would be some underhanded shit going on. We have known since 2016 that people are being manipulated by Russian psyops via social media. The oligarchs that control the R party are not above messing with our elections, and they have access to whatever technology they need. But then, I had that feeling in 2000 and again in 2016, and here we are again, and it seems like we are powerless to address the underlying causes of this disaster. So depressing.
You're damned right this doesn't compute! I'm hoping that we'll see some very deep dives into all the election details once the novocaine wears off, our numbness fades, and our full rage blooms. We must get answers.
It really makes no sense. Not getting into conspiracy here, but I keep reading that women didn’t turn out and the Dem GOTV effort wasn’t strong enough. How is that possible? It doesn’t track with any of the info that we’ve been getting in any sphere.
I’m 74, and in my long life I have never seen women support women. A lot did, but obviously many didn’t. Even Black men voted for Trump. That’s how much men fear strong women. I’m not surprised. Men stick together — the bro club. Women do not.
Trump told us he did not need votes. Most certainly Trump and his monsters did something sinister. With near unlimited funding from Putin and other autocrats, not to mention Elon Musk and his ilk, Trump ran a harder, smarter, and faster ground game than we did, but they kept it quiet. No doubt they cheated, threw votes away, sabotaged voting machines and the like. But we will find no fingerprints. We will lack the heart to fight back. And fighting back will be futile. Our only recourse is the Supreme Court -- and Trump owns that. Not to mention owning Congress as well. And, he has immunity -- as if he even needs it now. What we have left are words. And whatever material things we can hang onto in the long run and which we must share with one another as Trump comes for us, one enemy at a time.
I reviewed election results until 8pm PST, turned to a soothing rain app, and went to bed early. I woke-up early and mused over what a 2nd Trump presidency would mean-after all, he told everyone what he would do “from day one”. Imagined the dystopian wasteland awaiting us, the enthusiastic brownshirts enforcing his rules and tattling on their neighbors, the mad incarcerations, the camps, the devastated economic environment, the continued eroded government, unfettered racist law enforcement, no department of education, no EPA, dirtier air and water, toxic food and vegetables, and trump presiding as a figurehead for it all.
It took a while to push myself to go back to rest.
Finally went back to sleep, got-up to read a few postings, then numbness and crushing disappointment.
Moving forward to making exit plans.
The US will become exactly (and more than) what Project 2025 laid out.
I thought about this too. He got about 3M votes less than last time but Kamala got 15M less vote than Biden. Where’d they all go? Don’t want to be like the other side and declare fraud or conspiracy, but someone should explain why? Did they just not vote again? State laws changed and disenfranchised some people? Hard to believe this many people didn’t turn out again. I realize if was easier to vote in 2020 due to COVID but something’s not computing
I think a lot of it is just ignorance. They're completely misinformed because he's been gaslighting them. The first thing he did in 2016 was teach them not to trust any media. So they reject facts and ignore what's happening around them.
And we need a movement of people like us who attend services and record any politicking from the pulpit. Though I doubt the IRS would do anything. Criticizing "religion" is the third rail.
I think we're way past time for a Lysistrata type movement by women. Don't respect or like women? No sex for you. Especially useless bastards who are premature ejaculators (aka selfish), erectile dysfunction blue pill dependents, and generally cold, joyless fucks.
I guess we should never underestimate misogyny and racism. Also, many progressives were not voting or voting for 3rd party candidates as "punishment" to Biden/Harris for Gaza. Throwing out the baby with the bath water.
There are 13 million missing votes as far as I'm concerned and I'm not hearing ANYONE talk about voter suppression which has been the long game for GOP for decades. It's all in the numbers, not the percentages. 68m people are in alignment with truth and reconciliation, the same 72m as last time are not. Where are the 13 million Dem votes not counted since last election? We need to answer that question first. Second, my white women suburban voters...were you lying to pollsters and your friends when you said you were voting for Kamala and voted for your own privilege instead? Let's see those raw numbers, show me when Ann Selzer has been so wrong (and Trump knows she's the most reliable pollster in the country- he's happy but surprised that she was wrong and by a huge margin). Wtf. And, they can't do all that stuff on the ground without stepping over us first. Ghandi showed how it's done. Digging heels in, channeling my past life in the French resistance, developing my one liners to respond to anyone in any context defending family separation that they are morally bankrupt, but nicely like southern people say bless your heart. Taking stock of which family and friends are true and those who betrayed themselves as ok with the unnecessary suffering of others for their own comfort and benefit. Figuring out how I'm going to be useful in the public sphere when I can't physically go anywhere to rabble rouse. What I am noticing is that I don't see much gloating going on, so I suspect people know better, they aren't in a hurry to admit they don't care about the suffering of others if it interferes with their personal privilege. That's their problem to reconcile with their God and explain to their children. I'm not ceding any ground today about any mandate for destruction. I don't see the mandate, it's a GOP manufactured mirage.
You may not be going anywhere (and I appreciate you for it), but I am out of here as soon as I can manage. I am too old to fight anymore and do not want to die under Trump.
As am I . Where are you thinking of going to? I can go to Canada until I make up my mind. I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with this country but I cannot believe this election is on the level of.
Portugal appears to have the easiest conditions for a temporary visa, although you have to keep renewing it for 5 years before you are eligible for permanent status. I explored Portugal in January 2017 but decided to come home: it looked nice, and doable (English is commonly known in the cities; if you know any Romance languages you can read Portuguese well enough for signage and menus, although the spoken form is impenetrable; rents are low in the northern parts of the country although the south is pricier) but I didn't think Trump's first term was going to be quite as disastrous as it proved.
Thank you. Is there an expat community already there? My daughter is Latina but speaks Spanish and has been learning French.
Portuguese is a difficult language even to listen to.
My daughter is in LA and she’s going through a frightening night after she saw TFG won.
Ireland is advertising, on different media. I think instagram is where I see it. But it’s expensive and it seems to me it’s not what I want although I always wanted to see Ireland. All the countries I’ve visited have all spoken different languages but they have English as a second language nowadays.
The expat community is much more Brit than Yank, but yes it is fairly sizable. Portuguese is not as close to Spanish as you would think, at least in the spoken form, though I find the written form quite comprehensible.
I'd like to live in England for a few years (family heritage) even though I know they have their share of woes. At least I could soak up the rainy weather (love it) and the historic aspects. But it would burn through a lot of my retirement savings. Anyone ever do Trusted Housesitters?
I just don't understand the American people or the process. All I can come up with is that money matters more than freedom and that people are not ready for a woman president.
I do think also that the electoral maps have a huge part to play in this utter disaster.
Jeff, I hope you have a Plan B. Love you, but now I'm worried about how much time is left for you to speak truth. I'm grieving for our country. I'm worried for the good people trying to keep America alive.
The fascists didn’t win anything but the booby prize. When the American experiment breaks down, we’ll have the last laugh through our tears. I’ll always be a member of the Resistance. It’s the least I can do.
There is no action. Don't think for a second that Harris and the Dems will fight the election results the way Trump did. They don't have it in them. Instead, use your energy, skills, and resources to help each new group Trump targets. Think -- warm blankets, coats, food, batteries, generators, money, etc. Help the children who will be separated from parents. Help the ill and the old as they wil be vulnerable and will lose their Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. And buy guns and ammunition. The other side is already armed.
I have a full day of work and deadlines ahead of me, but my phone is blowing up. People are really distressed. My husband and I have already decided we’re moving out of Florida. I’m 66 years old and I didn’t think the end of my life would look like this.
We sold our place in FL last spring & returned to New England, where we have friends & neighbors who support democracy, don't hate women & can't stand Trump. Another plus is that we don't have to worry about our house being destroyed by a hurricane or the horrendous cost of homeowners insurance.
My wife and I live in Washington DC, which is overwhelmingly Democratic. We, too, have friends like you. We feel safe from Republicans here, although Congress has oversight of us. What we fear is that Trump has us in his crosshairs. He hates us. We don't know what to do.
Just sold our home in Florida and moved back to my home state of Michigan. Maybe not as blue as it should be but my county went for Kamala so at least my neighbors aren't assholes. So glad to be outta Florida tho
Good for you! I am a native and life long resident of New Orleans...the place Jefferson called an island. We will remain the blue island in the sea of pathetic red that is Louisiana and fight the good fight!
Congratulations on a great decision. I moved out of Florida in 2019 because I got sick of seeing Confederate flags everywhere. I moved to the Buffalo area, and I am so much happier. It’s beautiful here, and there is so much to do. We have beaches, too, without hurricanes, sharks, red tide, and amoebas that swim up your youhoo. And New York just made reproductive rights a permanent part of our state constitution. Taxes are high, but housing is affordable. Please join us here.
I am 74. I worked in the Harris Campaign as a support home for a staff member. I canvassed every weekend with another friend, also 74. I never imagined my so called golden years would be under a dictatorship.My heart is broken. Like Jeff, I feel betrayed by my fellow countrymen.
Years from now people will learn this election was the first successful trial of a new weapon that created a mirage of collective consciousness. Under its spell people saw record numbers of voters, enthusiastic crowds, adversaries crossing lines to save the country then POOF — the drug wore off, leaving scorched earth in its wake and a madman with an enemies list and a cadre of evil minions in charge.
The GOP and their Republican counterparts have been pushing this plan for decades, it’s finally happening Samantha. Our next move will determine the fate of democracy!
Jeff. You keep me balanced because you make me laugh and curse at it all . Thank you.. .from an old Southern lady who is a screaming liberal from the Sixties.
After getting only about 2 hours of sleep, I was watching my local morning news show to get the weather (Chicago here). I think it’s very telling that all 3 anchors and the meteorologist were all wearing head to toe black.
Project 2025 does away with the National Weather Service and NORAD. No one will know when a storm is headed their way. I read meteorologists are al scrambling to download data, etc. Nightmare is just beginning.
The weather work will still go on, it will just have been sold off to an oligarch which will charge for the privilege of knowing when and where the storm will hit.
Songgirl, I just turned the news on WGN…I had to see orange shit face but when they went back to the anchors, sure enough…they’re wearing black! Makes me feel good. We will be using our solidarity to refuse to cooperate.
My sister is a teacher. She texted me to say that a lot of teachers wore black today & there were many tears. I wore black as well. It will be my uniform fir awhile. Went to lunch with my bestie & she couldn't even talk about the election. And all I wanted to do was talk about it. At lunch, an older couple sat next to us & they were talking about the election. I wanted to move to their table so I could commiserate with them. They voted for Kamala. They said they survived Trump before, but weren't sure they could do it again. 🤔
I didn't watch news for three and a half months after the last trump election. When I wanted something "live" instead of canned, I became intimately familiar with the Weather Channel and QVC. And audiobooks in the car, or the vintage radio dramas on Sirius.
I am so ashamed of my fellow democrats. How the fucking fuck did 30 million of us decide not to fucking vote. They qte as responsible for this as much as the fucking bootlicker fascist fucks
Biden got 81 million votes in 2020. Trump got his same 71 million votes in 2024 but even without California’s votes Harris only had 66 million votes! So where did 10 million Democratic votes go?
Musk bought Twitter two years ago (at a loss, which he's willingly sustained) and turned it into his personal oligarchic fascist mouthpiece to be a MAGA influencer. All the while, consulting with Putin.
Either 10 million people refused to vote for a woman. OR the right figured out a way to steal enough votes so trump would not lose the popular vote. You know how he hates being a loser. The inauguration will probably have record crowds too, either paid for or photoshopped. Lies and more lies
Can't argue, it has to be a significant factor; as Holmes said, "Once you eliminate the impossible, what remains however improbable, must be the truth."
They ran an exemplary campaign.
But 30 million are not all males. That's the thing I don't understand.
Every accusation is a confession with Trump/MAGA. Remember how they just kept on about the election being rigged ? They were announcing what they were going to do, hence Bannon’s ‘we’ve got this’ comment. I believe it goes further and deeper than vote rigging. The global corporate media have just been too compliant and fast to celebrate this Trump return to office for comfort.
People are more ignorant, depraved, mean, and stupid than we thought. I'm horrified, shocked and heartbroken. More determined than ever to get the hell out of Texas.
Lorraine Morton - I agree with you. This doesn’t feel right to me. I have been up all night, unable to turn off my brain. I feel sick, angry and wondering if we can afford to move out of the country. We rely on social security that we earned and Medicare that we have been paying into for years. I don’t quite know what to do with myself. Topping it off is today is our 36th wedding anniversary and I do not feel like celebrating.
More likely we’ll be shoved into “advantage plans” that don’t cover anything. Private companies managed health care. When SS runs out in 6 years or whatever, it’s gone.
Are the Elon Musks of the world all banking on us seniors who rely on SS and Medicare being in a position that we have no other choice but to see our houses to them so we can make it through on the equity and when the equity is gone we live on the street? These are the scenarios my husband and I have been mulling over in the event the 🍊💩 got back in the WH. Shame on every trump voter, some of whom are family and friends!
I can relate on your anniversary now being associated with a terrible day. We celebrated our 37th anniversary on Jan 6, 2021. Forever a day that will be a dark day in our country’s history just as this election will be a dark day.
I will be 62 in May and was making plans to retire then; after 46 years in the workforce it would be nice to take it easy in the garden and do some traveling. Guess I'll be hunched over the company laptop in my basement "office" for a while yet.
My husband & I are on reliant on Social Security & Medicare as well. We might have to sell our house, but rent is a lot more than what we pay for our mortgage. We worked hard for many years to get to retirement. My husband is almost 76 & I am almost 68. I don't want to work. I have been working since I was 15. My husband worked for his dad as a young teen. Trump is unfit for office.
I expect they're going to start with the Dreamers, because they know where those folks are and Miller's gang will all get stiffies from the cruelty of sending people back to countries they haven't seen since they were toddlers.
It’s why Orwell wrote Animal Farm. The formerly oppressed, when they get a bit of power, wield it to make sure they are no longer the oppressed, but in order to do that, you need someone new to oppress.
Second generation immigrants don’t want to be associated with newer immigrants and the problems (real or perceived) that they bring, so they turn on them.
There certainly are more conservatives in the center of the country. But there are still many that voted for him in GA, FL, TX, the Carolina’s, etc. Regardless, they didn’t elect some run-of-the-mill conservative candidate. There will very likely be real life consequences affecting a whole lot of these people. That point had been driven home for months yet it seemingly had no effect.
I haven’t slept - my stomach is in a knot. I feel numb. America is so fucked. And the people who voted for this have no idea what’s about to happen to them.
i can get a passport in about 4 days for about $668 but the thing is going to a country is not allowed to stay on a permanent basis. Just temporary.
unless once I get there, I can cozy up to the consulates office and plea with them in person, on site. Then the next step, finding an affordable place... oh my what a mess.
I entirely understand this. I have a stash of pills set aside for that day if they ever find where I am hiding out and come for me over here. I wish you protection and light whatever you decide and the same for your furry friends and their new guardians. I would miss your kind online presence 🐈⬛
You are valuable Charles! Each of us is. No one is a parasite. We are living, breathing people who are currently very upset. Pls promise you won't act rashly.
I get it. But no. Permit me to say that you could not have outlived your usefulness. Rather, it's the idea of usefulness that needs to change. Into what? I'm not sure just yet. I'm letting my despair and dismay teach me something useful for a change.
Charles, NOO!! You are part of our tribe here! Hoping you weren't serious. We will figure out ways to exist within this and other communities. I would miss you. 👫👫👫. WE would miss you, your cats like you too!
A little over half of the voters decided to elect a party that would rather beat you down than lift you up. Where is there to go from here? We now fight to keep the ramparts from being breeched any further. Local, county, state elections are where we need to focus over these next four years. Turn them blue one by one.
I feel like someone has died. Just grief at so many Americans who are sexist, racist, selfish, greedy rubes. I thought amErica was better than that.
I live in Europe. I always thought of it as a temporary thing, but we will never come back to the USA now. We are elderly and the fascist shit won’t get fixed in our lifetimes. America is dead to me as well as the assholes that voted that deranged son of a bitch into office.
I was just talking with my friend who has several sorority sisters who have taken jobs in other parts of the world and they said they will not be back.
I went to bed last night before Wisconsin was called, but Georgia had been, and was I just sad that over half of Georgians are fine with denying medical care to pregnant women and letting them die if they have a complication. And apparently 55% of Texans are also fine with it.
They found the perfect way to "solve the immigration problem": become a country no one wants to live in. How did we manage to go from peace, love and brotherhood to full Fascist just in my lifetime?
I think we always knew it. We just held out hope that we were wrong. The irony is that nothing really matters anymore because the plans of the new regime will doom the entire planet. I think we can all accept the fact that humans were not a great addition.
I fell asleep at 10:30 last night, and got up at 1am to use the bathroom. I made the mistake of checking my phone and ... I haven't slept a wink since
I haven't slept and I'm Canadian.
Perhaps I’ll see you in Canada. I need to leave before the borders are closed. I just don’t know how to be happy at all anymore.
Cue the NYT (may they rot in hell) article on explosion of passport renewals and website traffic to Canada's "So you want to move to Canada" page.
The NYT plays a large roll in this turnout. Sulzberger did Putin's and Trump's work for them. He deserves a special place in history.
And in Hell
Or a special place in hell.The msm is directly responsible for this horror show.
Do you really think that the people who voted for that thing actually read the NY Times? He got the same number of votes he received in 2016 and 2020. Harris received 10-15 million votes fewer than Hillary or Biden. The Democratic Party suffered a major fail here.
That, and this is truly a racist, misogynist country. Don't blame the media--although they're not blameless. America is sick.
Based on back when I still subscribed and read the comments, yes, I do think some of the NYT readers voted for Trump. And, their headlines make international news. As Robert Hubbell wrote, they have the largest reach of any news media in the world. So, their headlines make news.
Agree Linda!
Anyplace other than here right now. I do not want to hear any complaints about the food prices and housing market when old Donold puts tariffs in place on everything from MAGAS! As my parents used say “you made your bed now sleep in!” 🥲
I'm already in Canada. Dual citizen. I'm numb right now.
I'm in Germany. Dual citizen.
i'm in Mexico, permanant visa
News alert! Americans just can’t go to Canada to stay. They only are accepting medical professionals and educators right now. Otherwise, you must leave after a week or so. Canadians don’t want our racism or sexism.
Americans can come to Canada for 182 days just like Canadian snowbirds go to the US for up to 182 days. You won’t be able to work, but your dollar is worth a lot more than the $CA one - so if you’re retired look into it. The current exchange rate is $1.38395 and our health care and drug costs are a lot cheaper than in the US. You will have to purchase health out of country insurance prior to coming and you’ll have to learn to say “eh” after each spoken sentence, eh. 😉
I’m ready! This is not my America any longer!! Done!! I am retired and get social security and Medicare.
Do you know how all of that works in Canada? Thank you!
One thing about Democrats Abroad I have found people who know a lot about living in the country, that helps you in that new country. You should look into joining it.
If you come as a visitor to Canada, you don’t forfeit your SS or Medicare. I don’t know how much Medicare provides you with out of country coverage, so you would likely have to obtain private out of country health insurance supplement. That’s what I did when I spent time away from 🇨🇦. Your SS would be worth more in $CA as our current exchange rate against the greenback is $1.38395. Immigration to Canada is being curtailed and it is open for those whose credentials are in high demand, I.e. professionals in high tech, AI, nursing. Our population is rife with retired baby boomers, so it looks like that slice of potential immigrants is at the back of the queue. Best for you to consult an immigration lawyer. Sorry that I can’t be more helpful.
Only trouble is drump threatened social security.
You cannot use Medicare outside the U.S., but your SS will continue.
Someone told me that the length of stay has recently been decreased to 90 consecutive days. If it's 182 days, that would be fantastic!
I don’t believe that the US has a particular reg that prohibits an American citizen’s time out of country to 180 days. Canada allows citizens from most countries to stay in Canada for 6 months, but best for you to check the US immigration website for more up-to-date information.
?? One week?? I don't think so!
God do you think they would close the borders?
Yes I do. The Canadian borders will be first because Canada is the safest place to go now. I can do it in my car 8 -9 hours to Toronto.
If you've had a DUI or drug arrest, I don't think Canada will let you in. It won't solve my problem anyway. All my retirement money is either SS or n my 401K. No point in going to another country when I still am dependent on income from the US. I'm a nurse and no way do i want to keep working until I'm 80 even if Canada needs nurses.
Never had a DUI. I don’t drink alcohol.
My only reason to get away and think. I have a home in Turkey. I have a condo here.
I can stay there for 180 days. According to GlobalCitizen. After that I need a visa and all sorts of things to provide to the proper authorities to live there.
It’s more of a grieving process for me.
So I have properties I can sell. But I’m uncertain of what I’m going to do.
Right now I’m grieving for what was once my country and our form of government as a constitutional federal republic.
Today is my day to weep and think.
You would still receive SS, and your 401K funds are accessible to you anywhere you live. You can do it!
and once you get there, do you have sustained income to afford a place to live, if you can even find a place? or are you already established there
Canada has strict income requirements for foreigners to reside there.
Who knows with that goofy bastard!! Anything is possible with him and his friends, Putin etc.
Just be ready to fight the same battle here.
Me too. I’m looking at Australia or Portugal
Does Australia seem to be a possibility?
Or, as you mentioned, Portugal. Places with a decent amount of expats there.
I've been very (pleasantly) surprised by how many people recommend Portugal as a place of refuge!
I'm up here too, and as appalled as you are. I've been battling demonstrations to "protect our children" and the creep of privatization in our healthcare. I'm now convinced that democracy and kindness are in danger everywhere.
Beyond belief that people would vote for this fascist, perverted felonious fuck over a pro democracy, intelligent black woman who would've represented everyone. I'm also appalled that men of color in those rural counties in the south could cast their votes for a racist bastard who could care less about them and their families. I'd like to think there's still hope for the House and this insane asshole won't have his way with his proposed beyond barbaric policies. My wife just told me I should back off on my posts since I could possibly be a target. She may be right but at this point in time, we have to stay strong, positive and continue to fight this MAGA insanity.
If you were paying attention you'd realize it wasn't "beyond belief" at all. Look at the rise of Hitler or Mussolini for proof. The poor state of education in America is responsible for Americans' ignorance of history and the lessons we were meant to learn.
Trump convinced people that it was the Democrats' fault that inflation happened despite the pandemic causing disastrous rises in prices all over the world. He made white people feel threatened by immigration. He lied so often that people believed him. This is why he won.
And the press fell down on the job spectacularly, sanewashing and both-sidesing the hell out of every moment of the last 10 years. They said "that's just Trump being Trump" over and over again. Last night just before midnight I turned on ABC news only to see some pointy-headed fuck pontificating about Trump's "extraordinary ability to read the tea leaves" in a claim that Trump is oh so intelligent, oh so shrewd, and oh isn't he fascinating? Voters were fed this kind of trash every day, and we all know psychology enough to understand that if people hear something repeated often enough, they'll eventually believe it. Pair that with our culture's adoration for rich people, the combination of Trump and Elon Musk was irresistible to the great unwashed.
This goes back at least 50 years. The conservative movement and the goal of capturing the bible belt rube vote started there. There was a rise in evangelist grifters on tv, the rise of so-called Christian radio. There is now an entire network of these radio stations and it's not all gospel music. There are a bunch of them spewing nonsense like Taylor Swift is a demon and in league with Satan, the liberal universities' gender studies programs teach students how to have gay sex, Full-term babies are being murdered in delivery rooms . Schools are giving kids sex-change operations. People have been raised on this crap. for years. My hairdresser told me that "Christian radio does not lie!!" So there's that. The listeners are truly sheep in every sense. These radio networks are run by "non-denominational" right wing, conservative people whose headquarters are in Geneva. It's not just here. They are in Canada, US, Mexico, and South America as well as Europe. The only place they don't broadcast is Switzerland. Then we have conservative media, and basically all media that is afraid to stand up to conservative billionaires. All of this constant misinformation every day for decades, coupled with the dumbing down of education, book banning etc. and all backed by the richest white men in the country. Truth is bad, woke is bad, liberals are evil, immigrants are scum, women should obey men, slavery was good, Also climate change is a hoax and science is bullshite.
Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society - they play the long game. Accelerated by Reagan's attacks on public ed.
Absolutely. Right on. I could have written this myself.
Hey didn't start in Bible belt. Priest in Indiana? Ohio started it.
So in other words, if Christian radio doesn't lie, they believe Trump never lies. As well stated in the Mel Brooks film, Robin Hood Men In Tights, " people of Sherwood, you've been had".
This took decades to achieve. MAGAs are tenacious. I feel like I'm mourning today. And I'm becoming more angry. Not that anyone cares. Angry that Biden didn't decide not to run months before. I feel if we would have nominated a male, he would have won. Especially angry at some naturalized citizens came here and want to ruin our country (Musk, Thiel and Adelson). Also, how many naturalized Latinos voted for him? I get you came here for a better life, but then you vote for a racist that hates Latinos. Remember the speech after the elevator in 2015? You purposefully vote to destroy your adopted country. Same with African American men. He is openly a racist and talked about immigrants from Haiti eating our pets. Do all of you hate women that much??? That is the absolute height of misogyny. To vote for a man who will destroy our country because you can't vote for a woman? It's disgusting. When he comes for you, and he will, no sympathy here.
The percentage of the black male vote that trump got didn’t really change from 2020 - 12% & 2024 - 12/13%
The biggest change was in the Latino vote. Trump won most with white males, white women, & Latino males.
But mostly Democrats lost because we have become perceived as educated elites who look down on the working class. It’s not true, but that’s how we’ve become to be perceived.
The other reason is the wealth gap, too many people have too little & they are angry & unfortunately they are blaming the wrong people for that situation.
Democrats are going to have to take a hard look at the DNC & what/who they choose to support with their money.
Republicans bought radio stations & pumped their message out to long haul truckers, people on their daily commutes, etc., shouldn’t Democrats do the same?
For right now, I’m not done crying. 😢
Don't forget Rupert Murdoch
Exactly why the GOP constantly votes in favor of defunding education. Their goals are based on keeping them stupid and uninformed. As far as my beyond belief statement goes, you would think that folks would have clue about the atrocities that took place under Hitler and Mussolini. This election tho, they flat out didn't even care to remember.
I was born after WWII. My parents were teenagers then. That was 80 years ago. Considering the fact that most WWII veterans are dead, the war was not on our soil and many Americans had no family in Europe under Nazi rule, and the voting public is young enough to not even have known their WWII relatives, it's not surprise that many don't pay a lot of attention to it. When I've been to Europe and Eastern Europe, the Nazis and Communists are still fresh in their minds. How many Americans have been to a concentration camp? Many haven't been out of their state.
Fox News' brainwashing was another factor. Put it all together and this is what you get from an electorate who has been befuddled and gaslit for years too long. But it's the mainstream media I blame most. They could have saved the country but instead they both-sides their way into what must now be complete irrelevance for most of their pundits and a potential landslide of firings. They deserve what's coming to them. It's the populace whom I feel sorry for.
Right on Mary!!
Nailed it.
Dude, you're among a whole shit-ton of fellow travelers here. If nothing else, we're providing a little bit of cover for all us who like to complain at length about fascism and individuals that are a peculiar shade of orange.
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I'm going to share your comment. You said it perfectly.
This is the age of oligarchy. Also why we can't have nice things like democracy.
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Yes.I am still in shock.We will have to try to lift each other up and to be kind in a country filled with hatred.
I am in mourning.
You ảe absolutely correct!
Same here. And the fascist wave is here and growing. Absent a miracle, the Conservatives will win the next Federal election and Poilievre will become Prime Minister. He is a Harper puppet, and Harper is the head of the IDU (and endorsed Trump, congratulated Orban on his re-election). I've often wondered why so little attention is paid to the IDU.
WHOA!! That's the first I've heard of him/this! Oh, of course! The corporate media isn't writing about it. Surprise, surprise.
I know. I keep mentioning it as a threat worldwide but nobody is paying attention.
Germany and Britain have struggled with right wing takeovers and street violence for years.
IDU stands for?
International Democracy Union
Right wing organization
As a Canadian I’m trying to figure out what I can do for all of my family in the states. There are several who are at high risk of “these republicans” and their hate.
Even though you seem to be having your own issues, you're better off than we here in the US. Can your family join you there? I understand and sympathize with your concern about some family members.
I’ve encouraged them to consider it. At this point they may be more open to that.
Ditto here - two hours of shut eye was all I could get.
So what is it like living upstairs to a crack den? It is not fun living in one, I can tell you.
Same… it’s been riveting and heartbreaking as a Canadian watching and knowing this is very likely what’s coming for us. I’ve been framing this as Putin has finally won the Cold War for the USSR. What a long game. It’s very disturbing in ways most MAGAts will never understand.
... or two?
I will bunk.
Come to Vietbnam where democracy is flourishing.
I feel angst. I feel rage. I am terrified. What the fuck? The country voted for hate. The country voted to never vote again. People were so fucking stupid they voted against their own goddamned interests.
Schadenfreude with a side of "Told Ya."
Me too. Poor Ukraine.
Hold fast, the resistance begins today.
I feel absolutely sick for President Zelensky. After all he's done to try to save his people and it'll be like it's all been for nothing. Putin must be dancing.
I feel sick for us all. I dread the future. I pity the young most of all.
I totally agree with you 😢
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I know... Poor Ukraine...
Poor Gaza, too.
How much more can the Palestinians endure? IS the Israeli government going to "wipe Palestine off the map" as some military leaders are expressing as their wish/goal?
I'm afraid that is coming. The one big issue I couldn't stomach from Biden was his support for Israel. I have no quarrel with the people, juts their government. Although, like this shithole country, perhaps they also got the government they wanted.
It's a tragedy, but you and I can do nothing about it. How do you think Ukraine feels this morning? All that death and destruction for nothing when Russia takes over Ukraine.
Since Jared thinks Gaza is a perfect place for upscale beachfront villas, they'll give Netanyahu the green light for a complete ethnic cleansing.
Israel is protecting itself from terrorists. Do you not think they have the right to try and get back the Hostages? Over a thousand innocent people murdered, raped, tortured and kidnapped by the Palestinians. And the number that the Palestinians give for their "injured & dead" have NEVER been confirmed. It is only numbers given by the terrorists themselves
The resistance has been strong for years Doc, welcome!!
Yep.
Yes they voted for both hate, more importantly greed and lawlessness!
And misogyny
People have been voted against their own interests for years - just not this aggressively I'll submit.
True dat Let!!
We’re a nation of idiots and opportunists. The maga opportunists will insist on loyalty in the red states. You will see more fear because the people who could check him are afraid of him too. As evidenced by Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg. That’s the part that terrifies me.
Bozos and the owner of the LA Times saw the handwriting on the wall. Guarantee the other media owners will now line up to kiss the ring.
I've been thinking about this. About two weeks before the election all of a sudden the billionaires became all antsy and nervous. I'm not one for conspiracies but at the time I was like "what do they know"? Now I'm thinking there was something to it.
Both publishers have other business with the government and didn't want to let a less-profitable asset in their portfolios, a newspaper, get in the way of the real money to be made.
One issue voters sunk us.
And misogyny.
You’re are exactly correct!!
There's probably room for you Cajuns to come back to Acadian Canada . It's really nice along the coast . People are really nice , you can practice your French and check out your ancestors !! A little cold , but not to bad .😊😊
My son developed a motto in elementary school: "Mom, he said: some people are too stupid to live." At 52, he still embraces it!
I wonʻt be able to watch the news because I never want to hear his fʻing voice again or see his fʻing face again. I also wonʻt be able to read any mainstream media because they are complicit in this.
I may renew my subscription to The Week.
That is the only subscription we have.
They definitely have been complicit in normalizing all of the horrible things he says & does. They’ve assisted him to move the line of what is considered morally acceptable in a “leader” & in society at large.
I was so sure he was sundowning and we’d never hear from that MF again. Ugh. I won’t be going back to NYT and WaPo.
He is losing it, that’s clear. How fast is yet to be seen. His appearance on his way to vote showed him wiped out. Why was Melania wearing sunglasses indoors?
I'm not sure the project 2025 crowd won't hustle him away once he's inaugurated to a sanitorium somewhere & put JDipshit in charge, along with that other skipping dipshit. (JD is the choice of Musk and Thiel, so I'm thinking they're pretty much in charge.)
Trump will be history soon. They need to get him out of the way so the big boys can run the show.
More plastic surgery! Also how tacky is it for a sixty year old to have hair down to her tots? Oops tits.
Part of the "Trump woman" look that will come back - long hair down to the tits, tight dresses, trout lips, and, of course, heels so high you can't run from predators.
Substacks have actually been my news sources for several months now. (I also read "Raw Story", "Mother Jones", and "Daily Beast".)
Same! Late night comedians, this and some YouTube for me from now on.
I am afraid we are all on a watch list already.
The question is whether, as non-famous people, we'll be the first ones they round up, before they start going after the well-known critics.
Same here!!
same here
Here, here!!
Oddly enough, I'm feeling rather calm. It's going to be interesting to see if trump and his minions can put Project 2025 into action. After all, as Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
I wish I could believe that he won’t enact the appalling policies he’s promised us. I’m despondent. WTAF America?
I agree 😢
Don't be despondent. If his second term is anything like his term, he won't get anything done except corporate tax cuts. And that's standard Republican procedure anyway.
Hear you loud and clear.
Spot on. This is going to be a government of Musk and Peter Thiel, and they’ll get rid of Trump as soon as possible, as Vance is their puppet.
It'll either be the 25th Amendment or a "serious medical issue." Mark my words: he won't last the whole 4 years, and Vance is even more dangerous.
i agree
I figure they’ll just offer him a shit ton of money to “retire, due to health issues.” No one will ever know what health issue it is, he’s never released any of those records so far, he’s not going to start now.
Don’t forget the Christian Nationalists. They will get their axe in, too.
You are so right.
What difference does it make whether it's Trump or the people behind him? Shitty, hurtful, prejudiced policies effect people the same regardless of who enacts them. And I'm damn sure he'll sign awful legislation passed by the R controlled House and Senate.
You're right. Very good. All the dumb American's need that punch in the face. Still, will it work or are they too far gone already?
They are way way too far gone. They drank the Kool aid and they will never be ok again.
An acquaintance who was deeply angry about Biden's support for Netanyahu refused to consider that Trump would be worse. Her view, as a non-white, has been that maybe a Trump regime would show white people what it's been like for non-whites all these centuries. (Of course, she'll still get it worse.)
I get it. I’m an old white woman & I despise my govt (Not just Biden) providing so much unequivocal support for Israel. Obama warned them not to keep expanding their settlements onto Palestinian land, they did so anyway & there were no consequences; there are never any consequences for them breaking our laws or International law.
Why is that?
That is false. Read the history of Israel and the "Palestine" nomadic peoples. Israel was legally granted the land; but the Arab nations refused to grant Israel's existence and attacked Israel from day one in 1948. The land was the property of Israel; won fare and square after Israel had to go to war after the Yom Kipper War. READ!
Who made the rules “legally” granting the land to Israel? The people granting the land did not own the land. Please!!!!!!!! YOU read.
Dubious Jennifer!
while I still refuse to think consciously about the results in any detail, my mind is busy making lists in the background: books I need to find in electronic form so I can get them onto a server out of the country, deciding between Colorado and applying for Canadian citizenship, planning for the loss of all social services... maybe even restarting the book I worked on for several years that is set during the early years of the Texas Republic.
(Got to a point in research where I needed to hit up several TX libraries in person, whose collections aren't online and which all have early documents not available elsewhere. It's a novel that began when I was reading up on the Allen brothers, who founded Houston -- the first of many real estate developments on the spot; they named the settlement after the military hero who was the first President of the Republic and saved Texas from Santa Anna. And then, less than a year later, one of the two brothers died of malaria. Not much has changed.)
See? my mind appears to be nattering along on its own, coming up with all sorts of useful distractions. When I have to face the awful thing that's happening, don't know if or how I'll fall apart, but as Scarlett observed, tomorrow is another day.
I completely get it. ❤️
No offense, but what's interesting about watching that?
well, it is kind of interesting in the sense that we live in interesting times. Not mentally engaging and emotionally neutral, just unbelievably stupid and disastrous. Of all alternate realities, this may be the worst. With Republicans in charge, the earth's oceans will be dead in a few decades and most of the people will be, too.
"Not mentally engaging and emotionally neutral, just unbelievably stupid and disastrous." FOTF!! Except... it would be more funny if it weren't true.
absofuckinglutely
I might describe myself as calm right now. But, in reality, I’m functionally and emotionally numb. It’s more of a “calm” before my storm.
That’s where I am right now Marie. When I’m not actively crying, I’m just numb with disbelief, in abject despair; I don’t even have the wherewithal to get angry yet. Hopefully I can start pulling myself out of the depths of despair & get angry & ready to start the fight back by Friday.
One of the things I saw suggested, that I will do, it shift the money I was donating to campaigns, & give it to abortion access funds in FL & other states with strict bans.
Yes. We’ve been talking about that too. My husband has joined a group called Protect Democracy. Their goal is to prepare legal work to file lawsuits against anticipated Trump executive, orders on immigration, abortion, and anything they try. They’ve been working on this for a while. Not sure how their work compares to ACLU.
This probably goes without saying, but I'm totally down with Trump getting punched in the face. JDumbass too. Actually, I'm not sure there are any of the MAGAts I wouldn't like to include.
Hear you! Clearly!
My gut says the no porn part will be the breaking point for the knuckleheads who “like his policies”.
Made me smile. Thanks.
Mayhe be punched on the face to death. But JD will be worse unless they both get punched. HARD!
I’m wondering that as well.
And who's going to stop them? Trump controls the military. I doubt your gun collection can go up against our government. That's wishful thinking.
It seems that at least 100 million Americans will put up with it just fine.
I'm old enough to remember that during the Vietnam protests, the attitude of a whole lot, possibly the majority of people, was "Love it or Leave it." As long as Trump only punishes dissenters on issues where they agree with Trump, they'll go along, until there's an issue where they disagree with Trump, when it will be too late for them.
I haven't slept all night
I was up with a Democrats Abroad zoom group that started at Midnight CET, and went until 8 am. I did not last that long on the call, but did not sleep a restful sleep in the bits where I slept. I
It will be hardest for Biden to have created such a great economy only to know it will be totally destroyed quicker than you can say Jack Rabbit. Biden dared to undo Reaganomics and most of the US knows so little history, economic or otherwise they just could not see what we can see which is that it was great. Too bad. It is such a let down.
In the history books, if our planet survives this, what will they say?
George Carlin said the planet will be fine. It’s US, the people, who will be going away.
The planet needed plastic.
Without humans the planet might recover.
The ancient Roman may have asked, how did empire fail? And Hemingway’s classic line may apply to the Roman as it does today: “Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.” We may end, but history goes on.
They will do away with public education too so the history books will say whatever the extreme right wants them to say.
We'll have to rely on our friends in Canada and other countries to accurately chronicle events for future generations.
The history books written by true historians, will have accolades for Biden and curses for Trump. As someone said, wisely;when you put a clown in a palace you get a circus!
Veronica, I am going out on a limb here, and make the prediction that what the history books will say about Trump and JD Vance, who I predict will take over from him, is that these inexperienced and incompetent fascists led to the Fall of the American Empire.
How can any of us, knowing what comes next JENNIFER!
same for me....went to bed around 11ish, woke up around 1:30, looked at the results, and couldn't go back to sleep.....so MFKing appalling
Civil war has always been the Uber-wealthy plan, which side the military would take isn’t exactly clear though!! I find it’s probably best to leave, before the dictator for a day begins his retribution attack on civilians he finds not in his liking Anne!!
Awake all night- checking phone. The only good news for WI is Tammy Baldwin beat the California kid. Sitting in Philly airport at moment-flight back to RED WI! What the hell?
Tess, Baldwin winning but trump too? Nope, that does not compute! I don’t believe that WI went red and yet Baldwin won…demand challenges.
I’m here as well and very embarrassed to admit!! This shit state can go straight to hell!! I’m getting out of Wi. That’s for sure! This is maga central!
Safe travels.
I am too numb to cry. I suspect we just went through or last election - at lease in my lifetime. This is going to affect the whole world. I just can’t fathom this.
I'm grim and disgusted for what this is going to do to Americans, including the fools who voted for Trump, but it's a catastrophe for people in Gaza and Ukraine.
I fell asleep and woke up at 3 this morning only to find out democracy failed us 😡😞✌🏻💙🇺🇸
Democracy hasn't failed us...WE have failed us. We need to put our democracy back together. Means working in the background to do so...are we all ready to do this???
Yesterday was the last chance for democracy to survive. It's going to be a painful death, but it's done.
May you PLEASE be wrong!
I hope I am. But everything Trump stands for is anti-Democracy. And as soon as his head finally goes underwater in his dementia, Vance will take over and he will be worse.
:-(
I’ve been wanting to form a resistance army for months. Maybe years. It won’t be long before expressing dissent and disgust online will be dangerous. Old fashioned snail mail might be safest for awhile. Choose your pen pals carefully and try and form an army. That’s what I’m gonna try. I’m not rolling over to these fuckin sicko’s.
Excellent idea. How do we find pen pals without publicly revealing info about ourselves, though?
We start with a few people we know. Personal conversations. Exchange of ideas, sometimes snail mail addresses. Find out who’s willing to die fighting. Who’s willing to fight for real. I respect the choice of those who don’t want to, or are afraid to. But don’t waste your time and energy on them. Find the fighters. I’m one. I may not safely ever find you specifically, but networks can grow. I have relatives in other states I can count on. If we form the grassroots on the ground networks they will inevitably grow and connect. But also remember that compartmentalization is a good safety measure. For now. I look forward to the day when we all rise up and overrun the oligarchy. But we have a lot to do in order to be effective. It won’t be for the faint of heart.
I'm with you. I'm one, too. But I have to go and weep now. I thought the Blue Wave will wash us clean. But it has to be tears. In may case anyway. The tears will have to bring clarity and resolve, whatever that will come to mean. We will see.
In the 1760s and 70s they were called "Correspondence Committees"
The rise of an oligarchy in America, just like the robber barons back during the “golden age” is what brought us to this place. The people we have elected to represent us, Rs & Ds both guilty, gradually let their own greed sell us out to the wealthy & giant corps.
They kept getting their taxes cut again & again until a rate of 70% is now about 21 - 23% & they cheat using obscure tax rules to end up not even paying that. They have allowed companies to merge or buy out others with almost zero enforcement of anti-monopoly laws. So now they profit massively off the bounty of this country & its people, without contributing back in proportion. The super rich & big corps have done all this to the extreme detriment of the poor, the low-wage workers, & all the way up to the upper edge of the middle class.
We must demand better from those we elect to represent us in the Democratic Party. Money & greed have led us to this place, we have to correct that somehow.
Yes.
I went to sleep early last night, because although things weren’t looking great, I assumed that they wouldn’t be able to call the election for a few days at least. Woke up around 4:30 AM, found my phone to check the time, and saw the news alert that TFG had won.
I might never sleep again.
It was 2:30 am for me. I refused to watch any election results knowing that it would most likely be late. I woke up to many messages on my phone. I'm heartbroken for our country. I hurt for the women of reproductive age and for Ukraine.
Imagine a country where the polio virus has more right to life than schoolchildren or pregnant women. We can't stop fighting and resisting, in ways big and small.
And for all of the Palestinians who reside in Gaza & the West Bank; a Trump admin will care nothing for them. The Biden admin also failed them.
I crashed early and the last I looked I saw what I hoped was the red mirage. I woke up this morning, and had about the same reaction as you. What the absolute fuck!!! I am beyond depressed. I served this country for 5 years as a Navy Corpsman, and never thought this would happen here.
I am still not over the fact there was NO RED MIRAGE! last night... at least none I saw...
Same 😑
I went to bed at 2 and woke up before 7. It’s taken me this long ti check my email. And only did do that I could check for your newsletter. I’m absolutely despondent—bordering on catatonic. I honestly don’t know how we’ll recover from this.
Same here; have cried all day.
Making plans to bolt from the impending fuckery we’re about to experience in this country, you should to! Knowing that you are definitely have a target on your back… my think tank pals, of former defense contractors have similar thoughts for obvious reasons!
Same here.
Didn’t tfg tell us that “we don’t need your votes”?
What did Steve Bannon mean when he said, “We got this”?
nothing good, for sure
let's talk it out
Was it threats of violence that made those that would vote not go out and vote? Her numbers are lower than Biden's and it's the same fucking horrible candidate to vote against.
I too checked my phone at midnight and have been awake since.
I get to figure out what to tell my kids. "Look, they just hate women, ok?" What a dismal goddamn conversation.
Misogyny. That’s the only answer. This country is in for a world of hurt.
The world is in for a world of hurt.
I “liked” your comment, but like is the wrong word… I agree though
Ukraine, Palestine.
Those are just the start. Once it is demonstrated in Ukraine that the principle of respecting borders is gone and annexationist aggression will be rewarded, the post-WWII period of relative peace is over, and we return to a war of all against all, like in the early 20th century but with more destructive weaponry.
Baloney. Woman hating.
The world, as a being, is in serious trouble. Climate crisis = fake.
We are fucked.
💯🎯
Unfortunately, they hate everybody who is not like them. Every body. And they want to control every body.
Rev. Al Sharpton on MSNBC called both Latino and black men misogynists. Is even he right for a change, 🤦♂️
My take on the election: America bought itself a million dollar bag of hopium. Fantasy beats reality any old day. The big man told 'em, “Don't you worry now, I'll take care of everything." Ronald Reagan was a movie actor; Trump is better, he played a billionaire on TV.
Harris was way more popular than Biden..he won by almost 8 mil…yet all of the phenomenal enthusiasm for Harris resulted in fewer votes? Nope! Something is terribly wrong here and we should not let this go unchallenged!
I’ve been wracking my brain. All signs seemed to suggest landslide. All the women pissed off by Dobbs. New enthusiastic Gen Z voters. Huge crowds. Republicans jumping ship. For the life of me this doesn’t make sense. And I’ve had this calm sense all along that she would win.
Same here. It doesn't compute. And we knew that Putin and Musk had their hands in it and that there would be some underhanded shit going on. We have known since 2016 that people are being manipulated by Russian psyops via social media. The oligarchs that control the R party are not above messing with our elections, and they have access to whatever technology they need. But then, I had that feeling in 2000 and again in 2016, and here we are again, and it seems like we are powerless to address the underlying causes of this disaster. So depressing.
Did Elon use Starlink to erase data while they evacuated for bomb threats?
You're damned right this doesn't compute! I'm hoping that we'll see some very deep dives into all the election details once the novocaine wears off, our numbness fades, and our full rage blooms. We must get answers.
Yet 18m less voters. Something is fishy.
Yeah, I completely agree. It doesn't compute.
I totally agree. Is this the secret? Was DeJoy hiding mail ballots in his garage? I can't believe that many people didn't vote.
It doesn't make sense. Dumpty's small unenthusiastic attendance, no ground game, rambling insane speeches.
A terrific Democratic campaign.
Merrick Garland doing nothing for two years.
A convicted felon, not sentenced.
Stolen top secret documents dismissed by a hack judge.
SMH.
Hell, he might as well keep Garland ! He seems so pliable to me that he'd just do trump's bidding a la Bill Barr.
It really makes no sense. Not getting into conspiracy here, but I keep reading that women didn’t turn out and the Dem GOTV effort wasn’t strong enough. How is that possible? It doesn’t track with any of the info that we’ve been getting in any sphere.
Exactly. It makes no sense.
I’m 74, and in my long life I have never seen women support women. A lot did, but obviously many didn’t. Even Black men voted for Trump. That’s how much men fear strong women. I’m not surprised. Men stick together — the bro club. Women do not.
Trump told us he did not need votes. Most certainly Trump and his monsters did something sinister. With near unlimited funding from Putin and other autocrats, not to mention Elon Musk and his ilk, Trump ran a harder, smarter, and faster ground game than we did, but they kept it quiet. No doubt they cheated, threw votes away, sabotaged voting machines and the like. But we will find no fingerprints. We will lack the heart to fight back. And fighting back will be futile. Our only recourse is the Supreme Court -- and Trump owns that. Not to mention owning Congress as well. And, he has immunity -- as if he even needs it now. What we have left are words. And whatever material things we can hang onto in the long run and which we must share with one another as Trump comes for us, one enemy at a time.
I reviewed election results until 8pm PST, turned to a soothing rain app, and went to bed early. I woke-up early and mused over what a 2nd Trump presidency would mean-after all, he told everyone what he would do “from day one”. Imagined the dystopian wasteland awaiting us, the enthusiastic brownshirts enforcing his rules and tattling on their neighbors, the mad incarcerations, the camps, the devastated economic environment, the continued eroded government, unfettered racist law enforcement, no department of education, no EPA, dirtier air and water, toxic food and vegetables, and trump presiding as a figurehead for it all.
It took a while to push myself to go back to rest.
Finally went back to sleep, got-up to read a few postings, then numbness and crushing disappointment.
Moving forward to making exit plans.
The US will become exactly (and more than) what Project 2025 laid out.
I’m tired
I thought about this too. He got about 3M votes less than last time but Kamala got 15M less vote than Biden. Where’d they all go? Don’t want to be like the other side and declare fraud or conspiracy, but someone should explain why? Did they just not vote again? State laws changed and disenfranchised some people? Hard to believe this many people didn’t turn out again. I realize if was easier to vote in 2020 due to COVID but something’s not computing
I agree 💯
I agree
I heard someone say today that 18 million Democrats did not vote at all. What the hell? They are all crazy.
it's Musk's satellites
Liking your comment won't work, but I totally agree with you.
I think a lot of it is just ignorance. They're completely misinformed because he's been gaslighting them. The first thing he did in 2016 was teach them not to trust any media. So they reject facts and ignore what's happening around them.
Them not trusting any other media started long before Trump. Republicans have been priming their voters for 30+ years, with Fox Propaganda.
Trump just took the monster they created and turned it up way past stupid and angry.
I think that’s it too. The persiflage has been pulled on THICK these last 4 years. And an overwhelming number of people bought into FEAR. ☹️
Far too many hooked on FOX propaganda and have become fully brainwashed.
We need to start taxing the fucking churches.
And we need a movement of people like us who attend services and record any politicking from the pulpit. Though I doubt the IRS would do anything. Criticizing "religion" is the third rail.
Start burning them!
Damn right 🔥
That's it. They just hate women.
I think we're way past time for a Lysistrata type movement by women. Don't respect or like women? No sex for you. Especially useless bastards who are premature ejaculators (aka selfish), erectile dysfunction blue pill dependents, and generally cold, joyless fucks.
Take their little blue pills away and see how they like that 🎯✌🏻💙
I think they voted against women and people of color. Trump was the backlash against Obama. A woman of color in the WH is just a bridge too far.
FOR NOW.
Nearly as many white women as white men voted for trump, though.
Inexplicable
There are some (ok lots of) misogynists, but also:
racists, anti-“socialists”, anti-abortion voters, homophobes, xenophobes…
Lots of one issue voters that add up
(Did I mention the ones that want more tax cuts?)
Didn’t tfg say that he didn’t need votes? (This is a repost of my comment from a few minutes ago that seemed to disappear)
I guess we should never underestimate misogyny and racism. Also, many progressives were not voting or voting for 3rd party candidates as "punishment" to Biden/Harris for Gaza. Throwing out the baby with the bath water.
There are 13 million missing votes as far as I'm concerned and I'm not hearing ANYONE talk about voter suppression which has been the long game for GOP for decades. It's all in the numbers, not the percentages. 68m people are in alignment with truth and reconciliation, the same 72m as last time are not. Where are the 13 million Dem votes not counted since last election? We need to answer that question first. Second, my white women suburban voters...were you lying to pollsters and your friends when you said you were voting for Kamala and voted for your own privilege instead? Let's see those raw numbers, show me when Ann Selzer has been so wrong (and Trump knows she's the most reliable pollster in the country- he's happy but surprised that she was wrong and by a huge margin). Wtf. And, they can't do all that stuff on the ground without stepping over us first. Ghandi showed how it's done. Digging heels in, channeling my past life in the French resistance, developing my one liners to respond to anyone in any context defending family separation that they are morally bankrupt, but nicely like southern people say bless your heart. Taking stock of which family and friends are true and those who betrayed themselves as ok with the unnecessary suffering of others for their own comfort and benefit. Figuring out how I'm going to be useful in the public sphere when I can't physically go anywhere to rabble rouse. What I am noticing is that I don't see much gloating going on, so I suspect people know better, they aren't in a hurry to admit they don't care about the suffering of others if it interferes with their personal privilege. That's their problem to reconcile with their God and explain to their children. I'm not ceding any ground today about any mandate for destruction. I don't see the mandate, it's a GOP manufactured mirage.
You may not be going anywhere (and I appreciate you for it), but I am out of here as soon as I can manage. I am too old to fight anymore and do not want to die under Trump.
As am I . Where are you thinking of going to? I can go to Canada until I make up my mind. I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with this country but I cannot believe this election is on the level of.
Portugal appears to have the easiest conditions for a temporary visa, although you have to keep renewing it for 5 years before you are eligible for permanent status. I explored Portugal in January 2017 but decided to come home: it looked nice, and doable (English is commonly known in the cities; if you know any Romance languages you can read Portuguese well enough for signage and menus, although the spoken form is impenetrable; rents are low in the northern parts of the country although the south is pricier) but I didn't think Trump's first term was going to be quite as disastrous as it proved.
Europe won't be safe - Putin will overrun Ukraine and then start on the rest of the continent. There is nowhere safe to run.
Poland is not looking too good for 2025, either.
That's right. We are next.
He will take a while to get to Portugal though. I would be nervous about moving to Germany.
World War III. Trump will pull us out of NATO on his first day back in office.
Thank you. Is there an expat community already there? My daughter is Latina but speaks Spanish and has been learning French.
Portuguese is a difficult language even to listen to.
My daughter is in LA and she’s going through a frightening night after she saw TFG won.
Ireland is advertising, on different media. I think instagram is where I see it. But it’s expensive and it seems to me it’s not what I want although I always wanted to see Ireland. All the countries I’ve visited have all spoken different languages but they have English as a second language nowadays.
I’m very confused. 💔
The expat community is much more Brit than Yank, but yes it is fairly sizable. Portuguese is not as close to Spanish as you would think, at least in the spoken form, though I find the written form quite comprehensible.
Not to mention good people, food, prices and fabulous music Robert!!
I'd like to live in England for a few years (family heritage) even though I know they have their share of woes. At least I could soak up the rainy weather (love it) and the historic aspects. But it would burn through a lot of my retirement savings. Anyone ever do Trusted Housesitters?
I wish I could afford to go, too. Plus, who wants to accept crazy Americans?
I wish I could afford to go, too. Plus, who wants to accept crazy Americans?
Read you the first time....
I just don't understand the American people or the process. All I can come up with is that money matters more than freedom and that people are not ready for a woman president.
I do think also that the electoral maps have a huge part to play in this utter disaster.
I believe we need to go back to paper ballots and get rid of the rest. And we need to elect based on the popular vote.
Yes, please. And examine from all possible angles. Despair not. Breathe. I’m kind of talking to myself.
Good on you Pamela!!
I’m right there with you.
is it time for a revolution? what does that look like?
Bloody.
Jeff, I hope you have a Plan B. Love you, but now I'm worried about how much time is left for you to speak truth. I'm grieving for our country. I'm worried for the good people trying to keep America alive.
The fascists didn’t win anything but the booby prize. When the American experiment breaks down, we’ll have the last laugh through our tears. I’ll always be a member of the Resistance. It’s the least I can do.
Can't process this yet either. Still, so glad to see you this morning and to hear you are staying around. Love you Jeff.
Not much time for talking Jeff, action is necessary!
There is no action. Don't think for a second that Harris and the Dems will fight the election results the way Trump did. They don't have it in them. Instead, use your energy, skills, and resources to help each new group Trump targets. Think -- warm blankets, coats, food, batteries, generators, money, etc. Help the children who will be separated from parents. Help the ill and the old as they wil be vulnerable and will lose their Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. And buy guns and ammunition. The other side is already armed.
I have a full day of work and deadlines ahead of me, but my phone is blowing up. People are really distressed. My husband and I have already decided we’re moving out of Florida. I’m 66 years old and I didn’t think the end of my life would look like this.
We sold our place in FL last spring & returned to New England, where we have friends & neighbors who support democracy, don't hate women & can't stand Trump. Another plus is that we don't have to worry about our house being destroyed by a hurricane or the horrendous cost of homeowners insurance.
Good luck with your move. You won't regret it.
My wife and I live in Washington DC, which is overwhelmingly Democratic. We, too, have friends like you. We feel safe from Republicans here, although Congress has oversight of us. What we fear is that Trump has us in his crosshairs. He hates us. We don't know what to do.
I understand completely, but I won’t let Trump — or De Santis — move me from my lovely home in this dwindling blue oasis.
I sold my Florida house and live in Red Indiana now 🥺.
Just sold our home in Florida and moved back to my home state of Michigan. Maybe not as blue as it should be but my county went for Kamala so at least my neighbors aren't assholes. So glad to be outta Florida tho
Good for you! I am a native and life long resident of New Orleans...the place Jefferson called an island. We will remain the blue island in the sea of pathetic red that is Louisiana and fight the good fight!
Congratulations on a great decision. I moved out of Florida in 2019 because I got sick of seeing Confederate flags everywhere. I moved to the Buffalo area, and I am so much happier. It’s beautiful here, and there is so much to do. We have beaches, too, without hurricanes, sharks, red tide, and amoebas that swim up your youhoo. And New York just made reproductive rights a permanent part of our state constitution. Taxes are high, but housing is affordable. Please join us here.
And 10’ of snow
I live in Florida too. Where you going to go. It is like this nationwide.
I already live in the reddest red state of Arkansas and I can survive if I never mention politics. I'm 77 and not up to a move.
Yes, it is a nationwide problem even the blue states will not be safe.
I am 76 and made an investment to move to Vietnam!
I am envious and wish you many years of your best life there.
I am 74. I worked in the Harris Campaign as a support home for a staff member. I canvassed every weekend with another friend, also 74. I never imagined my so called golden years would be under a dictatorship.My heart is broken. Like Jeff, I feel betrayed by my fellow countrymen.
Ditto Tami!!
What happened to the crowds? The volunteers? The women supporting women and voting 10 points higher? How? Why? WTF? 😔
Years from now people will learn this election was the first successful trial of a new weapon that created a mirage of collective consciousness. Under its spell people saw record numbers of voters, enthusiastic crowds, adversaries crossing lines to save the country then POOF — the drug wore off, leaving scorched earth in its wake and a madman with an enemies list and a cadre of evil minions in charge.
The GOP and their Republican counterparts have been pushing this plan for decades, it’s finally happening Samantha. Our next move will determine the fate of democracy!
Jeff, I will continue to depend on your commentary. I’d rather watch the clown car through your lens than view it directly with my own eyes.
Jeff. You keep me balanced because you make me laugh and curse at it all . Thank you.. .from an old Southern lady who is a screaming liberal from the Sixties.
The same from an old Northern lady who is a proud screaming liberal from the Sixties!
Hugs and giggles.
Me too!
After getting only about 2 hours of sleep, I was watching my local morning news show to get the weather (Chicago here). I think it’s very telling that all 3 anchors and the meteorologist were all wearing head to toe black.
Project 2025 does away with the National Weather Service and NORAD. No one will know when a storm is headed their way. I read meteorologists are al scrambling to download data, etc. Nightmare is just beginning.
Yes, and my daughter who is a SpEd teacher will most likely lose her job.
The weather work will still go on, it will just have been sold off to an oligarch which will charge for the privilege of knowing when and where the storm will hit.
True dat Sheila!
Songgirl, I just turned the news on WGN…I had to see orange shit face but when they went back to the anchors, sure enough…they’re wearing black! Makes me feel good. We will be using our solidarity to refuse to cooperate.
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Songgirl, I’m in Chicago too. I couldn’t turn on the tv but I might take a peek now. WGN?
No, ABC channel 7. Terrell Brown, Val Warner, Tracy Chapman
Same on WGN!
Also in Chicago, but turned off TV around 5 after it was on all night. Going to check what our morning news folks are wearing now!
My local newscasters were wearing black as well.
So were 4 of the 5 ladies on The View
My profile is pure black.
My sister is a teacher. She texted me to say that a lot of teachers wore black today & there were many tears. I wore black as well. It will be my uniform fir awhile. Went to lunch with my bestie & she couldn't even talk about the election. And all I wanted to do was talk about it. At lunch, an older couple sat next to us & they were talking about the election. I wanted to move to their table so I could commiserate with them. They voted for Kamala. They said they survived Trump before, but weren't sure they could do it again. 🤔
I’m not watching anymore today
You know what I will watch today? Rosalind Russell in Auntie Mame!
“Life is a banquet, and most poor suckers are starving to death!”
Ah, yes. The sophisticated liberalism vs. the repressed conservatives.
Yes it is. It’s funny, touching, sweet, and life-affirming. Just what I need today.
I didn't watch news for three and a half months after the last trump election. When I wanted something "live" instead of canned, I became intimately familiar with the Weather Channel and QVC. And audiobooks in the car, or the vintage radio dramas on Sirius.
Here we go again.
I'm going to take a couple of years' hiatus from the TV box. Tune back in, in Summer of '26 maybe.
I gave up TV several years ago. Never missed it. 250 channels and nothing worth watching.
I am so ashamed of my fellow democrats. How the fucking fuck did 30 million of us decide not to fucking vote. They qte as responsible for this as much as the fucking bootlicker fascist fucks
Biden got 81 million votes in 2020. Trump got his same 71 million votes in 2024 but even without California’s votes Harris only had 66 million votes! So where did 10 million Democratic votes go?
Hmmm. I smell a very rotten rat
Smells like a coup. It's been in the works since Trump lost in 2020. I can't contemplate the consequences right now.
I think we need to check in with the Space Nazi. Something is amiss.
Musk bought Twitter two years ago (at a loss, which he's willingly sustained) and turned it into his personal oligarchic fascist mouthpiece to be a MAGA influencer. All the while, consulting with Putin.
And it's only going to get more stinky.
Check the homes and drawers of the Supreme Court justices!
Either 10 million people refused to vote for a woman. OR the right figured out a way to steal enough votes so trump would not lose the popular vote. You know how he hates being a loser. The inauguration will probably have record crowds too, either paid for or photoshopped. Lies and more lies
There we go. Must be misogyny then. Period.
Can't argue, it has to be a significant factor; as Holmes said, "Once you eliminate the impossible, what remains however improbable, must be the truth."
They ran an exemplary campaign.
But 30 million are not all males. That's the thing I don't understand.
Every accusation is a confession with Trump/MAGA. Remember how they just kept on about the election being rigged ? They were announcing what they were going to do, hence Bannon’s ‘we’ve got this’ comment. I believe it goes further and deeper than vote rigging. The global corporate media have just been too compliant and fast to celebrate this Trump return to office for comfort.
A terrible number. No way they all thought, "we've got this."
Unfortunately the Hispanic voted 14% higher this time around for Trump
Go figure!🤷♀️
Something feels very wrong
Hey Lorraine-I’m with you on that. It doesn’t make sense, unless people are more ignorant and depraved than I thought.
Unfortunately I think it’s the latter.
Me too. I spent 2 yrs in the midwest in the 60s and realised that there are 2 Americas.
People are more ignorant, depraved, mean, and stupid than we thought. I'm horrified, shocked and heartbroken. More determined than ever to get the hell out of Texas.
Looking at some place where a Dem won the Senate but Drumpf won? Naahhh. There is a lot to doubt here. Fishy Musk Fishy kind of doubt.
I’m in NC and that’s exactly the case; and just look what’s going on now!😡
I suspect that is what has happened. It’s hard as hell to think so many people are like that but it appears to be true.
I’m in shock. How could Harris’ campaign be so strong and then fail so horribly?
I need an explanation before I pack up and move. 😭
they are
Lorraine Morton - I agree with you. This doesn’t feel right to me. I have been up all night, unable to turn off my brain. I feel sick, angry and wondering if we can afford to move out of the country. We rely on social security that we earned and Medicare that we have been paying into for years. I don’t quite know what to do with myself. Topping it off is today is our 36th wedding anniversary and I do not feel like celebrating.
I can't image the horror when they do away with SS and Medicare. So much suffering, so much death.
More likely we’ll be shoved into “advantage plans” that don’t cover anything. Private companies managed health care. When SS runs out in 6 years or whatever, it’s gone.
And I just turned 65 😢
I wii keep working, & sell my house .
Are the Elon Musks of the world all banking on us seniors who rely on SS and Medicare being in a position that we have no other choice but to see our houses to them so we can make it through on the equity and when the equity is gone we live on the street? These are the scenarios my husband and I have been mulling over in the event the 🍊💩 got back in the WH. Shame on every trump voter, some of whom are family and friends!
I think so. For the first time I think I might have to sell my house and live off the equity. Seriously.
I can relate on your anniversary now being associated with a terrible day. We celebrated our 37th anniversary on Jan 6, 2021. Forever a day that will be a dark day in our country’s history just as this election will be a dark day.
A friend from high school has the birthday September 11. My sister has the birthday October 7. An online friend has the birthday November 5.
I was born July 4. It will never be a joyous day for me again.
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Well- Happy Anniversary… and we will all hang in there the best we can.
I will be 62 in May and was making plans to retire then; after 46 years in the workforce it would be nice to take it easy in the garden and do some traveling. Guess I'll be hunched over the company laptop in my basement "office" for a while yet.
My husband & I are on reliant on Social Security & Medicare as well. We might have to sell our house, but rent is a lot more than what we pay for our mortgage. We worked hard for many years to get to retirement. My husband is almost 76 & I am almost 68. I don't want to work. I have been working since I was 15. My husband worked for his dad as a young teen. Trump is unfit for office.
You are right.
Take a rain check. Do not sanotage your own happiness. .....
How did 60 percent of Latino voters go for him? He called them garbage and rapists
I wonder how they'll feel when the deportations start
I expect they're going to start with the Dreamers, because they know where those folks are and Miller's gang will all get stiffies from the cruelty of sending people back to countries they haven't seen since they were toddlers.
It’s why Orwell wrote Animal Farm. The formerly oppressed, when they get a bit of power, wield it to make sure they are no longer the oppressed, but in order to do that, you need someone new to oppress.
Second generation immigrants don’t want to be associated with newer immigrants and the problems (real or perceived) that they bring, so they turn on them.
Four feet good, two feet better.
Chris: 💯
Nancy: 💯
Very true and so sad!!
Grab them by the pussy should have been it in 2016.
Rump mocking a disabled reporter should have been it, too!!!!!
ABSOLUTELY.
The macho man thing?
And how many of their relatives and friends will be on the must be deported list??? 😡
The macho men would not vote for a woman …
How could so much of the electorate either be so ill-informed or just outright ignorant? It makes no sense.
There certainly are more conservatives in the center of the country. But there are still many that voted for him in GA, FL, TX, the Carolina’s, etc. Regardless, they didn’t elect some run-of-the-mill conservative candidate. There will very likely be real life consequences affecting a whole lot of these people. That point had been driven home for months yet it seemingly had no effect.
Let me guess you've lived on the coast all your life. Tbe middle of the country is completely different from the coasts.
In what sense?
way more conservative
I haven’t slept - my stomach is in a knot. I feel numb. America is so fucked. And the people who voted for this have no idea what’s about to happen to them.
I hope they suffer A LOT
We'll have to suffer, too. If it was only the idiots who voted for him that would be fine.
I know and I am very sorry for the good people who still live there. If you can I would leave
I’m researching that option and have my passport ready.
Go!
i can get a passport in about 4 days for about $668 but the thing is going to a country is not allowed to stay on a permanent basis. Just temporary.
unless once I get there, I can cozy up to the consulates office and plea with them in person, on site. Then the next step, finding an affordable place... oh my what a mess.
There are a lot of web sites about becoming an expat. Costa Rica is popular. Portugal is popular.
And I'm willing to suffer along just to see them get their due.
Yes, but fear we will suffer more even than them. This is going to be like Nazi Germany.
I've finally figured out that I've outlived my usefulness. Now I have to find a new home for my cats. It's been nice knowing everyone.
Hang in there. I know that’s easy to say but everyone is feeling so down… we need each other.
Yes we do.
I'm as good as dead. They consider me a parasite. It's more honorable to choose my own end.
I entirely understand this. I have a stash of pills set aside for that day if they ever find where I am hiding out and come for me over here. I wish you protection and light whatever you decide and the same for your furry friends and their new guardians. I would miss your kind online presence 🐈⬛
Stop. Become an expat in Costa Rica.
No passport, no Spanish. And they won't let me have one.
??? You dont need to speak Spanish if you research a strong expat community.
You are valuable Charles! Each of us is. No one is a parasite. We are living, breathing people who are currently very upset. Pls promise you won't act rashly.
I get it. But no. Permit me to say that you could not have outlived your usefulness. Rather, it's the idea of usefulness that needs to change. Into what? I'm not sure just yet. I'm letting my despair and dismay teach me something useful for a change.
Charles, NOO!! You are part of our tribe here! Hoping you weren't serious. We will figure out ways to exist within this and other communities. I would miss you. 👫👫👫. WE would miss you, your cats like you too!
Out of options.
Tomorrow is a new day. We will be beginning to work out ways to exist safely and help each other. It's scary, but we'll figure some things out.
I totally understand your position. I am close behind. A few more details to take care of. Have a safe and glorious journey!
Democracy has died today. I am beyond ashamed of my country.
I feel your angst.
A little over half of the voters decided to elect a party that would rather beat you down than lift you up. Where is there to go from here? We now fight to keep the ramparts from being breeched any further. Local, county, state elections are where we need to focus over these next four years. Turn them blue one by one.
I feel like someone has died. Just grief at so many Americans who are sexist, racist, selfish, greedy rubes. I thought amErica was better than that.
I live in Europe. I always thought of it as a temporary thing, but we will never come back to the USA now. We are elderly and the fascist shit won’t get fixed in our lifetimes. America is dead to me as well as the assholes that voted that deranged son of a bitch into office.
I was just talking with my friend who has several sorority sisters who have taken jobs in other parts of the world and they said they will not be back.
I went to bed last night before Wisconsin was called, but Georgia had been, and was I just sad that over half of Georgians are fine with denying medical care to pregnant women and letting them die if they have a complication. And apparently 55% of Texans are also fine with it.
Jeff, like you I went to sleep about 10 with a sinking feeling in my stomach. Woke up to this catastrophe. Misogyny is deep in this country…
They found the perfect way to "solve the immigration problem": become a country no one wants to live in. How did we manage to go from peace, love and brotherhood to full Fascist just in my lifetime?
I don’t think we ever had peace, love, and brotherhood.
May not have been a full-blown reality, but--we came close during the 1960s. It sort of dwindled each year after the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
Yep. Then MLK and RFK died and the music stopped.
You must have been there, too. Nobody who wasn't will ever understand the earth-shattering gravity of it all.
I think we always knew it. We just held out hope that we were wrong. The irony is that nothing really matters anymore because the plans of the new regime will doom the entire planet. I think we can all accept the fact that humans were not a great addition.